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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:02 AM
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Clark Supporters: AWESOME and Inspiring Story From Another Supporter
'Jane in DE' drove to NYC last night to meet Wesley Clark. Check out her inspiring report from the event:

<...>

The event was scheduled to arrive at 8:30, but I had heard that Clark wouldn’t arrive until closer to 9:45. So I thought I was arriving in plenty of time when I got to the home of Gail Furman at 8:30. I was shocked to see people lined up for half a city block to get inside. A few minutes after waiting in line, a gentleman came down the street advising people that if they had not RSVP’d, they would not be admitted due to fire codes. Luckily for me, I was one of the 250 people who had made the list.

<...>

I wish I had had a tape recorder to provide you with a transcript of Clark’s speech to the gathered crowd (I believe they easily exceeded the 250 person maximum; the crowd looked closer to 350 to me; we were literally packed in there shoulder to shoulder like sardines). Suffice to say that he spoke off the cuff for about 25 minutes, was highly engaging, articulate, persuasive, convincing, inspiring. Everything you might imagine that Clark is, he’s actual even more in person. He is the real deal. He has a commanding voice and presence, has eyes that never blink but just look right through you, has a helluva handshake, and works a crowd quite remarkably. And he really seems to be enjoying himself.

<...>

Clark spoke about the importance of teachers and a good education, of wellness minded (eat right, exercise) health plans to proactively fight off illnesses that strike later in life, of the need for social security in order to provide seniors with an opportunity to reinvent themselves and take chances in their lives (he half jokingly cited his own career as a military man turned business man turned politician as an example), of the pride he has for the military but then underscored that the military should only be used as a last resort. On this note, he talked about how important it is for the UN to have a role in foreign relations, especially given that the United States helped to create it. He talked about the rewards of serving your country (at which point he looked around, halted his speech for just a moment, and said like a father giving advice to a child “and by the way, many of you should consider serving in the military”) in the form of armed services, charity, or even teaching (interesting to note that before the Draft began, Clark had considered moving his career towards teaching). He talked about how it feels to contribute to the country, how that changes you, how that affects those around you.

A couple of times during his speech he turned unexpected interruptions into a moment of levity. The hostess’ home telephone rang while he spoke, and he paused and said “please tell President Putin that I’ll be right with him.” When a front row supporter asked about his plans for the environment, he said “I have a whole speech on the environment that I won’t give tonight, but did you know that while in the Army I helped to protect the desert turtle?” He went on to explain the true story, but interrupted himself and returned to his speech.

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When it got to be my turn to greet him, he was nice enough to sign my copy of Waging Modern Wars and exchange a pleasantry (admittedly, I froze up, a bit star struck, and couldn’t find the words that I had so diligently practiced in my head before the event). I noticed that as he took the book from me to sign, he stopped, looked square at me, and offered his hand as if to say “yeah, I’ll sign your book but first let’s be civil about this and shake hands.” As we spoke, two tall guys with thick accents rushed over to get his attention and one shouted, “General Clark, we are from Kosovo, from Pristina, and we were prisoners during the war. Now because of you, we are free, living here in America, in New York. We are so grateful to you.” I looked up and saw that the other man from Kosovo was crying. It was a stunning moment, straight from Hollywood. General Clark smiled, shook their hands warmly, walked over and spent several minutes with them.

As General Clark made his way to the door, he said something like “we’re still shaking hands, right?” and turned the corner and started to greet more people rather than exit behind his staff who had already made their way out to the street. I went outside, hoping to get a picture of him as he exited, but after waiting 30 minutes outside it became clear to me that he was going to be inside for a while longer. I don’t know how he managed to campaign in South Carolina all day then fly to NYC for three events and stay past his scheduled appearance time. It looks like he hasn’t lost the physical stamina he developed while in the military. If anything, he seems to become revved up by all the energy around him. You can see that he’s going to gain more and more momentum as he campaigns.

