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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 08:06 PM
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Today's DARFUR posts: Getting Worse by the Minute
Edited on Tue May-24-05 08:49 PM by applegrove
Open Letter to President Bush on Darfur - 3/24/05 - posted by WesDem

Link to DU Thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3721673

National Leaders Release Open Letter to President Bush on Darfur
Tuesday May 24th, 2005 21:14.


Open Letter Signed by Scores of National Advocacy Groups, Members of Congress, Interfaith Leaders & Women's, Youth & Labor Organizations


Tuesday, May 24, 2005 (Washington, DC) -- Africa Action this morning hosted a media briefing, along with other national advocacy groups, to demand that President Bush take specific steps to stop the genocide in Darfur. The groups released an Open Letter to the President on Darfur, signed by 80 prominent national organizations and leadership figures, representing millions of Americans. The letter lays out the most important immediate steps that leading advocacy groups and leadership figures from across the U.S. believe the Bush Administration must take to stop the genocide & protect the people in Darfur.

At this morning's briefing, heads of leading advocacy organizations spoke about the urgency of the situation in Darfur and the necessary U.S. and international response. Salih Booker, Executive Director of Africa Action, said, "The President of the U.S. has recognized that genocide is occurring, but apparently there are more pressing matters requiring his attention. We must ask, what could possibly be more pressing than genocide? Unless there is an immediate international intervention in Darfur, up to a million people may be dead by the end of this year."

The Open Letter to the President on Darfur asserts the need for an urgent international intervention to support the African Union's mission in Darfur, in order to: (1) stop the killing and provide security for millions of internally displaced people (IDPs); (2) facilitate the urgent delivery of humanitarian assistance; (3) enforce the cease fire and provide a stable environment for meaningful peace talks to proceed; and (4) facilitate the voluntary return of IDPs to their land and the reconstruction of their homes by providing a secure environment.

The letter calls on the Bush Administration to (1) work through the United Nations (UN) to achieve a stronger civilian protection mandate for the African Union mission and for a broader international force, and (2) encourage the UN to quickly approve and assemble a robust international force to integrate or co-deploy with the African Union and reinforce its efforts.

-more-

http://www.sudantribune.com/article.php3?id_article=9745







Sudan-CIA relationship preventing intervention? posted by Terran1212

Link to DU Thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3722136


http://www.sudantribune.com/article.php3?id_article=9686

Excerpt:


John Whitehead of the Rutherford Institute reminds us that "eportedly, when President George W. Bush first read reports of former-President Clinton's indifference to the genocide that left roughly 800,000 dead in Rwanda, he scribbled 'not on my watch' in the margins."

Now, very much on his watch, to nurture his partnership with the genocidal government of Sudan, Bush has become an accomplice in that genocide by not mobilizing action against it.

Next week: unmistakable evidence that Sudan's equivalent of the CIA, the Mukhabarat, is indeed providing the CIA with exceptionally valuable information on terrorists' organizing, and their planned actions, against the United States. Can the Bush administration make a reasonable survival argument that for America's self-defense, it has no choice but to continue its "fruitful relationship" with this ruthless force of evil-even if more white-robed children, like those outside the school in Um Seifa, are raped and murdered?

I'll be very interested in your reactions.





Genocide Update: Sudanese Forces Arrest Hundreds Of War Refugees! posted by DistressedAmerican

Link to DU Thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3718634

Leave it the the BBC to keep up INTERESTED AND CARING Americans up to date!

They should get themselves some oil fields! Them we'd give a shit!

==================================================================

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4574919.stm

Sudan forces surround southerners

Rumours of forced resettlement prompted clashes last week
Sudanese security forces have arrested 250 people after surrounding an illegal shanty town full of southerners displaced by two decades of civil war.


Rumours of forced resettlement prompted clashes last week

Machine guns mounted on pick-up vehicles pointed at the ramshackle houses in Soba Aradi which is in a suburb of the capital, Khartoum.

Several lorry loads of men and women were beaten with sticks and then taken away to a local police station.

Last week, 14 policemen died during an attempt to resettle residents.

