I just had a crazy thought

[OctOct1]

I do not post often, so please be gentle.

The German public was turned against the Jews thru a strong Propaganda campaign.
The Jews were the cause of all the grief and problems the German society was having. The angry German population, angered thru distorted propaganda, Helped the government take down the Jews.

Do ya know were I am going??

Liberals are also being blamed for all that is wrong.
Even for things we do not do.

Listen to any right wing talker and you will hear….
All that is good is republican and all that is bad is because of liberals.
Liberal ideas are bad for America.
Liberal policies hurt our country
Liberals are weak in protecting the country.
Liberals have hurt us, are Hurting us and if we do not stop them, they will destroy our fight for freedom around the world and destroy everything that is good.

I think, for the 1st time, I can truly say that I have a glimpse of understanding of what happen in Germany.
We leaned about it in school and shook our heads , unable to understand how people can turn on one another.
I think we are learning, first hand………

[knowbody0]

1. you are spot on

give the people someone to hate and blame. catapult the propoganda.

[Cleita]

2. Without a doubt, we are being targeted.

We can't let them take our rights from us like the Germans did from the Jews. They will try, but we have to fight back.

[bvar22]

28. They are ALREADY taking our rights!

*First Amendment Zones
(the Right to Free Speech and redress of grievances)

*ONLY Republican Party loyal members are ALLOWED ACCESS to bush* and Cheney* "public" events.

*Democrats are EXCLUDED from many House Conference Committees where legislation is written.

*There are Republican Party organizations to Watch, Observe, and eliminate Liberal college professors.

*Republican Party Policy is to eliminate K-Street Lobbying Firms that employ Democrats or Lobby Democrats.

*The RIGHTS of the MINORITY to filibuster is under attack (and really doesn't exist anymore).

*The Protection of Minorities ARE under attack and in some cases have been eliminated (Bans on Marriage for some minorities).

*Paid government spys were infiltrated into the PBS show "NOW with Bill Moyers" to report to the government his supposed liberal bias.

[BrendaStarr]

29. Absolutely

If we continue to spend all out time in our liberal message boards we will continue to be the target of all this.

The mixed message boards are full of the neocon rank and file making sure their twisted vision of life and history is getting out to the young people and anyone else online.

If we don't want this to continue and even increase then we need to be out there fighting for truth and our values.

The only thing needed for lies to prevail is for those who know the truth to hide in their own groups and not tell anyone else.

[Cleita]

33. Give me a couple of URLs of those boards.

I'm feeling the need to go into battle. :-)

[Wetzelbill]

3. you need to post more :)

[Lex]

7. That's what I was thinking.

That post is spot-on. Truly it is.

[Mythsaje]

4. They're going too far

and it's going to bite them in the ass like a raging pitbull.

[OctOct1]

5. Thank you for all

your kind remarks.
I think hearing tonight that the radio guy, I think his name is Savage?? Is sending a copy of his book "Liberalism is a mental disorder" to the troops for every listener that faxes him a receipt of their purchase..... thru me into a tizzy.
It it not bad enough that the troupes have Rush pumped into their heads daily?? UGH!!!

[driver8]

6. I have always said that we will be wearing an "L" on our clothing soon.

Nothing that these m-fers do would surprise me.

[Oversea Visitor]

8. I am going

to get myself DRUNK :crazy:

Bush Lie
Soldiers Die
NO soldiers should die for a Lie

Now go kick his ass and take US back from the hand of the Corporation.
Oh spank anyone that dont understand BY THE PEOPLE FOR THE PEOPLE

[Sugarbleus]

9. Yep, of course they STARTED with the poor, the disabled, then came

the dissenters, Jews and other so-called "worthless eaters". Finally, Liberals in general will get the coup degrace. Anything Renaissance/liberal in Germany 1930's...is now repeated in the USA in 2005

[NMMNG]

11. Bingo

They've already come for the poor, the gay, the immigrants, the non-Christians, the disabled.

now they're coming for the Liberals, who champion all of the above.

[earth mom]

15. They've already started going after the disabled...

look how they've covered up the autism epidemic while parents of these kids are forced to fight the school districts and insurance companies to help them get therapy/treatment for their kids! And what about the mentally ill? They're living on the street! How about seniors on limited incomes who have no choice but to use a good portion of their incomes for overpriced prescription meds!

Oh and to top it all: if you aren't a Christian you deserve all the bad stuff you get! They forget that their leader is forcing people down down down with outsourcing and the bankrupcy bill and on and on and on! And so now liberals are the "evildoers" while the rethugs are the ones responsible for KILLING thousands of people and believing it's justified! Bastards! :grr:

:rant:

[Sugarbleus]

17. Good rant...

Spot on.

