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flygal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 02:02 AM
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Where are all the hippies?!!
My husband and I were watching an old Cold Case where a bunch of hippies were aggressively protesting the Vietnam war. He said exactly what I was thinking "why aren't we doing that TODAY?!!? Where are all the hippies?"

I admit, it's almost like we want someone else to do our job. We send money to dem causes and vote. We have always felt like we do "silent protests" by making good decisions like buying blue. But, after seeing those hippies, we've got a hankering for a good anti-war protest. Unfortunately, when we go home this summer - we live overseas - it's to MT. Not exactly a hotbed of liberal activism.

So, am I a hypocrite if I don't act the part? I don't see us staging a 2-man anti-war protests in our small conservative town. So, to you guys doing all the work out there - can I cut you a check to cover your bus fare and lunch?
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rawtribe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 02:06 AM
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1. Frank Zappa on hippies-
What's there to live for?
Who needs the peace corps?

Think I'll just DROP OUT
I'll go to Frisco
Buy a wig & sleep
On Owsley's floor

Walked past the wig store
Danced at the Fillmore
I'm completely stoned
I'm hippy & I'm trippy
I'm a gypsy on my own
I'll stay a week & get the crabs &
Take a bus back home
I'm really just a phony
But forgive me
'Cause I'm stoned

Every town must have a place
Where phony hippies meet
Psychedelic dungeons
Popping up every street
GO TO SAN FRANCISCO

How I love ya, How I love ya
How I love ya, How I love ya Frisco!
How I love ya, How I love ya
How I love ya, How I love ya
Oh, my hair is getting good in the back! Every town must have a
place
Where phony hippies meet
Psychedelic dungeons
Popping up on every street
GO TO SAN FRANCISCO...

Hotcha!

First I'll buy some beads
And then perhaps a leather band
To go around my head
Some feathers and bells
And a book of Indian lure
I will ask the Chamber Of Commerce
How to get to Height Street
And smoke an awful lot of dope

I will wander around barefoot
I will have a psychedelic gleam in my eye at all times
I will love everyone
I will love the police as they kick the shit out of me on the
street
I will sleep...
I will, I will go to a house
That's, that's what I will do
I will go to a house
Where there's a rock roll band
'Cause the groups all live together
And I will join a rock & roll band
I will be their road manager
And I will stay there with them
And I will get the crabs
But I won't care
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 02:10 AM
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2. Beautiful!...
...Sweet, sweet words.
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rawtribe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 02:24 AM
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7. Frank could see
the selfish culture of the hippies, it grew into the greed is good philosophy of the eighties. Without the draft, the hippies would not have happened. I have no respect for the hippie movement.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 02:27 AM
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12. A lot of good came out of the 60s and the people who were true hippies
the hangers on and the people overly concerned about trends and style (which seems to drive a large chunk of the "anti-hippie" agitation that comes from some quarters and age demographics) were not the people who were driving that bus.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 04:13 AM
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29. except for excessive drug use, I love the hippies
in fact, in that regard, I am a (youngish) hippie. I believe in the peace and the love and in standing up to "the man", in wanting a creative, happy life, rather than being a "winner" in the rat race. I think alot of my friends in the Wisconsin food Co-ops were/are hippies, so I doubt that most of them became "yuppies" and/or sold out to the corporate world. Not the real ones, baby, not the real ones. They never were the majority though and the 80s was the backlash to the 60s and 70s, not their logical conclusion.
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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 04:28 AM
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30. You get it. It really has nothing to do with particular fashions, music,
etc. wanting a creative, happy life, rather than being a "winner" in the rat race

The dilemma for politic action, is that politics is very much a rat race.

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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 04:33 AM
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31. And wanting...
..."a creative, happy life" and being unconcerned with "being a 'winner' in the rat race" is not exclusively associated with being a "hippie." People were into those pursuits long before we had "hippies."