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http://wesleyclarkweblog.com/archives/000398.html#more

DTH
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:05 AM
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1. Beautiful report, DTH!
Thanks for posting!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:07 AM
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:13 AM
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5. Wesley Clark
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 10:14 AM by WilliamPitt
is officially a great white shark in this race. Methinks we all need to cowboy up and deal with this with our heads on straight and the core mission in mind.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:19 AM
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iambe Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:20 AM
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7. "cowboy up"
I just love that phrase. Hopefully most Democrats can keep our heads on straight, but some heads will continue to spin like Ragan in the Exorcist on DU...
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:22 AM
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9. Poor widdle Kewwy
He go by-by now.


Okay, I am giggling now, ;-)
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:29 AM
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15. Perhaps
but if Clark takes his place as the front-runner and kicks Bush ass, I will be happy as a pig in poop.

I think you missed the point a while back. Never mind.
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rustydad Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:24 PM
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62. Question for Will
Assuming that a democrat like Kerry, Clark, Dean may beat Bush do you think it is possible undo the damage Bush and Congress have laid on this nation? I can see how the environment can be saved but it is the financial damage that I see as possibly hopeless. I read Krugman and others and it seems like the massave dept on all fronts and the huge imbalance of payment dept are poised to push the nation into default and turn it into a banana republic. I see social services going down, safety nets failing, infrastructure crumbling, care for the elderly evaporating, and I wonder if it can be reversed by anyone. Thoughts? Bob
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:27 PM
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63. In a word: Yes
Our standing within the international community will be massively rehabilitated once Bush is out. You cannot possibly imagine the deep relieved exhalation that will come from the enture world when we trundle these fuckers out of Gore's house. Bush will have become, in his defeat, what he always said he was: A uniter. The world will be united in joy and relief.

Domestically, a massive revisitation of these deranged tax cuts will shore up the social services. Getting people to run the SEC who are not brazen criminals will rehabilitate the markets to a great degree, bringing in more tax revenue.

Yes, it is fixable. Eminently fixable.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 06:56 PM
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74. Clark has the potential to deliver a humiliating defeat to bush...
and see to it that that * stays next to his name along with another *, to indicate "indicted for treason."
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Sweetpea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:34 AM
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25. Core Mission being ousting Bush?
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:38 AM
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29. Affirmative
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Starpass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 08:31 PM
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81. I wonder if he will be attacked by the others at the next debate???
I hope they don't try to execute him and thus, blow their own foot off to boot.
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:09 AM
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3. Thanks for this.....
Keep the momentum.....

:kick:
DemEx
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flamingyouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:11 AM
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4. Great post - thanks!
I've been a die-hard Deanie, but I'm interested in Clark too. This sounds like a great event. Hope he comes to Seattle soon.
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:20 AM
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8. yesireebob
Bush is goiing down and here comes General Clark advising us all to eat well, excercize and consider the military as a career.

Surely the pertinent handle on the issues and the finger on the pulse to enflame the masses!
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:23 AM
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10. "eat well, excercize and consider the military as a career."
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 10:23 AM by WilliamPitt
Does this trenchant bit of flamebait have a point?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:24 AM
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11. We Have Alot of Master Baiters At This Site
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 10:25 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
It should be dubbed Onanism Underground....
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:27 AM
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14. Oooops, guess I didn't bow sufficiently low enough
to slobber over da Sir general's ring.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:29 AM
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:37 AM
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27. Be it as it may
He doesn't get a free ride or a free pass from me.

No way, no how.
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Sweetpea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:39 AM
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30. How in the heck did this become a flaming thread?
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:39 AM
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32. Three guesses
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Sweetpea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:41 AM
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37. Ok?
Freepers in the midst?

Jerks in the midst?

Bush is on line?
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janekat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:34 AM
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52. Let's not allow "dickwad" to hijack another thread....
we had a nice thread going and then the little "attention monger" CWebster comes along and manages to kill the thread AND get excessive attention.

Please folks - let's not allow this to keep on happening.

We are reinforcing "innappropriate" behavior. As long as we reward the behavior - it will keep on going on.

"In children with Oppositional Defiant Disorder (ODD), there is an ongoing pattern of uncooperative, defiant, and hostile behavior toward authority figures that seriously interferes with the youngster's day to day functioning......