[earth mom]

19. Thanks-it felt good! LOL!

:)

[converted_democrat]

10. I agree with you.

I want to believe that this could never happen in this country, but sometimes I wonder. I have begged my husband for the that month to start looking for another country to live in. He says I'm over reacting. Am I? I love my country, but I want my family to be safe.

[Raksha]

12. That's not so crazy.

I've been thinking along similar lines for months. You'd have to be deaf and blind not to know what's happening.

[DerekG]

13. I feel an Order 66 coming

For a safe and secure Empi...er, Republic, of course.

[Stand and Fight]

30. Shall the Order be for the Senators and Representatives in Congress? n/t

[smurfygirl]

14. I'm glad you brought this up

cause I know alot of us have been thinking the same thing for quite some time. Liberal is now a dirty word to some people. We are portrayed as the poison in the well. But we know these things are untruths. So, I guess my point is that we have to find a better way to get our message across. To unify it and to deliver it without bickering with the lizards on the right. They want to argue and control the debate. We have to stop stepping into their game. Such as the Rove comment. We are stepping right into it. It's just a distraction. If the right wanted to really do something about 911 they would have listened to Sibel Edmond. If they were really concerned we would have Bin Laden by now. We don't because, they have to have a boogey man. Without him, noone will stand behind them. And obviously, they are lossing control of the masses. Truth will always prevail. What we really need to concentrate on is to bring our message out in a way that they cannot try to distract. When one of us figures it out we will prosper as a country. They have literally torn our country apart. That's what they wanted. They are dismantling us from the inside out. Thay knew that was the only way to do it. Once people wake up to this possibility they naturally start seeking answers.

[Must_B_Free]

16. You JUST thought of that????

where have you been for all these years?

[bunkerbuster1]

24. chill.

we all can't be as enlightened as you.

[walldude]

18. Hell they are in high gear this week

We are scaring the crap out of them. At this point they will say anything no matter how outrageous. Rove says Libs are to blame for soldiers deaths. Wilson(R-S.C.) says Dems are having a guerrilla war with American troops. O'Rielly says Air America Hosts should be arrested, and that was just today! If a Dem has the gall to speak the truth he/she is eviscerated in the press to the point where they are expected to apologize. But when a neo-con lies his ass off it's a free pass with the press and a medal from the White House. I wonder when they are going to break out the re-education camps to teach us liberals to keep our mouths shut...

[cynatnite]

20. Sometimes it feels like their trying to cut down the herd n/t

[understandinglife]

21. Not crazy. Perhaps you've already read Haffner's "Defying Hitler" ...

... if not, I highly recommend it.


Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us - The only question, my fellow Americans, that you need to answer is: "When are you going to put Bush and the neoconsters in jail?"

[conflictgirl]

42. I second this recommendation.

That book made me understand how it happened in Germany - and showed me exactly why it can happen here. The lessons of history have not been learned.

[Pacifist Patriot]

22. I don't know. Sometimes I am disturbed by it, but at others

I can recognize that this is the same crap that has gone on throughout American history. I'm not excusing it as right, I just think it is politics as usual. The rancor and rhetoric between the parties is certainly nothing new.

I'm less concerned with liberals being scapegoated as a group that is more easily identified and categorized. Religion, skin color, ethnicity, etc.

The psychological aspect of the analogy is applicable but I'm more concerned with the fate of anyone who is not a white Christian male. And before I get flamed for that one, yes I do now the Democratic party has oodles of white Christian males within their ranks.

Overall, any time one group of people -- delineated by any sort of guidelines -- is inaccurately identified as a source of pain, nothing good can come of it.

[MadisonProgressive]

23. The jews were a minority - Liberals are a MAJORITY!

[bunkerbuster1]

25. Well, that's the main diff, but not as you meant it...

One's religious background really can't be erased; if you were Juden in Nazi-occupied Europe, you were doomed.

American liberals can always claim to be some other political stripe, most can get away with it.

Now gays, on the other hand--there's a much better analogy. Not perfect, but closer.

[cynatnite]

41. Do you realize how many Jews hid in plain sight?

So many denied they were Jews if they could get away with it and managed to surivive. They even hid in the military. It was much common than what most realize.

On edit: Anyone who was suspected of having any Jewish blood in them was at risk of going to concentration camps. Hitler was obsessed with this.

[bunkerbuster1]

44. I'm aware that many did, how many? no.

I don't know what percentage were successful.

Not a major point I'm trying to make here, but but I'm not sure that people are necessarily as unaware of this as you'd made out in your post, because of popular books like Art Speigleman's "Maus", which spends a great deal of time showing how Jews worked to conceal their identities.

BTW, for young readers, an illustrated book The Cats in Krasinsky Square focuses on that very thing as well--this book's about a young girl passing as a Polish gentile, living just outside the Warsaw ghetto walls, and risking her life to feed people inside the walls.