Seems like a lot of people in the United States confuse "hippie" with "bohemian."
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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 04:36 AM
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32. It's easy to misunderstand a group you are not part of.
Edited on Tue May-17-05 04:42 AM by cestpaspossible
Although maybe you understand it better than you are admitting to yourself... you did call all the folks you are so angry at 'hippie wannabes' -- maybe that's a clue that you realize they are just posers.

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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 04:49 AM
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33. true, I often hark back to the earlier "beatniks"
and I do love the "bohemian rhapsody" and would say that some of what I called "hippy" would also be straight from William Morris, and/or Thoreau and Fourier. I only consider the main thrust of hippiedom to be continuing that tradition.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 09:41 PM
Response to Reply #30
61. yes, bob marley
mentioned that - he even wrote a song about it. many of the young "hippies" now are into the reggae scene - and they ARE political.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 09:57 PM
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62. You know little
The main focus of the hippie movement was racism and equality in general. It started with Mario Salvio and college kids being able to dress as they wished and being treated equal and like adults and went on to burning bras and standing up to authority. The war was also a huge factor and the draft was quite instrumental but not the sole purpose for existence. Leary and his drug experiments which led to an awakening, also people were turning on to pot as well and realizing that the government had been telling bold faced lies. If they will LIE about something as simple as Pot they will LIE about anything. "Don't Trust Anyone Over Thirty" .."Tune In ,. Turn On,. Drop Out" The sixties brought about monumental change in America. You would never see a naked breast at the movie or on TV before 1965. Blacks could eat at the same restaurant as whites because of the efforts of white kids as well as black. Women were achieving tremendous inroads. Most Hippies were just college kids who cared about their country enough to do something about it. That is just not existent today. Today's kids are into Game Boys and Surviver just because they have advantages fought for during the sixties by those same hippies you disparage.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 09:58 PM
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63. The real hippies weren't hanging out on the street, they were
in the outback. They found an alternative and lived it. There's still some here in Ky. They dropped out of society and stayed out.

One is now a writer, another a sculptor. The sculptor's husband is a green architect. Still another is a woodworker/luthier.

they're still around, you just don't see them. Even if you do, they don't have a sign or symbol you can see.

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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 02:25 AM
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11. Yeah, well, Frank Zappa never moved me the way Jerry Garcia did.
Sorry.
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rawtribe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 02:31 AM
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14. Good music needs
no apologies. Frank and Jerry can both hold there own.

:hippie:
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 02:34 AM
Response to Reply #14
16. You'll get no argument from me there.
And they're both missed.
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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 06:32 AM
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37. I'll always regret missing that Chicago show where they double billed
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 08:57 PM
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56. meant this as a reply to the OP
Edited on Tue May-17-05 08:59 PM by ZombyWoof
Sorry.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 07:51 AM
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42. Very few "live and let live" subcultures survive.
It's also fallacious to characterize any group, loosely defined under one set of common criteria, as having attributes not among such criteria. Part of the problem is that the "hippies" were composed (according to changing criteria) of differing sets of people at different times. For example, the terms "flower children" and "hippie" do not identify the same group of people. Nor does the "drug culture" refer to either group. Often, such terms are "Trojan horse rhetoric," commonly used to describe one set of common attributes but hijacked for political purposes to allege the commonality of another attribute.

We see this equivocation all the time. While the term "women" can validly be used in its purely biological sense, it's often hijacked to allege a commonality of attributes not at all included in identifying the group in the first place.
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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 08:59 PM
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58. Excellent post
although I have the feeling it went over a lot of people's heads.

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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 02:18 AM
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3. I think you would see them...
...if it were the happenin' fad like it was when that film was shot.

As it is, all the self-proclaimed "hippies" are too busy following jam bands around and selling grilled cheese sandwiches to do anything about anyone who's actually dying. Besides, if Mom or Dad caught a glimpse of them on television at a protest, they would cut off the credit cards and trust fund.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 02:24 AM
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8. oh, BIOYA
I spent years going to Dead shows and I also managed to expend quite a bit of energy during the 80s doing things like protesting the CIA's involvement in Central America. Your snide generalizations notwithstanding, there are lots of people involved in that scene that are VERY conscious, active and aware, certainly a higher percentage than the general population at large.