"All children are oppositional from time to time, particularly when tired, hungry, stressed or upset. They may argue, talk back, disobey, and defy parents, teachers, and other adults. Oppositional behavior is often a normal part of development for two to three year olds and early adolescents. However, openly uncooperative and hostile behavior becomes a serious concern when it is so frequent and consistent that it stands out when compared with other children of the same age and developmental level...."

http://www.about-oppositional-defiant-disorder.com/
http://www.aacap.org/publications/factsfam/72.htm
http://www.focusonadd.com/focus.htm

Parents can help their child with ODD in the following ways:

Take a time-out or break if you are about to make the conflict with your child worse, not better.

Pick your battles. Since the child with ODD has trouble avoiding power struggles, prioritize.

Set up reasonable, age appropriate limits with consequences that can be enforced consistently.

Always build on the positives, give the child praise and positive reinforcement when he shows flexibility or cooperation.

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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:39 AM
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53. God forbid
we not talk back to our military superiors and authority figures! You must be de-programmed and re-educated to be good soldiers for the state! More fun than the grunts at the transportation pool!
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janekat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:04 PM
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56. It's fine to be a non-comformist and a rabble-rouser...
I'm one myself - so are many on this board.

It's one thing if you actually had anything concrete to say - if you have issues or at the very least a link to some info. In my admittedly short time on this board I have yet to see you offer anything of substance.

You only serve as an irritant and pest on this board.

I have come to the conclusion that your main objective here is to receive attention. You are the equivalent of a 3 year old child who interrupts "adults" by throwing a "temper tantrum."

With children like that you give them a "time out" or "ignore" them -using the principles of behavior modification.

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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:12 PM
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58. janekat
get used to it.

The world of politics does not function like the military...yet.
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iambe Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:41 AM
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35. Never mind that
He won't even get your consideration. You'd have to "stoop" to actually listening with an open mind.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:30 AM
Response to Reply #14
18. Good one!!
Better get a bib for that bile. :eyes:
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:31 AM
Response to Reply #14
23. Hate Is Corrosive....
It destroys the container well before it destroys the object......


<with love and kisses>


Brian
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 06:58 PM
Response to Reply #14
76. Try it. You might like it.
:P
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:26 AM
Response to Reply #8
13. YesireeCwebster....
this is how successful campaigners 'connect' with the 'people'....

:kick:



DemEx

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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:30 AM
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19. you mean
the sheeple, don't you?

Say, is that section on his website, you know, the one about where he stands on the issues...oh never mind what does it matter da General is mounting his horse.

;-) hehheh
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:34 AM
Response to Reply #19
26. Now Dem supporters are sheeple too.....
Are you at the right site?

:hi:

DemEx
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:37 AM
Response to Reply #19
28. Keep laughing
You'll need the entertainment.
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:49 AM
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41. Poor widdle Kewwy
He was a good Democrat, weally he was. He worked hard to fight for Democratic issues and sometimes he stood alone. But here comes Sir General and all the widdle boys swoon and eyes glaze over by da big GI Joe---Who cares what his politics are, he emerged fully clad from the brow of the DLC.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:51 AM
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44. Really, is this it? Is this your fastball? The best you can do?
Wow. How very, very sad.
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janekat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:11 AM
Response to Reply #19
51. I've posted several links to a "Wesley Clark Issues" site....
somehow I don't think that would make a damn bit of difference to you.

http://www.issues2000.org/Wesley_Clark.htm
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 07:01 PM
Response to Reply #19
77. Newsflash! We drafted Clark. He didn't draft us...
He's doing this for us, not for himself. Get it now?
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:31 AM
Response to Reply #8
22. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Somebody get me a Wambulance!
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:39 AM
Response to Reply #22
31. She's Going To Call You A Bully Boy
She attacks someone's candidate then when they respond she calls them a bullyboy...

It reminds me of the guy who kills his parents and then throws himself on the mercy of the court because he's an orphan....

Peace 03

Brian
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:40 AM
Response to Reply #31
34. *snarf*
:)
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pmbryant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:25 AM
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12. Thanks for this post
Nice report. I hope Clark will be coming to central Texas some time soon.

--Peter
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:29 AM
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16. May I ask
when do these posts get moved to Politics and Campaigns? Is there a reason that there's a forum designed for this kind of information? Why is it GDF fare?
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:31 AM
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20. There's a forum for that question.
Thataway...