-More At The Link-





From DU thread Genocide update: "NATO on alert to provide help in Darfur" (Bush silent) : http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3692135

posted by Nothing Without Hope

(Repost halfway down yesterday's thread - and posted again by Nothing Without Hope)

These are the points that are off the top of my head. I invite you to discuss them and put forward your own:. I will number them to make them easier to refer to, but they are in no particular order. Please read them, think about them, put your own into play, and start the process that will lead to better understanding.



1) Donation/Charities: Which are the best places to donate? There needs to be a complete and efficient conduit to the people who need it most. This in turn requires not only a well-run and honest organization, but ACCESS and COMMUNICATION. I don't know what the various aid organizations are doing in this arena. We need to find out.


2) Legislation: Upthread I have given summaries of three bills and a resolution in the US Congress that are specifically directed at the Darfur situation http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3692135&mesg_id=3695339 - and both of the "Darfur Genocide Accountability" bills are still in play). We need a legal/legislative maven to look at these and give us advice on what are the most important provisions, what needs to be pushed, and how to push it. Even I can see significant differences between the Senate bill and the House one, with the latter being more powerful. There are also about 10 additional hits in Thomas on a search with "Darfur." That means that Darfur is mentioned somewhere in them, even though their titles don't seem directly related. We need to know what is going on with those - there may be sections that are important.


3) Political associations with Darfur: Upthread entries also deal with the unsavory interaction of the Bush Administration and the butchers responsible for the policies driving the killing. We need to understand this interaction fully and unmask the connections. If our own government is in fact promoting the power of the butchers, we need to know it and expose it for what it is.


4) Disinformation by the Bush Administration: The Bush Administration has misinformed the American public about important aspects of the Darfur situation, such as consistently giving mortality estimates that are far too low http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3692135&mesg_id=3695339 . They also have a relationship with a faction there that has primary responsibility for the genocide see the previous entry in this list). What other lies are they telling? And how are these being spread by the compliant news media?


5) Global response: How can the rest of the world best act to stop the horrors in Darfur? Specific requests have been made and some countries, like Canada, are already responding to them (Canada's response was described at the beginning of the first post). The US should not be a lone cowboy blundering around, we need to coordinate with other countries in a wise and well-planned way to alleviate the suffering and stop the horror. What should be the US priorities in dealing with Darfur? And how can we coordinate with other countries and with people within Darfur to best address this crisis?


6) Events and organized activism: There are sites with Darfur/Sudan-related events listed. We need to provide consistent and comprehensive links to such events. We also need to help spread the word on them through the media and blogs - one of our strengths. And we need to consider what forms of activism, with what specific target audiences and goals, we might initiate ourselves.


7) Reports and first-hand observation: To plan wisely, we must know what is going on in Darfur, a complex and ever-evolving situation. We need to find out sources for this information and organize a way to link to and report on it in a way that concerned but busy people can grasp and respond to appropriately.


8)Liaison/Cooperation among aid-giving organizations: What are the various Christian organizations doing in the Sudan? The Jewish? The Muslim? Other religious organizations? Other philanthropic organizations? The right and left hands need to know what each other is doing. This must be done in a way that reinforces the flow of aid into a smooth-flowing river, not a tangled miscellany of little rivulets. There needs to be a central place where all these good people can keep track of what is being done so that all needs are met without duplication or omission.


9) At Democratic Underground: On a much smaller but still important scale, we need to consider, with input from the admins at some point, how we can most efficiently organize here at DU to spread and maintain awareness of what needs to be done for the Darfur people and what can be done by the DU community. People here have good hearts but generally little time to try to figure out what they should do in a complex situation like this. Specific, practical goals need to be identified and plans made to facilitate reaching them. We all want to help the people of Darfur, but we need more practical and specific goals if we are to aim at them accurately and efficiently.

/

I invite you to discuss these points and put forward your own. I believe the format and size of DU as an activist community and communications network can make a significant contribution toward aiding the suffering people of Darfur, but we need to do some work to figure out exactly how we can best approach this.