Or perhaps you think you'll find more like-minded souls at a monster truck rally.
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 02:44 AM
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20. I doubt that...
...the folks at a monster truck would like me much. They wouldn't dig my views on religion, or the drug wars, or patriotism, or the mass media, or the way things are generally run in this country, or the mass of idiots who populate it, of which they are at the top of the heap.

But (like everyone else) what they wouldn't like most is my tendency to say something stinks when I smell horseshit. And that goes for patchouli as well as auto exhaust.

There are tons (an inordinate number for a town this size) of hippie wannabes in this town who have a long list of Phish and Panic and Dead shows to their name, and you never see any of these people at political events or volunteering to help in community affairs. Never. But, they can put a bumper sticker on their Saab, though, yes sir.

Decades of dealing with trustafarians has exhausted my patience for them.
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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 02:57 AM
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22. Well I guess you should just condemn those individuals then
and put away your broad brush, because you are also painting me, and I don't deserve it.

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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 04:50 PM
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44. Yeah, well, again, your generalizations are for crap, IMHO
But if it makes you feel superior to make big generalizations about "those" people, go ahead. But when you gripe about "Patchouli smelling like horseshit", my gut feeling is you're really bitching about styles of music, dress, and appearance that you, personally, don't like.. Which is fine, but..um.. kind of shallow.

Again, just my opinion.

For the record, I do wish some of the "newer" jam bands would take a more active tack in terms of speaking through the music to the collective heart of the crowd.. I'm not as familiar with the Phish and Panic and other jamband scenes (although I like a lot of their stuff) per se as I am older now and don't get to shows like I used to.. but my sense is, this is what is missing from the scene now that I, at least, used to get from the Dead... not so much clear cut political proseltyzing, but rather a direct message of community involvement and a sense of the interconnectedness of all of us- sort of, I can't screw my fellow man without screwing myself- that kind of thing. I'm not sure that's there anymore, and we all could use it I think.
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 05:10 PM
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48. Was that another 'yelp'?...
Edited on Tue May-17-05 05:22 PM by misanthrope
...Must have hit something.

Seriously, I can only base my attitude on the experiences I have had and they have been overwhelmingly negative. When I've worked in shelters and community organizations, I have NEVER seen those kids in there helping us.

In fact, they seem to be short on motivation to do anything that doesn't involve fun or pleasure. Maybe they feel that one summer they spent working at Yellowstone (after a season in Aspen to "find themselves") was enough. Or perhaps they're too busy pondering how many nosehairs were visible in Trey Anastasio's last press photo.

And the vast majority of them seem politically disconnected. They can spout the talking points and mantras, but when you ask them to explain their way through an issue or viewpoint, they don't know jack about it.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 05:56 PM
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52. No, Jack, you didn't hit anything...
It takes a lot more than some snotty would-be sophiste hippie basher to make me, as you so charmingly put it, "yelp".

If you're questioning my credentials, good for you- you win the "You've got a lotta nerve" Bob Dylan prize for the day. Like I said, I spent the 80s managing to both go to a lot of Dead shows AND being very active in organizations like CISPES. Went to jail for acts of civil disobedience, you know, because it was so fun and pleasurable. Put my fucking money where my mouth was and I still do, not that it's any business of yours. As if my integrity or commitment was really questionable because you don't like what I have in my CD changer.

But I'm glad you're so clear on precisely which kinds of people you feel yourself superior to.
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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 08:53 PM
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55. You tell em!!!!!!
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 11:52 PM
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65. thank you!
the contempt is thinly veiled, but it IS there, isn't it?
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nittygritty Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 06:16 PM
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53. "Was that another 'yelp'?......Must have hit something. "
Edited on Tue May-17-05 06:21 PM by nittygritty
Yeah, that was your ego you just stepped on.....it was hanging out of your ass and you tripped...