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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:43 AM
Original message
yes, yet appropriate here
but thanks
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:31 AM
Response to Reply #16
21. There's a forum for that question
Thataway...

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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:45 AM
Response to Reply #21
40. You Know How People Post
ROTFLMAO and you don't know if they mean it literally or figuratively ... Well, I am literally rolling on the floor laughing my ass off....

I have been to the Yahoo stock boards, the AOL sports boards, and others but the flamers here could give them lessons...

Flameapalooza 2003

LMAO....
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iambe Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:32 AM
Response to Reply #16
24. I know, it's really annoying
to read about Democrats supporting a Democratic candidate.
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:40 AM
Response to Reply #24
33. You mean a
"Democratic candidate" don't you? Well, if you say so, but he sure had a hard time deciding.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:41 AM
Response to Reply #33
36. Does grasping at straws get boring?
Evidently not, it seems.
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Sweetpea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:43 AM
Response to Reply #36
38. So do you think you will support Kerry down to the wire?
Just curious...
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:50 AM
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42. Depends what 'Down to the wire' means
I'm in the curious position of being in Boston. Kerry will do very well in the NH primary, and will bury everyone in the MA primary, provided he is still in the race.

I stand up for Kerry the Whole Candidate, not Kerry the One-Vote Senator. Bury me for it if you will, but there it is.

As for supporting him down to the wire, yeah, he's got my vote. I think Clark's entry keeps Kerry very much in the race, as it elevates foreign policy experience (real or imagined...remember, this is the American media we're dealing with) to the fore. Pragmatically speaking, I think this leaves Dean on the outside...but his campaign is so badass that he probably will overcome that.

Kerry has my vote, but boy howdy, I like a lot of these guys.
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jumptheshadow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 08:13 PM
Response to Reply #42
79. Yes, I think Clark helps Kerry, too
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 08:14 PM by jumptheshadow
Clark's international experience, coupled with his military expertise, expands the focus of the primary campaign. This helps Kerry. He holds the international policy edge over Dean but also clearly trumps Clark in the domestic policy sphere. If Clark sticks his foot in his mouth and falters, then Kerry's candidacy is greatly enhanced.

By the way, the other winner here is Kucinich. He has interesting international ideas and will fare well in campaign debates sparked by Clark's intellect. I'm not saying he will get more votes, but he will gain more of a platform.

This is going to be one fascinating campaign...Clark has tremendous potential as a candidate and a leader but he's got to widen his horizons beyond that one speech he's been giving. He has to hire a crackerjack research staff and a couple of good writers. And he needs to cram a mountain of information into his head, analyze it and then articulate his conclusions. Think about a month's worth of mindnumbing study for final exams here. Of course, he'll be doing this while the RW is flogging him in the media...
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:52 AM
Response to Reply #38
45. I Like KerryToo
Ignored in the hoopela over Clark beating Bush in the latest CNN poll is that Kerry edges him too-48% - 47%....

I like any Dem who can beat * but my faves are Edwards, Clark, and Kerry in no particular order...


P.S. I like and respect all our other candidates too...

Peace 03

Brian
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:58 AM
Response to Reply #36
46. That was fun
And it gave y'all something to get fired about....seeing as there wasn't anything else to write the folks at home about.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:59 AM
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47. Wotta guy
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:02 AM
Response to Reply #47
48. gal
don't it just rock your world.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:04 AM
Response to Reply #48
50. Honestly? No.
Kinda...no...completely sad.
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Sweetpea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:03 AM
Response to Reply #47
49. I see...just plain old jerksville.
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janekat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:09 PM
Response to Reply #46
57. How DARE you say that to Willliam Pitt of all people....
You are NOT even deserving of 5 minutes of his time.... He has done more to advance our cause than probably ANYONE on this board.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:30 PM
Response to Reply #57
64. Gonna introduce you to my favorite DUer
He's this fellow named 'Ignored.' He pops up in all these candidate threads, and gets people nuts. For some reason, though, I can't read what 'Ignored' has to say. I get the sense that I'm the better for it. Get to know my good friend 'Ignored.' He's a righteous dude, or so I am told.