I'm thinking that perhaps I should post this as a new thread later today. I think something like this needs to be done in order to facilitate discussion, taking care to cross-link to key posts within this thread and other info. This thread is getting pretty long for people with dialup modems anyway.









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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 08:11 PM
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1. How sad.
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culturalelite Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 08:19 PM
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3. why talk about anything else?
Darfur is genocide. Why isn't every democrat all of this? I wrote one of my senators (a democrat) and didn't even get a reply. Can this website mobilize support for action? Or is that impossible? What should we do?
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 08:26 PM
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4. Yes.
We recently watched Hotel Rwanda. Darfur is a repeat. The West is mostly ignoring it, although I understand that Jewish groups are actively helping out to end the genocide.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 08:22 AM
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31. Hi culturalelite!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 08:13 PM
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2. Looks Like You Got Me! Thanks!
Edited on Tue May-24-05 08:49 PM by DistressedAmerican
First time I saw it nothing showed up. Thought it was a comment on lack of interest in the story...

Thanks for highlighting it!!!
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 08:52 PM
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6. Yes I did that my mistake. I hope I didn't loose too many lookers. n/t
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 08:54 PM
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7. No Problem At All! I'll Keep Kicking It! Nomination As Well!
Wonderful of you to pull them together!!!
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 08:57 PM
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8. Nothing Without Hope is my leader - the credit goes to them! n/t
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 08:51 PM
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5. Anyone know a site that has a list of local vigils & demonstrations
so we can get some action going among DUers? Anyone come across something like that?
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 09:03 PM
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9. Questions #1 #3 & #4 - Some answers.
Edited on Tue May-24-05 09:08 PM by applegrove
Questions #1 on Donations/Charities: USAID has a spot on this page where you can find different types of humanitarian donors. Amnesty International, UNICEF are also standbys if you don't feel like going to the USAID.

http://www.usaid.gov/locations/sub-saharan_africa/sudan/darfur.html

Médecins Sans Frontières - Darfur Appeal

http://www.msf.org/countries/page.cfm?articleid=F7BA0C1E-2D03-4138-BC4961A902527911

Questions #3 & #4: Don't miss reading the Article on the Bush - CIA Relationship with local AU leaders. It is at the top of the thread.



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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 09:29 PM
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10. Question # 8
Perhaps we can brainstorm there? Number 8 is really important. I've posted the Latest News from SAVE DARFUR from American Jewish World Service (AJWS). Don't know who they are but they are working hard - but they'll let me download their news and Skinner says that is fine all the way around. I'll try and get a similar thing going with other groups.

But on #8 - I do think it is important that we somehow have a place as a clearing house for local events. So that we can cross lines and join up - and pressure the WH that way. On this issue.

Has anyone seen anyone who is doing this? Would be an enormous amount of work. Unless we can talk to others and agree on one site somewhere..where all disparate groups can sign in to promote their event. It is hard to ask DUers for action if we cannot say "ALL Chicago DUer Vigil tonight at such and such a place". The bigger the events..the more pressure. The more the ball rolls. Anyone seen such a spot - or is it just to huge to hope for?

Like the post says..we have to start crossing lines to get others to. And to scare the pants of the people in Khartoum.
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culturalelite Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 10:27 PM
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12. Agreed
#8 is very important. One questions though. You mentioned pressuring the WH, and I've noticed that the petitions I've seen are addressed to Bush. But should the pressure be applied only there, or on senators and congresspersons as well, or on the UN? Granted, the President is the one with the most authority here, but maybe he needs pressure from Congress. I don't know; just brainstorming. I think democratic senators and representatives need to stand up and lead on this issue instead of just reacting to Bush and the repugnant majority.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 11:12 PM
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13. oh - yes you are. Oh yes - by pressure I mean the pressure that
Edited on Tue May-24-05 11:28 PM by applegrove
would ensue by the simple participation of all religions and political animals in same demonstrations and vigils and the like. There is much coordination going on. But keeping people apart is the WH pass-time (so that is why i say Bush)..and it is bound to not make them happy (and that is what pressure is). I know people and groups have crossed lines already. But to encourage all of our DUers here to do it. To make the effort to cross a boundary and attend an event planed by a local church or committee or some such thing. We are a political lot. And I don't know.. If we had a list of the daily events for Darfur across North America.. would we pass that on to other sites to be posted? I don't know? That would have to be discussed. Maybe we could find an empty webpage somewhere and make such a link. You know get agents from the DU all over everywhere to scour the newspapers for events in their local areas and post it here. Kind of reverse things. So many people want to do something and there is something that could actually not take much time (except for the coordinator) but if made a commitment to - be quite powerful. For other groups to take and post on their sites aswell as the DU.

