Christians plan Exodus to So. Carolina - Secession "is a valid option"

[cyberpj]

The Southern Nationalist
Southern, Christian, Paleo-Conservative, Strict Constitutionalist

Christian Exodus Statement of Intent:

ChristianExodus.org is an association of Christians who no longer wish to live under the unjust usurpation of powers by the federal government, and therefore resolves to formally disassociate itself from this tyrannical authority, and return to the model of governance of a constitutional republic. We seek a republican government constrained by constitutionally delegated powers. If this cannot be achieved within the United States, then we believe a peaceful withdrawal from the union to be the last available remedy.

Cont'd... and you've just got to see this -
http://www.southernnationalist.org/christian_exodus_intent.htm
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WELCOME TO THE CHRISTIAN EXODUS

ChristianExodus.org is moving thousands of Christians to South Carolina to reestablish constitutionally limited government founded upon Christian principles. This includes the return to South Carolina of all "powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States." 1 It is evident that the U.S. Constitution has been abandoned under our current federal system, and the efforts of Christian activism to restore our Godly republic have proven futile over the past three decades. The time has come for Christian Constitutionalists to protect our American principles in a State like South Carolina by interposing the State's sovereign authority retained under the 10th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

http://www.christianexodus.org/
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Their aim: to tip the political scales, which they see as already weighted heavily to the right, further in that direction.

Secession "is a valid option," said Janoski, a "state coordinator" for the organization -- but he hopes it doesn't come to that.

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[RPM]

1. done

[WCGreen]

2. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.....

[murielm99]

3. LOL, you beat me to it.

Buh-bye fundie cretins!

:hi:

[barb162]

15. me too n/t

[wallwriter]

74. my words exactly...

[Chipper Chat]

4. Glory, Hallelujah.

The Deliverer (Dobson) has come! Sweet Jeezuss!

[MattPSU]

5. The hotbed of secessionism

S.C. tried that once before and it didn't work out so well.

[acmejack]

10. I think we've got the issue that will solidly unite most Americans!

These folks are allegedly about 4 million in number. We will help them pack and sell their homes. Hell, we'll chip in for gas money if they need it.

Just go!

[SalmonChantedEvening]

13. Welcome to DU MattPSU!!

:hi:

[Patchuli]

6. I would like to see them go

and take their hatred, bigotry and stupidity with them! :freak:

[pilgrimsoul]

11. Yeah, really!

Let all the bigots and religiously insane all move to one place and leave the rest of us alone! Should be an entertaining show to watch how rapidly they screw everything up.

Any bets on when the incompetent morans beg for help from the secular government they're so anxious to be separated from?

[FreedomAngel82]

27. I wonder

how long would this last?? I give it a couple of months, a year the most. :eyes:

[madeline_con]

85. "how long "

With this crew? As looney as they are, it just might work. Does anyone know a reliable fence installer?

[Itchinjim]

7. So long! Farewell!

Don't bother to write!

[cyberpj]

8. Just a few of the bullet points:

Religious freedom:

At no time in American jurisprudence has religious persecution been acceptable. Nor does ChristianExodus.org believe any tenets of the Christian faith promote persecution of other faiths. Our organization stands decidedly in favor of religious freedom and liberty for all human beings so long as their religious behaviors do not violate the God-given rights of others. Again, ChristianExodus.org will not support any efforts on the part of government to violate the unalienable right to freedom of religious belief. People of all faiths must have the same rights and freedoms guaranteed to them under law.

Religious participation in ChristianExodus.org:

ChristianExodus.org is an organization for committed Christians. Please see our Statement of Faith for further clarification. While ChristianExodus.org does not desire to exclude anyone from moving to or living in South Carolina, we do expect that members of our organization agree with our Statement of Faith.

Racial and nationality discrimination:

ChristianExodus.org demands that all races be treated equally as children of God. All people originate from the same Creator and are therefore equal in His sight, and must be treated equally before the law. ChristianExodus.org will not tolerate any racial hatred or discrimination by its members. Additionally, once in South Carolina, ChristianExodus.org members will work to ensure equal access to and treatment before the law for all God's people irrespective of color or national origin.

Abortion:

ChristianExodus.org believes human life begins at conception and from that moment the law must protect each individual's right to life. Therefore, the United States' federal government neglects its responsibility to protect the unalienable right to life, and denies the right of sovereign states of the union to protect life.

Homosexuality:

ChristianExodus.org recognizes that homosexuality is an unhealthy, unsafe, detrimental behavior that affects all citizens in a community, not just the participants. Additionally, sexual conduct outside the bonds of marriage is not a God-given right. Therefore, homosexual activity is a behavior that a state may regulate and legislate against.