:)

P.S. Thanks.
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janekat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:42 PM
Response to Reply #64
66. Yes - but she manages to hijack entire threads CONSTANTLY
Stops them "dead" in the water. Unfortunately, not everyone has her on ignore. In addition - you have to read all of the responses to her. In my opinion - this is becoming a definite liability to this board. It serves to throw a "wet blanket" on people's enthusiasm.

Either this individual is merely an "attention-seeking" annoying pest who's purpose is to annoy OR they are a Freeper who is very effective at shutting down threads. In either case, IMHO, I personally am not willing to put up with it...

Mind you, I wouldn't mind if the person has something constructive to say, makes us think - but they are NOT doing this...
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:11 PM
Response to Reply #66
71. I'm just sayin'
You should meet my friend 'Ignored.' He has a great perspective on things, or so I am told.
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janekat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:15 PM
Response to Reply #71
72. This has gone WAY beyond the "ignore button" s/be banned n/t
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 08:40 PM
Response to Reply #72
82. Who the hell are you to waltz in here in dictate who should be banned?
And actually I take exception to your personal vendetta and continual harassment of me around the site. If you don't like what I say, don't listen, but who the hell are you to attempt to silence others? I don't know who you are, never interacted with you, don't believe I've ever addressed you or ever noticed one of your posts before. So it seems like you are the one in my face seeking attention, while I pretty much focus on Clark. So, don't take it personally, because I sure don't and I have seen hundreds of other candidate threads dragged through the mire. You are going to have to get used to it--it is the nature of the beast. Intimidation and obnoxious demands are becoming characteristic traits of Clark supporters- along with an intolerance to allow criticism -just another indication of the objectionable nature of the movement.
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phegger Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 07:53 PM
Response to Reply #66
78. why...
...engage these people? They're obviously not interested in any kind of constructive exchange. Let 'em spew and be done with it.

-ph :smoke:
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:44 AM
Response to Reply #24
39. DU: Forum: Politics and Campaigns
See it. Be it. Click it.

All this Deanie "we raised 4 million this month" should be down there too.

Truth be told, all candidate infighting threads should be there.
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iambe Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:51 AM
Response to Reply #39
43. Yes, it's your job
to herd all us sheeple. Good job.

Personally, I would also like to have positive threads like this posted in P&C. Then I wouldn't have to wade through all the "Clark is the inspiration for Jason in Friday the 13th" threads.
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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:52 AM
Response to Original message
54. Clark Supporters: Keep the Faith, Don't Let the Haters Get You Down!
The best thing you can do to shine a light in the darkness that has been the GD forum of late is to post up your positive Clark stories and news, IMO. Not only does it show people who are genuinely interested and open to Clark exactly WHY we are so excited about him, but it is also the finest, sweetest form of "revenge" on the ridiculous, rabid anti-Clarkers (they know who they are, and if you don't think that you are one, then I'm probably not referring to you).

I mean, look at their responses in this very thread, CLEARLY labeled "Clark Supporters," and see how ridiculous they are, see how much it marginalizes THEM to come in here and piss in the pool with such destructive negativity.

I think I'm going to label all of my pro-Clark threads in the future with the "Clark Supporters" label, it really demolishes any right the haters have to complain about us "invading" or "taking over" GD. If they don't like it, they certainly don't have to click on it.

DTH, Who Is EXCITED About Clark!
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:00 PM
Response to Reply #54
55. Typical clark supporters
in assuming they get the right to set the perimeters of DU. The authoritarian streak is characteristic.

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iambe Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:16 PM
Response to Reply #55
59. It's all part of another diabolical plan
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 06:45 PM
Response to Reply #59
73. Edited..
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 07:17 PM by Kahuna
Because the above poster was tombstoned. :shrug:
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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:17 PM
Response to Reply #55
60. You seem to have most of the posts on
this thread. Is it possible you are trying to be the authoritarian? I was actually reading this thread with enjoyment until you threw your damned monkey wrench into it. I am not a Clark supporter, by the way. I just made a mistake and looked at a thread that looked informative, but turned into crap because of one poster. My mistake. NEVER, EVER, AGAIN, EVER, read a candidate thread (advice to self) - they might start off good sometimes, but someone always causes a stink in them.
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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:22 PM
Response to Reply #60
61. Please Don't Let Them Get You Down
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 12:26 PM by DoveTurnedHawk
That's how they win, by polluting the debate and turning off loyal Democrats.