I'm one of those you are making generalizations about. I used to follow the Dead, and i've seen a few phish shows too. When I wasnt doing that I was working for Greenpeace, sleeping on radioactive desert at Nevada Test Site protests, canvassing door to door in lower-middle class and upper class neigborhoods for progressive/environmental causes, petitioning and registering voters at malls and post offices, feeding the homeless with Food Not Bombs.

Where were you?

oh, i forgot, you're a misanthrope...

maybe because nobody likes you either?
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 11:51 PM
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64. just shows how everyone's experience
is different. i've worked reggae shows as a volunteer and have seen the exact opposite. the kids work their asses off and they are AWARE.
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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 02:25 AM
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10. There's no draft
I mean be realistic, if there were, a bunch of those kids would be on the run in Canada, a bunch would be protesting, a bunch would be in Iraq, and a bunch would still be blissfully stoned out. It's not like human nature has changed in 40 years.

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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 02:20 AM
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4. Yeah OK, that will be 5 dollars if we show up
And twenty dollars if we don't.
If we sing it will be ten dollars plus the five dollars.
If we don't show up and we don't sing that will be twenty five dollars.
Don't ask us never to show up, you couldn't afford it!

(Thanx Marx Bros!)
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PA Mamma Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 02:21 AM
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5. This War Protester is up all night...
trying to catch up on e-mail and doing research. Just found a great site tonight: http://www.justicefornone.com/handbills/

I found others to join in our very conservative area, through Women in Black and Meetups. Small gatherings but we are there.

Hubby is sitting in chair right now, painting new signs for Memorial Day parade that we are probably going to be banned from being in ...

We will be "Poll Watchers" tomorrow and supporting our US Senatorial candidate who opposes the WAR !

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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 02:23 AM
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6. Here they are.
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JohnnyRingo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 02:24 AM
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9. I'm a hippy.....I wore a "peace medallion", had long hair.....
...and burned my draft card in the public square. (I forgot I needed it to buy beer.)

I'm older now and still have the long hair, but I find myself tired after going out for a few beers and some Buxh bashing at the local tavern tonight.

I guess the only thing that's changed is that I don't chant as much anymore.

The kids COULD take up the torch, however.
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 02:27 AM
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13. The heepies is smoking LSD out in front of the Avalon on Sutter & Van Ness
Edited on Tue May-17-05 02:39 AM by LaPera
:smoke:
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randr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 02:33 AM
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15. The hippie myth
The MSM loves to paint the 60's protests as some sort of hippie event. The fact is that protests occurred almost weekly across this nation. The people involved were mostly moms, dads, religious leaders, students, and concerned citizens: people who were simply appalled by the war in VN and the secret activities of our leaders. As the war went on many returning soldiers joined the ranks of protesters. The evening news and subsequent movies about the events always focused on the louder more vocal and colorful activities of the hippies. The hippies where more than likely to be at the front of the confrontation and had a more theatrical and symbolic approach to the situation.
The hippies were not, by any measure, the majority of protesters.
Still being one of those hippies, I ask:
"Where are all the moms, dads, religious leaders, students, and concerned citizens?"
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 02:40 AM
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18. Thank you for clearing that up.
I'm a bit tired of the misunderstanding that only hippies were anti-war.
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PA Mamma Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 02:43 AM
Response to Reply #15
19. Yeah where are all ...
the Moms ???

I mean it. Too comfortable?
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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 02:56 AM
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21. Very true.
Just look at the pics from protests back then... Kent State and such... those were students, not hippies.

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JohnnyRingo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 03:48 AM
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26. I think the conservatives did a fine job of rewriting history
...In an effort to ignore the fact that the war was opposed by as much as 75% of the total population.

Pres Ford didn't evacuate S Viet Nam just because of a few long haired protestors.