[madeline_con]

87. "... ChristianExodus.org does not desire to exclude ...

... anyone from moving to or living in South Carolina, we do expect that members of our organization agree with our Statement of Faith."


"... the law must protect each individual's right to life."


"... homosexual activity is a behavior that a state may regulate and legislate against."


Translation: "Hey, you homos and baby killers! Move here at your own risk!! God bless!"

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[chimpymustgo]

18. This is a treasure!

But who gets Florida?

[theHandpuppet]

50. Yeah, and who's going to rule? Arnie?

Californians should get rid of that Nazi in their own statehouse before they decide to create "New California". As for me, I live in a state with a DEM governor and two DEM U.S. Senators, including Robert Byrd.

Call me when someone wants to form a "New West Virginia"! (Although "New Vermont" sounds nice, too!)

[William Seger]

80. Rename it to Left Virginia

[DiverDave]

51. Hey, I second that!

To sum up briefly: You get Texas, Oklahoma and all the slave states.We get stem cell research and the best beaches.We get Elliot Spitzer. You get Ken Lay.

Hee-Hee, kenny boy will want some money...

[Clark2008]

94. Yep, I do get upset over that tripe.

It's devisive and won't help Dems win ANY red state.

Besides, it's stupid and doesn't consider that there are many good things in red states and many bad things in blue states.

Why don't the fundies just move to some rich, Bush-supporting guy's island and leave the United States altogether? That way they might be "united" states again, instead of having these freaks divide it.

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[skooooo]

16. I think it's a wonderful idea!

Please! Secede!

[Pathwalker]

17. They want civil war. That has been their plan all along.

Not a cold one, but one where they can kill anyone who does not agree with them. Once everyone who doesn't agree with them is dead, they get their throcracy.

[FreedomAngel82]

28. And I wonder

how long until people start revolting that??

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[Lecky]

19. What will these delusional freaks do if other people in SC don't want ...

to secede? Are they insane?

[smoogatz]

31. Is that second part a rhetorical question--

or do you really not know the answer?

[Lecky]

33. lol I live in SC

...I keep hearing about this incoming invasion of fundies, it's disturbing. Why don't they go to Utah or Kansas? :cry:

[FredStembottom]

36. Lecky, have you seen...

any evidence of people actually making the move to S.C.? Is your local news covering this?

Just curious. I immediately felt a wave of sympathy for the those of you who don't want such a thing in your state.:(

[ovidsen]

71. I'm in SC too

I'm a 20 minute drive from the Marine's Parris Island. This is definitely red country, but this call to action has recieved zero attention around here.

Some of the folks around here are bent, but they're not THAT bent.

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[Lecky]

63. I live in Charleston

I can't imagine fundies receiving a warm welcome here. Besides we have the College of Charleston, and colleges and universities are like kryptonite to fundies (that's where the evil liberals spend their time).

Is there any special reason they are picking SC, there are more conservative states to choose from. I'm looking at you Utah!

[globalvillage]

89. They do not get to keep Charleston!!!!

We'll have to move it. Charleston, Pennsylvania has a nice ring.

[cyberpj]

44. You and others with brains were one of my first thoughts. What to do...

what to do...

It's your state too!

[madeline_con]

91. "Utah or Kansas?"

Neither the Mormons nor Phelps want them, either.

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[QC]

104. "Heck, why not Florida?"

You want to give them 25 uncontested electoral votes forever? They can do a lot less damage in a small state.

But, of course, this whole discussion is divisive and pointless. These crackpots are just that--crackpots. They are not going to move anywhere or secede from anything. And this story is nothing more than an excuse for the usual twits to engage in state and region bashing, something that we spend far too much time doing around here as it is.

[ConfuZed]

83. I have alot of family in S.C

I hope this doesnt turn nasty I hope this right wing nuts are chased out of the state.

[cyberpj]

42. One of my thoughts as well - guess everyone with a brain has to move out.

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[cyberpj]

45. Now now - don't be rude. 7 or 8 isn't fair and we have some SC DUers

you know.

The other point is - what if they like it where they are - why should they have to leave?

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[cyberpj]

52. Mostly teasin' with ya Jackpine Radical - but your mentioning

eminent domain brought a shiver to me bones. It's not overreaching to think that they could warp that one into their own law to get whatever land they need for their effort!

And while no one would want to "have to leave" - I'm betting people with a brain would WANT to if this actually happens.

[madeline_con]

90. They'll be driven out with verse recitations...

"Are they insane?"

That's a given.

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[madeline_con]

93. What maroons!

:eyes:

[kestrel91316]

21. This could be good .................

put all these fascists in one place to compress their votes. SC has what, 2 senators and how many reps? Then the Entire remainder of the US would be Dems and moderate Reps.

Works for me.

I don't think the normal people who live in SC will let them secede. Just my humble opinion.

[Jacobin]

22. I'll help them pack if they'll leave my state

The average IQ in my state would go up 50 points if these bible thumping, warmongering, gaybashing, science-hating freaks left.

:woohoo:

[against all enemies]

23. This time let them go. Two less Puke Senators.

[Joey Liberal]

24. Don't go away mad, just go away!

Let South Carolina have these evangelical idiots.

[Joey Liberal]

25. Don't go away mad, just go away!

Let South Carolina have these evangelical idiots.

[FreedomAngel82]

26. And here I thought

they were the "love America or leave it" crowd???

[smoogatz]

30. Why do they hate America?

They're not leaving America--America left them. In 1937.

[madeline_con]

95. They're jealous of our freedom.

:rofl:

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[Bridget Burke]

32. This is an old story.

Just the latest version of the same religious nuts threatening to take over South Carolina. Apparently they are still having trouble recruiting.

Besides, it's already been tried.

[Gormy Cuss]

34. They want South Carolina, fine. Pay up.

If we let them buy the whole state it would put a nice dent in the federal budget deficit, what with that fine stretch of ocean frontage.

They will succeed in making a small areas Exodus fiefdoms because that isn't hard -- the polygamist Mormon groups have managed to do that. If they succeed in controlling the politics statewide, it will be miserable for anyone who doesn't ascribe to their narrow band of Christian theology.

I feel sorry for South Carolinians who aren't interested in living with this group of crusaders.

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[madeline_con]

96. "... name your double-wide Tara."

"Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn."

[dogday]

37. I lived in Greenville S. C.

It is beautiful there. Lived right down the street from BJ University. The Christians will fit in good there....

[globalvillage]

92. If you have to move north

can you bring Edwin McCain with you?
I don't know his politics, but I love his music.

[Zynx]

39. Cool. They can secede, we can invade them.

[madeline_con]

98. "... we can invade them."

Bushco can democratize them.

[Bemis]

41. The Christians want SC, Some Libertarians want NH.....

So, what's my bid for NJ????

[cyberpj]

56. I've known about the Libertarians and New Hampshire bit for a while -

And have to admit the idea appealed to me at first.

Maybe this is how US breaks away from fascism - take it all back to State's Power?

Who knows anymore!?

[annabanana]

64. LOL!

Good One, Bemis..
Welcoome to DU
:toast:

(They'll all have to bury the bodies somewhere!)

(btw: ex-Leonia girl here)

[raysr]

46. Go m-fers go

[Shredr]

47. I have to admit, it angers me

to still see people label homosexuality "an unhealthy, unsafe, detrimental behavior that affects all citizens in a community."

I know, I know, I should just ignore them, but part of me really gets boiled up about that.

[Zorra]

49. No, no! Texas, please, go to Texas! Texas should secede! Oh, please,

please, please! It's got more room! It has lots of the nasty corrupt conservative christian politicians that you adore! They'll redistrict the state however you want! They'll even throw out the Constitution and make the Old Testament the law of the land!

Please, take Texas!

(Apologies to liberal Texans - but we'll be glad to make room for you if Texas secedes)

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[in_cog_ni_to]

58. "If I owned both Hell and Texas, I'd live in Hell and rent out Texas."

:rofl: GREAT quote! I couldn't agree more.

[cyberpj]

61. great minds...........

:hi:

[cyberpj]

59. If I owned both Hell and Texas, I'd live in Hell and rent out Texas

Now there's an idea....

Let's see if we can make them RENT their little Utopia. At lease we could make some money off them - as it is now they'll probably get tax-exempt status for everything they do!

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[in_cog_ni_to]

53. Can we help them pack?

Secession of the RW religious, wacko nut jobs is a DREAM of mine. PLEASE< PLEASE< PLEASE GO! LEAVE! and NEVER COME BACK!

[bonofor prez]

54. NO NO NO NO SAY IT AIN"T SO

I love my state but if this "zionist" movement turns out to be true...I'm moving somewhere more liberal...like UTAH!

[annabanana]

66. I know, to you it sounds more like a threat than a promise..

I fear for the brave SC liberals...
Welcome to DU!
:toast:

[GetTheRightVote]

60. There are more Jim Jones in this country then we need for sure

I wonder if they will forget to drink the cool-aid as well ....
sick very sick people.

