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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 10:24 AM Original message |
Is left intellectualism inherently authoritarian? |
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SteppingRazor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 10:30 AM Response to Original message |
1. But authoritarians aren't always secular |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 11:32 AM Response to Reply #1 |
7. I really can't speak regarding Iran |
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kittynboi (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 05:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
79. In fact... |
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Larkspur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
2. The extremes on both sides of the political spectrum end in Totalitarianis |
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Vladimir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 10:46 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Communism mutated into Stalinism in the Russian context |
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Larkspur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 12:49 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. You're right. I was just being general in my description |
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gorbal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 07:49 AM Response to Reply #9 |
43. Would you say socialism was on the rise again? |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 04:21 PM Response to Reply #2 |
11. That is rediculous. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 02:48 PM Response to Reply #11 |
67. Word! |
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rock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
3. no |
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Anarcho-Socialist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
5. Not inherently, no |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
6. all institutions will devolve into machines that grub for |
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bennywhale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
8. I think some of your argument is very perceptive "...this very rightness |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 04:12 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Perhaps the universities help with the sense of authority |
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Mairead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 04:31 PM Response to Original message |
12. "why has the left been the fertile soil for breeding tyrants" |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 04:33 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. As long as we have tyranny all philosophy will be twisted to it. |
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Mairead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 04:38 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Exactly. |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 04:42 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. I disagree on capitalism. |
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Mairead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 05:26 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. "The fundamental nature of capitalism is a system of exploitation" |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 05:41 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. Capital cannot be owned communally. |
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Mairead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 06:05 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. That sounds ideological rather than linguistic to me |
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aion (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 01:11 PM Response to Reply #21 |
54. I see nothing in Webster's that indicates your point of view. |
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GirlinContempt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 01:14 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. sorry to just jump in, but |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 06:15 PM Response to Reply #15 |
24. Utopian Philosphy = the Pied Piper |
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GirlinContempt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 01:09 PM Response to Reply #24 |
53. Untrue |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 03:24 PM Response to Reply #53 |
70. No ... it's NOT "the abolition of private property" |
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GirlinContempt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 03:28 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. I'm well aware |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 03:35 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. The point is ... |
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GirlinContempt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 04:07 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. The point is |
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murielkane (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
16. The left bears no "mysterious responsibility" for GWBush |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 01:50 AM Response to Reply #16 |
30. Excellent point |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
18. I don't think it is the "system" |
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HEIL PRESIDENT GOD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 05:30 PM Response to Original message |
19. The God part |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
20. The problem with knowledge in a diverse society |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 02:02 AM Response to Reply #20 |
32. So is the answer to force it? |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 02:22 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Discourse seems to be more alive in Europe |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 07:34 AM Response to Reply #34 |
42. Very much like in the english civil war |
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HEIL PRESIDENT GOD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 06:05 PM Response to Original message |
22. PS |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 01:35 AM Response to Reply #22 |
29. Oh its all about sides |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 10:01 AM Response to Reply #29 |
49. A lot of my views fit |
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HEIL PRESIDENT GOD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 02:29 PM Response to Reply #29 |
62. I'm not even accusing you of "freeping"! |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-05 06:24 PM Response to Original message |
25. Nope |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 01:09 AM Response to Original message |
26. "not tempered with humility to realize that judgment has limits..." |
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lostnfound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 01:16 AM Response to Original message |
27. Yes. Humility and balance are two important values to hold onto |
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kodi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 01:21 AM Response to Original message |
28. the arrogance of certainty has many homes. |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 01:58 AM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Its a bit more complex than just that |
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kodi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 03:04 AM Response to Reply #31 |
36. i find your comments remarkably obtuse |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 05:27 AM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Yet it isn't the certainty |
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kodi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 01:00 PM Response to Reply #39 |
52. as i said: "it is the arrogance that arises from investing in absolutes." |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 03:09 PM Response to Reply #52 |
68. As long as "those" |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 09:22 AM Response to Reply #36 |
45. I believe you may be misunderstanding |
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kodi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 01:29 PM Response to Reply #45 |
56. the issue's about authoritarianism on the left not decrying a queer nation |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 01:32 PM Response to Reply #36 |
57. Myth: Hitler was a leftist. |
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kodi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 01:59 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. billy, where'd you get the bizarre notion I thought Hitler was a leftist? |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 02:15 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. my bad, i'm such an idiot |
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funflower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 02:16 AM Response to Original message |
33. Thanks for interesting philosophical thread, everyone. Nominating. |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 02:30 AM Response to Original message |
35. ALL power structures are inherently nihilistic |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 03:39 AM Response to Original message |
37. you say "authoritarianism" |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 04:06 AM Response to Original message |
38. no, the right is and has a long history of it. |
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KG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 05:36 AM Response to Original message |
40. what i'm wondering about is |
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orpupilofnature57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 05:42 AM Response to Original message |
41. No, just misinterpreted as Elitists ,when it's Shrubs daddies ilk all along |
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greenpowered (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 08:40 AM Response to Reply #41 |
44. blind trust in government |
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orpupilofnature57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 02:47 PM Response to Reply #44 |
65. I love it !! Welcome greenpowered !! |
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Just Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 09:45 AM Response to Original message |
46. I feel compelled to challenge many of your assumptions and,... |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 09:59 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. As with the libertarian - authoritarian scale |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 12:53 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. "on the, left, there is plenty of ammunition." to fight the tyrants or |
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Just Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 01:40 PM Response to Reply #48 |
58. Do you acknowledge that intellectualism is a threat to tyranny? |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 05:34 PM Response to Reply #58 |
78. Threatening itself |
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Just Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 07:19 PM Response to Reply #78 |
82. Intellectualism is "thinking", without being stuck between any two points. |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-05 05:00 AM Response to Reply #82 |
85. You're right of course |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
47. There has to be some shared responsibility here...just can't understand |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
50. then jesus bares responsibility for our present condition? nt |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 02:48 PM Response to Reply #50 |
66. I come as the lion |
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amazona (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
61. no i haven't wondered about this because it's plain silly |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 02:38 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Well said. Though I would have added jaw dropping ridiculous. |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 02:44 PM Response to Original message |
64. What do you mean by "humble reference to divine authority" ???? |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 03:14 PM Response to Reply #64 |
69. wide brush for religion |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 03:28 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. Are you kidding? Where in the world do you get the idea |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 04:34 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. Well, there you have it. |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 04:55 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. the institutions have always stood in opposition to the enlightenment |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 06:20 PM Response to Reply #77 |
80. It might be interesting |
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Just Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 07:39 PM Response to Reply #80 |
83. Chicken/egg, yellow/blue, right/left,.... |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 04:51 PM Response to Reply #69 |
76. "Absolute good and evil have little to do with real religion." just real |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-05 06:50 PM Response to Original message |
81. The left authoritarian/libertarian split is 150 years old |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-05 03:49 AM Response to Original message |
84. Extremes on both sides don't think critically... |
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orpupilofnature57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-05 06:48 AM Response to Reply #84 |
86. Better than the Progressive,"Let's Get Along" whilst giving it to neo-con |
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