The current day republicans would have us believe Viet Nam was a wildly popular war, spoiled by the likes of Jane Fonda.
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 07:16 AM
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39. in fact, when Nixon saw the moms, dads, religious leaders,
students and concerned citizens, he knew it was over.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 02:35 AM
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17. Some of us are Here
Edited on Tue May-17-05 02:40 AM by AndyTiedye
a bunch of hippies were aggressively protesting the Vietnam war.

been there, done that, started protesting again as soon as Boosh**
started making bellicose noises at Iraq.

I seem to have made something of an impression on some folks
on the other side...
Not sure I can quite live up to it though.

The epicenter of the Left.
http://www.protestwarrior.com/gallery_gateway.php
http://www.protestwarrior.com/gallery.php?group=lefties&pic=2

That's where I grabbed my avatar from.


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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 05:42 AM
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34. Guys at work call me the old hippie, so I guess we're still around..
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 04:51 PM
Response to Reply #17
45. I was at that protest...
but that's not me.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 05:11 PM
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49. Of Course Not, That's Me!
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 05:48 PM
Response to Reply #49
50. Ah, cool!
Very cool.
:hippie:
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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 03:07 AM
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23. Death of Hippy: October 6, 1967
MEDIA CREATED THE HIPPIE WITH YOUR HUNGRY CONSENT. BE SOMEBODY. CAREERS ARE TO BE HAD FOR THE ENTERPRISING HIPPIE. The media cast nets, create bags for the identity-hungry to climb in. Your face on TV, your style immortalized without soul in the captions of the Chronicle. NBC says you exist, ergo I am. Narcicism, plebian vanity. The victim immortalized. Black power, its transcendant threat of white massacre the creation of media-whore obsequious bowers to the public mind which they recreate because they too have nothing to create and the reflections run in perpetual anal circuits and the FREE MAN vomits his images and laughs in the clouds because he is the great evader, the animal who haunts the jungles of image and sees no shadow, only the hunter's gun and knows sahib is too slow and he flexes his strong loins of FREE and is gone again from the nets. They fall on empty air and waft helplessly to the grass.

DEATH OF HIPPY END/FINISHED HIPPYEE GONE GOODBYE HEHPPEEEE DEATH DEATH HHIPPEE

death 1. the act or fact of dying; permanent ending of all life in a person, animal, or plant. 2. (D-), the personification of death, usually pictured as a skeleton in a black robe, holding a scythe. 3. the state of being dead. 4. any ending resembling dying: as, the death of fascism. 5. any condition or experience thought of as like dying or being dead: as, it was death for her to have to see him again. 6. the cause of death: as, the atomic bomb was death to thousands. 7. murder or bloodshed. 8. (Obs.), pestilence: as, the Black Death.

EXORCISE HAIGHT/ASHBURY CIRCLE THE HASBURY FREE THE BOUNDARIES OPEN EXORCISE

exorcise 1. to drive (a supposed evil spirit or spirits) out or away by ritual charms or incantation. 2. to summon or command (such a spirit or spirits) 3. to free from such a spirit or spirits.
YOU ARE FREE. WE ARE FREE. DO NOT BE RECREATED. BELIEVE ONLY YOUR OWN INCARNATE SPIRIT. Create, Be.....Do not be created. This is your land, your City. No one can portion it out to you. The H/Ashbury was portioned to us by Media-Police and the tourists came to the Zoo to see the captive animals and we growled fiercely behind the bars we accepted and now we are no longer hippies and never were and the City is ours to create from, and to be in. It is our tool, part of the first creation which the FREE MAN creates his new world from.

BIRTH OF FREE-MAN FREE SAN FRANCISCO INDEPENDENCE FREE AMERICANS BIRTH
birth 1. the act of bringing forth offspring. 2. a person or thing born or produced. 3. the act of being born; nativity. 4. descent or origin. 5. descent from nobility. 6. the beginning of anything as, the birth of a nation. 7. an inherited or natural inclination to act in certain ways: as, an actor by birth.