[cyberpj]

27. Not if the voting machines remain unchanged. VOTER VERIFIED PAPER BALLOTS!

Just had to get that one in there for Andy (for ALL of us).

I wish we were talking more about VVPB than what Dean or Rove said.

[yurbud]

43. a large part of the liberal majority don't know they are the majority yet

Hillbilly Hitler art:



Blog:

[bunkerbuster1]

26. Disorienting, isn't it?

I think most of us in here have had a similar moment of awful, painful revelation that America today could be at a similar moment in its history, when we could turn from an ostensibly representative democracy into something akin to Hitler's Germany.

There are many, many differences between then and now, but you're right. You've a glimpse of understanding of what happened there, and it isn't pretty.

[checks-n-balances]

31. It's not a crazy thought, it's nightmarish, but in tune with reality...

I've said to myself many times, "NOW I understand how Hitler was able to come to power!" And I'm not talking about concentration camps here; I'm talking about creeping fascism.

I think the main reason to cut us off at the knees is to DISCREDIT and DISEMPOWER us - to essentially render us voiceless.

Don't know sbout you, but sometimes I wish I didn't know all of this horrible stuff! But the alternative is to be blissfully ignorant or in complete denial. If those people ever come out of their psychological bubble, they are gonna feel SO shocked and betrayed! The ones who refuse to acknowledge the truth when all this stuff is played out are:

1. hopelessly brainwashed (or idolatrous or fundamentalist to the core) or COMPLETELY sheltered from hearing the truth
2. hopelessly selfish and evil
3. psychotic or sociopathic, or
4. simply not intelligent enough to connect the dots.

I hope & pray that the above goup of people shrinks in great numbers really soon!!

Just like the others in this thread have said, you should post more!

(Edited to correct spelling)

[checks-n-balances]

32. Great minds think alike - sometimes even on the same "greatest" page

This was posted earlier:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3936602#3938429

[Javaman]

34. I've had run ins in the past with RW morons that rail against me...

I have a simple yet effective argument.

They blather on and on, I don't loose my cool.

I say to them do you work an 8 hour day? (this usually catches them off guard)

they usually say yes, then I say it would suck to work a 12 or 15 hour day 6 days a week right?

once again, they are still confused, but still answer yes.

Then I say, you can thank a Liberal Democrat for that. I smile and walk away.

One could go into all sorts of things to prove them wrong, but when you use an example that directly effects them on a daily basis, they have no argument.

the best response I have gotten to that little thing was the classic Fuck you, which I reply, How chaney of you. :)

[Lisa0825]

35. BRAVO!!!

And a belated Welcome to DU!!! :hi:

[Stand and Fight]

36. The truth hurts... alot. n/t

[Pockets]

37. Might sound trite, but another example of

Discrimination takes places when people call into conservative talk shows, then they are DEMANDED to identify themselves if they are liberal. The caller typically delays before responding, then the host reacts by saying "why are you ashamed of being a liberal?" when in fact the caller's jaw probably has just dropped to the floor due to the Nazi intimidation tactic. Of course by being able to do this over the public airwaves it creates a precedent for every day life.

[nicknameless]

38. There is a difference, thankfully.

And that is that the Jews were a relatively small segment of the population that was scapegoated while there was a promise for betterment of the lives of the majority of Germans.

In this case, the betterment is only for the ultra-wealthy and powerful (and morally-bankrupt). The VAST majority of Americans are suffering under the Bush cabal. We're seeing the ruination of our economy, the disappearance of financial security in our future, the deaths of thousands of our kids in uniform, the despoiling of our environment (which will result in spiraling health-care costs, not to mention the loss of livability and beauty in this country), the loss of jobs (and dignity), etc. ad nauseam.

I don't think it was a fluke that Green Day's "American Idiot" was so popular. People are waking up in greater numbers than the corporate media polls would have us think.

Would the NeoCons like to have all liberals hauled off in chains (a la O'Reilly's command)? Probably so. But wouldn't they eventually find themselves trying to haul off 80% of the population?

I think the NeoCons aren't promising a brighter future to enough people to pull off the full Nazi plan.

That's how I see it, anyway.

[friesianrider]

39. Of course...

I took an intensive course on the lead-up to Nazi Germany, and the similarities were astonishing. Literally, I said to my professor, "it is like Karl Rove has studied what happened in Germany, and is replicating it precisely." He agreed.It is very frightening to think of the path we are headed down.

[Warren DeMontague]

40. Go through any of Ann Coulter's books, or Michael Savage's rants..

replace "Liberal" with "Jew".

Bingo, instant Nazi. Pretty much indistinguishable.

[ngGale]

45. You are correct, they are using propaganda in the ...

same way to sway the masses. :scared: