By the way, it's a war ON Iraq.

[Bouncy Ball]

Yes, it's also a war IN Iraq, but it's more accurate to say this is a war ON Iraq and it has been from the very beginning.

It was and still is an all out attack and invasion of a country with minuscule military power and that posed no threat to the US. The civilian casualties were and are of no consequence to the bush administration or any republicans. That has been made clear from the very beginning.

I hung my head in profound shame the day my country became the official aggressor, the Bad Guy. Oh I realize we've done some screwed up shit before that. But to my knowledge, we had never done anything this bald-faced, this completely unprovoked and craven.

I started to think about the everyday Germans, many years ago, who secretly found themselves thinking "Hey wait a second, what did Poland ever do to us???"

:-(

[GreenPartyVoter]

1. Yeah :^(

[lonestarnot]

31. Yep! :

[Hello_Kitty]

2. And it's not war WITH Iraq either

You hear that one a lot. As if an impoverished country was somehow on equal military footing with us.

[Bouncy Ball]

5. Right. It's CERTAINLY not that.

It's never ever BEEN a war WITH Iraq.

It's a war IN Iraq and it's a war ON Iraq, but with them? Huh-uh, I don't think so.

[fryguy]

12. just like Grenada

that overwhelming military victory of the gipper's

[Jacobin]

3. We did worse in Viet Nam

For trumped up, faked reasons.

This one is more clearly an oil grab. It is sick.

I actually thought I would hurl watching people in a bar on the night of Shock'NAwe(tm), cheering the blasts they saw on TV like it the fucking superbowl.

They aren't such chipper War Fans anymore.

[raccoon]

4. Subject for another thread entirely,

I've been wondering, what makes people such a-holes as to cheer something like that?

[Bouncy Ball]

6. You really wonder how sick you have to be, don't you?

I had neighbors who had a "Bomb Iraq Watching Party." Bring your own booze, let's party down and watch some Eye-Rack-Eees get blown to smithereens, yeeee ha!

:cry:

Meanwhile I was at home lighting a candle, praying to God to forgive my country and help the Iraqis and crying, thinking of Iraqi mothers and knowing they love their children as much as I love mine and didn't want to see them die.

[raccoon]

28. Oh, gag,

"Bomb Iraq Watching Party." I just don't understand the way some people think. Or don't think. I believe that a lot of Americans don't care how many Iraqi civilians die. Makes me wonder how they would feel if a bunch of young Chinese/Indian/whatever soldiers were in their neighborhood, shooting up their SUV just for the fun of it.

[tk2kewl]

19. I remember idiot college boys chanting USA-USA-USA

on the first night of the first Gulf War. It pissed me off in exactly the same way.

[killbotfactory]

7. It was a war to steal their oil and set up strategic bases

on their land. I guess Bush expects them to be so grateful for bringing them "freedom" that they'll just sit back and watch us give their oil to our oil companies while they recieve nothing.

[Bouncy Ball]

9. And it was never about THEIR freedom, either.

That was just a convenient excuse. Read the 1996 paper I gave a link to in my other thread about Robert Novak to see that it was NEVER about Iraqis. It was about regime change to destabilize the ME, grab the oil and establish bases there. Period.

[killbotfactory]

10. That's standard operating procedure for neocon's

Promote the "Noble Lie" to make the country feel good about itself, while acting on an amoral path that common folk are too stupid to realize the brilliance of.

[RebelOne]

8. I consider it an invasion on Iraq.

It couldn't even be considered a war at the beginning as the US was doing all the bombing and Iraq was barely fighting back.

[anarchy1999]

15. "ILLEGAL WAR, ACT OF AGRESSION" WAR CRIME!

n/t

[tabasco]

29. We lost the war the day it began ...

because there was no just cause.

The US also lost any moral authority it had had in the world.

It is funny watching Condi Rice going around the world preaching about democracy and human rights, when the US is now the worst transgressor against human rights. Absolutely disgusting.

[fryguy]

11. neither is it a war on terrorism

since terrorism is not a thing, it is a tactic or a means to an end. it will no more erradicate the world of terrorism than the war on crime has erradicated society of criminals.

[Bouncy Ball]

13. Kick for truth.

[Ms. Clio]

14. It's a war AGAINST Iraq

It was never anything more than naked imperial aggression.

[anarchy1999]

16. Just see Project for New American Century.

you know, the PNAC club and their vision for the 21st century, global dominance.

Doesn't seem to be going too terribly well.

[Frederik]

17. The PNACers blew it

They were supposed to rule the world by now. But their masters in Lockheed Martin and ExxonMobil are quite happy with their cash flow anyway. Never so bad that it isn't good for something.

[Ms. Clio]

26. Yeah, that's the blueprint

It may not be going well, but I don't think that's going to stop them from pressing on with their "freedom march."

[DrDebug]

30. It goes exactly according to the PNAC plan

The Project of a New American Century is a long term project and it is of no concern to them whether a part of the program is a partially failing, because the chaos is what they need to continue the other points of their plan.

The Project for the New American Century (PNAC) is a Washington-based think tank that was formed in 1997. Its goal is to establish the United States as "the new global leader" over all nations through military might if necessary, aggressively promoting the interests of the United States abroad, and dominating other countries socially, economically, and militarily.

The plan, as outlined in the PNAC document "Rebuilding America's Defenses", is to start with the invasion of Iraq, removal of Saddam Hussein as the first of several planned wars which would include attacks on Syria and Iran. The purpose of these wars is to demonstrate military might to intimidate other nations, at the same time permanently installing US military bases around the world to act as the global police, imposing and enforcing a law and order beneficial to the United States' interests.

PNAC was founded in part by Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Jeb Bush, Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz. Many other PNAC members were installed into the Bush Administration immediately following George W. Bush's inauguration, and were behind the aggressive push to war with Iraq -- a war that many of us still don't understand why Bush started, and a war that many Americans are misinformed about.

"Rebuilding America's Defenses" (a PNAC project paper) also described the need for a catastrophic event, such as a new "Pearl Harbor," in order for the described plans in the document to unfold at anything other than an undesirably slow pace.

The tragedy of September 11th gave them exactly what they needed to set the plan in motion (see LIHOP and MIHOP). Suddenly, claims were made by the Bush Administration about Saddam Hussein's menacing "stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction", unmanned aircraft capable of reaching the US with chemical or biological agents, nuclear weapons (WMD) programs, and a strong desire to attack the United States.

http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/PNAC

The PNAC is a smashing success for them. And we haven't even started on that agenda yet. These are just the initial stages!

Edit: Emphasis added

[Bouncy Ball]

20. ...

[nolabels]

24. It's a war against __________(fill in the blanks)

It's a war of initiative, they will duck and dodge blows during the push for it, but they still push it non the less. This is war for war with no precise and decided outcome. It's impossible to war your way into anything, let alone calling it a war for democracy and freedom.

These angry little children who have grown into adult bodies trying to show the world they know best despite the consequences of the actions. It's the root of the mentality you must discover, unearth and bare to the world that wonders why. Our world of logical progression has turned into a world of illogical aggression and all to merrily to gain the initiative.

Smack that misbehaving three year old, you will still wonder why you did or didn't in the long run, and it's more about you than the three year old

(file this under: Hasn't your husband done enough)
First lady urges action in Mideast

Tue May 24, 7:50 PM ET

SHANNON, Ireland (Reuters) - First lady Laura Bush said after a solo mission to the Middle East that the United States should move as quickly as possible to shore up the shaky Israeli-Palestinian peace process.

Laura Bush, returning to Washington after a five-day visit to the region, said Arab leaders had told her U.S. involvement was critical.

"The urgency they feel is because they think there's a chance right now," she told reporters aboard her plane.

"We need to seize this opportunity to move as quickly as we can possibly move to get this peace," she said.
(snip)
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050524/ts_nm/mideast_bush_laura_dc

[Ms. Clio]

27. "It's the root of the mentality you must discover . . . ."

unearth and bare to the world that wonders why. Our world of logical progression has turned into a world of illogical aggression and all to merrily to gain the initiative."

It's because they are Social Darwinists, although they claim not to believe in evolution. They believe they are the fittest, surviving and succeeding.

We are regressing to the 19th century at a positively phenomenal rate.

As for Laura, I find this ostensible sudden urgency to "make peace" after all these years of utter inaction totally laughable, and her language somewhat ominous?

[catzies]

18. I think about the "good Germans" too, and wonder who they are now

Because I'm afraid it is us. :cry:

[radwriter0555]

22. We are only the "good germans" if we don't raise our voices, join the

opposition and stop these mad-men....

[radwriter0555]

21. It's actually an unlawful genocidal attack on a defenseless nation in

order to murder, destroy, loot, pillage, steal and conquer their nation and everyone in it for profiteering and exploitation!

But semantics aside... let's just call it the invasion of Iraq by the New Americanazis lead by Herr Bush!

All Heil Bush!

[libodem]

23. I woke up to Paul Harvey

this morning saying that the women and children pose a great threat and that the citizens are the enemy. Where are all the flowers they were supposed to lay at our feet for 'rescuing' them from the torture and rape rooms.

[nolabels]

25. GOOD DAY

Afraid to live and afraid to die, such would be

http://www.antiwar.com/

Luka Lyrics
by Suzanne Vega


My name is Luka
I live on the second floor
I live upstairs from you
Yes I think you've seen me before
If you hear something late at night
Some kind of trouble. some kind of fight
Just don't ask me what it was
Just don't ask me what it was
Just don't ask me what it was
I think it's because I'm clumsy
I try not to talk too loud
Maybe it's because I'm crazy
I try not to act too proud
They only hit until you cry
And after that you don't ask why
You just don't argue anymore
You just don't argue anymore
You just don't argue anymore

Yes I think I'm okay
I walked into the door again
Well, if you ask that's what I'll say
And it's not your business anyway
I guess I'd like to be alone
With nothing broken, nothing thrown
Just don't ask me how I am
Just don't ask me how I am
(snip)
http://www.lyricsdomain.com/19/suzanne_vega/luka.html

[wtmusic]

32. People the world over were in that frame of mind, BB

on March 19, 2003.

I was walking around in a daze. I can't believe this is happening. :(