DO NOT BE BOUGHT WITH A PICTURE, A PHRASE,,,,DO NOT BE CAPTURED IN WORDS. THE CITY IS OURS. YOU ARE ARE ARE. TAKE WHAT IS YOURS.....TAKE WHAT IS YOURS

THE BOUNDARIES ARE DOWN SAN FRANCISCO IS FREE NOW FREE THE TRUTH IS OUT OUT OUT
truth 1. the quality or state of being true; specifically, a) formerly, loyalty; trustworthiness. b) sincerity; genuineness; honesty. c) the quality of being in accordance with experience, facts, or reality; conformity with fact. d) reality; actual experience. e) agreement with a standard, rule, etc.; correctness; accuracy. 2. that which is true; statement, etc., which accords with fact or reality. 3. an established or verified fact, principle, etc.

WE HOLD THESE TRUTHS TO BE SELF-EVIDENT, THAT ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.-That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.-That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Digger Free City News Sheet OCTOBER 6, 1967
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In_The_Wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 03:21 AM
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24. I'm here and ready to protest just as strongly as I did 35 years ago !
Edited on Tue May-17-05 04:01 AM by Joan_Alpern
Some of us old hippies are still working toward peace on earth and some of us are just returning to the fight for what we believe in after taking time away from the world's to raise families.

My community has never stopped doing protest against war. I live near Woodstock and most of us are a peaceful bunch :hippie: I don't need a check to go lend my voice to the growing population of people who want Peace On Earth just a road map.

Some of us old hippies became doctors, teachers, lawyers and such. The flower children of our youth grew up and now as we are growing older ~ we miss the Summer of Love. We miss the times when children played together instead of having gang wars.

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pursuivant Donating Member (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 03:26 AM
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25. They all turned into "me generation" repukes . . .
(e.g., Jerry Rubin), died (e.g., Abbey Hoffman) or cut their hair, bought a suit and tried to change the system from within (e.g., John Kerry).

I hate to bust your bubble, but Hippies are as dated as Suffragettes.

Kids these days work on a different model and find their own ways to be progressive and politically involved. Most college kids are too busy working 5 part-time jobs to pay their tuition/student loans to be wasting time on sit-ins. They also don't have a whole lot of tolerance for beards, beads and be-ins. They do things like Habitat for Humanity. They read and write blogs instead of mimeographed underground 'zines. But, give them a good reason to take to the streets (like the return of the draft) and you'll see that the children of the Boomers will do just as good a job of pissing off their parents as their parents did.

Don't feel guilty if standing on a street corner with a sign isn't your thing. Put up posters, leave out handbills, or just get involved with something in your community which you think will make a difference - Think Globally, Act Locally.
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pearl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 03:59 AM
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27. Yesterdays hippies are todays Activists
And we must Activate, Activate, Activate.
But activate smarter, wiser, more effectively.
Combine INTERNET activism with phone activism to
get folks out for street action.
Choose a focused action and go to it!

"Pray for the dead and fight like hell for the living"
Mother Jones

Carry on Friends.
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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 04:04 AM
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28. Wow, someone with the authority to speak for 'kids these days'
that is impressive.

At least you finished well.
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In_The_Wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 06:08 AM
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35. The Hippies of yesterday are also the Activist of today !
We still remember how to work and play nice together nicely for the same cause ~ regardless of personal differences ~ like age.:think:
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 06:10 AM
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36. Oh they're still around
And they're still protesting, at least in my area. Swing through Columbia Mo on Wednesdays and Saturdays, you can join one of our protests. And don't discount the power of two people. It only took two women doing a Women in Black protest in nearby dowtown red Fulton Mo to get quite a few people out and protesting. Sure, it might be a little lonely at first , but you'll soon get company.

Part of the problem is with the press. This time the antiwar movement has put literally millions on the street, yet they get discounted as merely thousands. In addition, many people seem to dislike the fact that ANSWER is coordinating national protests, whining about how it looks to have an openly communist group doing the protesting. Yet these self same people can't seem to come up with an alternative. Thus there is more whining and negativity.