Just brainstorming!!

P.S. We are looking for someone to coordinate the legislative side. Any takers? :blush: Would just be to try to stay on top of legislative action on Darfur here at the DU. For a month or so to start out.

You know..sniff around a bit to all the Darfur sites and bring in any Actions you can find..for DUers to get with their reps and senators.

Maybe write a form letter of your own if you are up to it. Whatever makes sense to you?

Here is some information Nothing Without Hope put up on the legislative side of things:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3692135

If you want to take something on for a bit, a few hours a week, on organizing the legislative side - email her! She's done an awful lot lately.

Have a good night.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 09:37 PM
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11. UN Site Report 143: May 20
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 11:52 PM
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14. Thank you for this, applegrove! I caved in tonight and didn't get
so many things done. Going to have to get some rest. This is a great post!

Recommended
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 12:05 AM
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15. Thanks to you. Rest up. I'll try again tomorrow. You relax for a bit.
:hi:
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 12:33 AM
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16. I suggest NOT posting every day. The threads need to grow
Edited on Wed May-25-05 12:34 AM by Nothing Without Hope
and gain substance, or else later it will be too difficult to find all the information. Posting every few days to a week and growing the threads in the meantime should be often enough, I think.

The exception will be in asking specific questions. I didn't get a chance today to repost my list of questions as an independent post - and I still want to do that. Some of them need to be directed to specific groups within DU who can concentrate on the parts they know about best. I'm just too tired to do that right now. I'll try tomorrow.

Thank you for your hard work on this! :pals:
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 12:35 AM
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17. Okay - I'll look for news tomorrow. But the Big post needs to be the
best of the Darfur posts over a couple of days? Okay.



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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 12:42 AM
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18. Not just the best, there needs to be crossthreading done so that things
are not lost. The whole post doesn't have to be recopied, just an excerpt and a link should be enough. If the post is too big, people may not read it as readily.

(more of my unsolicited threadology)

Too many threads will get confusing and things will be lost. The trick is to keep continuity and interest - best with relatively few threads, each with its own clear theme if possible, in my opinion. And all cross-threaded for people who want the back story.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 12:47 AM
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19. Got ya. Though I think i'll post the 'latest news' thread at 6PM as long
as there is new news.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 12:53 AM
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20. That sounds good. And you can cross=thread both ways, so that
the latest news thead is mentioned in the big growing thread and the big growing thread is linked to in the LBN thread. So people will be able to get as much info as they want by tracing the links.

We've had too much lost information and disorganization - need to fix that while keeping up to date. What a challenge! I'm so glad you're doing this.

I'll post my list of questions out in the main forums tomorrow - try to get some response. The idea is for people to start focussing on answering specific questions and asking more questions that require knowledge, insight and experience. We have experts of all sorts, they should be able to sort this out much better than we've seen it done so far.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 01:00 AM
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21. Yes. I hope you get lots of responces. n/t
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 01:03 AM
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22. You don't have to link Latest news to anything. I just thought 6PM
Edited on Wed May-25-05 01:11 AM by applegrove
would be a good time to post an assortment of daily updates (if there are any).

Just post me if you want me to do something.

If you are having trouble with linking information in an organized fashion just say: look for the Darfur: Daily News thread at 6:30 PM. Just put it in in one line. Then people can search that if they want it. I'll call it the same thing every day.

That way not so much cross-linking. And if you really feel a story I have found is important..you can then cut it and past it to LBN. No need to link to Darfur: Daily News again.

Again - if you have those two threads ongoing.. then easier to just link to each other. And the Darfur: Daily News thread will just be there if people want to catch up in little ways from a variety of sources. I got onto a variety of sites and I think when you get lots of daily news from various sources it allows you to go deeper into the story. And see the differences in perspective as the story evolves.

Anyway - got to sleep.

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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 01:08 AM
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23. I agree - updates are important
The linking I refer to is just to include a link to a "resource thread" and a thread title in the opening post for people who want more info on Darfur. That way, if after reading the update they want to dig into the background and ramifications, they can go to a thread where some of it has already been done.

I'm just a big believer in keeping imporant related threads linked so people can find more info if they want it. All it takes is a link and a thread title and maybe an explanatory phrase if it isn't self-explanatory.

I hope I'm getting across what I want to say, which is very simple. If feels sort of like I'm harassing you or lecturing you, and I certainly don't want to do that even if I were some kind of expert.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 01:22 AM
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24. Not in the least. You've figured this out - I have not. Link however
it pleases you. I was just thinking that I didn't want to add more to what you (or I or anyone else does) in organizing the big thread and the LBN thread.

So I'll call in Darfur: Daily News, every day.

We can try tomorrow. Yes it is simple. And when you start something you have worked out the methodology and logic and reasons why. And I have not - so I'm asking questions and coming up with ideas and perhaps not listening to well. Your threads seem to always be on fire. I'm trying to watch what you are doing.

Don't worry about it. Like I said - pour it on. Anything.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 02:05 AM
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28. I've reposted the list of questions by itself in GD
here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3724411
Thread title: “STOPPING THE DARFUR GENOCIDE: We need ANSWERS to these QUESTIONS:”

I'm hoping that the DU community will respond and go after answers and/or better questions and then report back to the rest of us. If they don't, I'll break up the questions and ask them separately in the various specialist forums that seem appropraite.

Meanwhile, getting the latest news on this evolving situation is absolutely vital - so glad you'll be watching for it.
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oxbow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 01:23 AM
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25. now that the filibuster fight is over I can help
can't be the organizer on this, but I can put in time certainly. keep us updated on what's happening. I'll write my reps tomorrow, unless we are planning to make a form letter for everybody.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 01:28 AM
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26. What to do the legislative side? Do a little research as to what
Edited on Wed May-25-05 01:32 AM by applegrove
legislation is going on (we have it already) and promote legislative actions at the DU? Not too much work. It is all pretty coordinated? Actually there will be a discussion about that tomorrow. Watch for Nothing Without Hopes Brain-storming session. And find out then what people think the DU could do in that regard.

I you are interested - ask Nothing Without Hope. She's been coordinating and coming up with the format.


Here is a preview of tomorrows brainstorming questions (at the bottom of the grey box):

questions:http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3722708#3723973
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 02:12 AM
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29. Perhaps you might look over the list of questions posted here
and also separately in this new thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3724411
Thread title: “STOPPING THE DARFUR GENOCIDE: We need ANSWERS to these QUESTIONS:”
and see which of them most appeal to you as being important and something you would want to look into. The TRULY important questions may not even be on the list - I often reflect on how the best first question in any serious exploration is "What is the question?" You have to know a significant amount before the REAL questions become apparent.

In any case, I suggest working trough the long info/resource thread on Darfur that preceded the more recent ones:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3692135
Thread title: “Genocide update: "NATO on alert to provide help in Darfur" (Bush silent)”

This is a good starting place for getting some background and partial answers.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 01:31 AM
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27. kick &
thanks,
the * admin. is acting in it's typical evil fashion,
entertaining genocidal criminals in the "war on terror".
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savannahana Donating Member (491 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 02:53 AM
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30. kick, & thank you, applegrove
really fine, effective presentation :thumbsup:

(& i see i have more catching up to do, sadly...)

:kick:
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 07:36 PM
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32. Check out today's Darfur: Daily News for May 26, 2005
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