Personally, I am a huge advocate of the Ignore feature. Generally speaking, of course.

:evilgrin:

DTH
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Jackhammer Jesus Donating Member (415 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:36 PM
Response to Reply #55
65. It's hard work.
There are too many Clark threads and too few purveyors of anti-Clark negativity to go around. Not to fear, though, CWebster is working extra hard to rain on our parade.

And thoroughly wet we are, CWeb!

You stand as a shining beacon of inspiration for those who aspire to shove unfounded negative opinions down the throats of others who don't want to hear them.
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SaintLouisBlues Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:53 PM
Response to Original message
67. Ignore the axe-grinders
Been using the ignore feature for the first time and it is nice!

Let's try that button one more time...click... and now I feel like having a smoke.
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Myra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:59 PM
Response to Original message
68. Thank you for this posting DoveTurnedHawk
First person accounts are the most important.

:bounce:
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janekat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:03 PM
Response to Original message
69. How do we go about having someone banned???
How do we go about having someone banned? I saw that there is supposed to be an "alert the moderators" button - but I can't find it.

WHO IS WELCOME ON DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND, AND WHO IS NOT
We welcome Democrats of all stripes, along with other progressives who will work with us to achieve our shared goals.
People who repeatedly and willfully break the rules, or who generally engage in rude, antisocial behavior, will be banned. It doesn't matter if you are a progressive or a long-term member of this board.

PERSONAL ATTACKS, CIVILITY, AND RESPECT
The administrators of Democratic Underground are working to provide a place where progressives can share ideas and debate in an atmosphere of mutual respect. Despite our best efforts, many of our members often stray from this ideal and cheapen the quality of discourse for everyone else. Unfortunately, it is simply impossible to write a comprehensive set of rules forbidding every type of antisocial behavior. Every member of this community has a responsibility to participate in a respectful manner, and to help foster an atmosphere of thoughtful discussion. In this regard, we strongly advise that our members exercise a little common decency, rather than trying to parse the message board rules to figure out what type of antisocial behavior is not forbidden.

If you are going to disagree with someone, please stick to the message rather than the messenger. For example, if someone posts factually incorrect information, it is appropriate to say, "your facts are wrong," but it is not appropriate to say "you are a liar."
Please note that, strictly speaking, sweeping statements about entire groups of fellow progressives are not considered personal attacks. However, they are often inflammatory and counterproductive and the moderators have broad discretion to remove such posts in the interests of keeping the peace on the message board.

If you are the type of person who just can't get along with other people, and if you seem to repeatedly cause trouble, eventually we will decide that your presence is a disruption and we will ban you. It doesn't matter if you are a progressive or a long-term member of this board.
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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:08 PM
Response to Reply #69
70. As a Former Moderator
The best way to bring matters of concern to the Mods' attention is to find an objectionable post and hit Alert.

In my experience, the best way to bring matters of concern to the Administrators' attention is to post in Ask the Administrators forum.

That said, Admin does not approve of anyone "outing" anyone else publicly, or making public accusations of people being disruptors. Posts like those will typically be deleted quickly.

If you have a strong argument that a specific person is a disruptor, or is a returned bannee, I recommend PM'ing it to a Mod who you trust, who can then choose to post it in the Mod Forum for additional opinions if the argument looks credible. Alternatively, you can PM an Admin directly, but they are pretty busy.

DTH
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 06:57 PM
Response to Original message
75. imformative and helpful post.!! thanks for posting.
I don't understand why people flame rally report posts even if they don't support the candidate. :hi:
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 08:44 PM
Response to Reply #75
83. Unable to resist
witnessing the frenzied mob. ;-)
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Starpass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 08:14 PM
Response to Original message
80. Why does Clark make me horney?????
If a 58 year old broad can become horney, then you know you have a winner. Hubby would like a picture of Wes to wave in front of me.....damn Viagra thing must be kicking in again with him. Do not scoff. There's more than one way to win an errection..ahh election.
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