So the protests are out there, but our bought and paid for whore media isn't reporting, thus it seems like nothing is happening. Dig a little more and you'll find it, even in Montana. And if it isn't in your home town, make it in your home town. Protesting isn't just a hippy thing friend, it is an American thing, and all Americans who oppose this illegal, immoral war should be out in the streets.
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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 06:48 AM
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38. although
United for Peace and Justice has put on the biggest protests. The protest in NYC during the RNC was one of the largest in American history.

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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 04:54 PM
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46. There are other issues with International ANSWER than communism
I'm not gonna get into all of them here.

But, their involvement didn't keep me from participating in anti-Iraq war activities. It's enough for me to say that they don't always speak for me, and I'm certain the reverse is true as well.
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 06:19 PM
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54. I've met a lot of grown-up hippies through the protests I have been to
in the last 2+ years. They are alive and well in the Houston area. I was born too late to be a hippie, but I enjoy the surge of energy at a good protest :hippie:
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movie_girl99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 07:25 AM
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40. i think about this too
we watched "The Weather Underground" a few weeks ago and i asked my husband why doesn't anyone do this stuff now. He said because I'd be thrown in jail and he'd be deported back to England. What would our kids do then? I too send money and write letters but have pretty much kept away from protests for fear of getting arrested because i tend to be a bit vitriolic. I love to watch movies from the peace movement era because i get so inspired but at the same time i feel a bit cowardice. Those people back then didn't seem to worry about consequences, they fought for their cause no matter what.
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triguy46 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 07:42 AM
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41. I think you may be painting with a broad brush
The term "hippies" is not all inclusive and it certainly does not capture all the diverse activist groups of the 60s. Take Kent State as an example. There were three protest groups, independent of each other, active on the day of the shootings by the national guard cowards: Free speech advocates, anti war protestors, and civil rights activists. From my direct experience, 'hippie' more accurately describes a drug oriented, passive, peaceful movement. Certainly there was interplay and some sharing of concerns, but there really were clearly identifiable differences in goals and methods of the groups.

So I would suggest, with this in mind, our quest be to find all these individual groups, all who surely have some significant issues with *. But as far as I can see, there is no anti war movement, if for no other reason that there are no daily protests, no civil unrest. I too wonder where we have all gone?
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hexola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 07:53 AM
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43. Amercian Youth is Dumber than ever...
Most teenagers are too stupid to understand the world...they become conformist college students, buy a house and an SUV and never complain. I doubt my teenage step-sons even know if there is war happening.

Todays hippies are as conformist as the other side...posers. Hippie-dom has become more a lifestyle choice - not a social statement...

They would probably just as happy to have more white, short-haired conservative idiots set to Iraq to stop bullets.

Jerry Garcia is Dead.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 05:04 PM
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47. Enjoying tenure or exploiting the labor of the younger people...
in their employ.

Oh...and losing their hair. HA!HA!
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 05:54 PM
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51. A friend of mine is keeping one in his attic
No fooling. She got tired of living at a Zen center and moved in with my friend.
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 08:58 PM
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57. They became yuppies in the 80's
They discovered they were just like their affluent, white, Republican suburban moms & dads after all.

Now they buy Rogaine in bulk at Costco and fret over their faltering 401k's.
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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 09:04 PM
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59. You can't shop at Costco or have a 401k and be a hippie?
I guess unless you're growning your own food on a commune and counting on dying before you turn 30, you're a poser... :eyes:

I'm so glad that's not really true. Now excuse me while I open this 256 ounce can of Beef-a-Reeno...

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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 09:04 PM
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60. They would be "Articial Hip-pies."
They are all 60.

Thank you. I'll be here all week.

Don't forget to tip your waiters.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 11:58 PM
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66. Well I've been wondering the same thing. Protests are picking up
someone to the last several that I have been to, but nothing like they used to be.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 12:12 AM
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67. Will Pitt posted about how all the activists are in their late 40's, 50's,
and 60's the other day. He noticed this phenomenon from his speaking engagements, I think.

As I recall he was really worried about what would happen to this country when these folks were gone.

I can't use search right now, but it was a good post, and relevant to this thread.

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