:kick:

[annabanana]

62. Isn't there some uninhabited island somewhere we

could give them for their "utopia"? I don't see why they should get all of SC.. It's too big for them.

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[chefgirl]

67. From Bill Maher's book, 'New Rules'

-New Rule-

“ Stop saying that ‘Blue state people are out of touch with the values and morals of the Red states. I’m not out of touch with them, I just don’t share them, in fact, and I know this is about a hundred and forty years late, but to the Southern states, I would say, upon further consideration, you can go. I know that’s what you always wanted , and, we’ve reconsidered, so, go ahead; and take Texas with you. You know what they say. If at first you don’t secede, try, try again.”

:applause:

-chef-

[cyberpj]

77. Good one. I remember that. And I miss Bill! nt.

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[RPM]

69. Hell - why not just go to Israel

that would make things interesting there...

scaredycats

[Lecky]

70. Exactly!

Why SC when you could live in the Holy Land?

[Warren DeMontague]

72. This is old.. they don't need to anymore, because all of America

is now their Theocratic fuckin' disneyland.

1/3 of Kansas residents believe the Bible's account of Genesis is "the best" scientific explanation for the origin of life.

Undoubtedly, a reliably moderate (meaning that, until a decade ago, she was considered a solid conservative) swing vote on the SCOTUS will very soon be replaced by a rabid christian fundamentalist eager to throw people in jail for having gay sex, swearing in public, or using the birth control pill.

Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell have the ear of the White House and are essentially writing the playbook on everything from foreign policy to whether or not the FDA should approve things like "morning after" contraception (in a word... "No")

They don't need to move to some kind of wacked-out fundy paradise in South Carolina. With the help of a few stolen elections and a brain-dead, media-addled electorate, the United States has become one big South Carolina style fundy paradise.

But fuck, if SC can secede, by my logic, so can California. I'm in.


(edit: and that's not to say everyone in SC is a fundy, just these people)

[krkaufman]

73. Just for the sake of uniformity...

... could we perhaps petition them, before too many have settled in South Carolina, to consider Florida?

1) They've already got Jeb and the Legislature doing their work.
2) They'll be that much closer to the Terry Schiavo Shrine.
3) It'll keep the remaining continental states more contiguous.
4) The shape of their new country will be representative of them in the way Italy's shape was of Musolini (a fascist boot).
5) Given the lack of effort on global warming, their Apocalypse/Rapture/whatever will come that much sooner.

[prodigal_green]

82. and they'd get to witness God's awesome power

7, 8, 10 times per summer during hurricaine season.

Without federal emergency funding, they can pray for their houses to be rebuilt.

[sakabatou]

75. Stay as long as you can, we won't miss you!

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[leesa]

78. Good. Go. But no more sucking at the Federal teat for you!

[ConfuZed]

84. Hey! I have family there!

You might want to watch your comments It would be so unfair if these right wing wackos hijacked their state from them.

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[GoneOffShore]

81. Here's a thought

They can have South Carolina, 100 miles west of I-95. They would have to pay access charges to use any highways out of the state. Internet nodes are turned off. All radio /tv frequencies are jammed coming out of the territory. Anyone who wants to leave can, but they can't go back. Anyone who wants in gets in, but can't come back out.

[SoCalDem]

86. Hallelujah! I'll donate for the ones who cannot afford to move

What a fantastic idea for US.. Let all the fundies gather together in one place, and create blue states in their departures :)

A concentration of wackos in one place could cause some concern for "normal" people who happen to live there, but perhaps they could just go where the "newcomers" came from :)

[Alien8ed]

88. So, Will Mr. Janowski Be Changing His Name?

Perhaps, to John Calhoun?

Or will that be mandatory for all of them, with numbers as suffixes?

"Hello, I'm John Calhoun 305!"

"I see. You must be from South Carolina."

"Is my room ready?"

"Yessir. Room 530."

"Fine. And could you tell Room Service to deliver 5 orders of Freedom Fries, 3 God Burgers, and 10 cold soft drinks to John Calhoun 305, in room 530, please?"

"No, sir. I think you'd better call and tell them that, yourself."

[Bleacher Creature]

97. I volunteer to help them pack!!

I've got some extra boxes and some great packing tape. Just tell me where and when.

[AntiCoup2K4]

99. Let's give them either Alaska or Florida

Alaska might be best as it's totally seperated from the rest of the country. Either that or build a wall across the Florida state line with all of those idiots on the other side.

[QC]

101. Simple pleasures for simple minds, I guess.

This same story is posted at least once a week here, and always garners the same responses from pretty much the same people, who get so much pleasure from trotting out their well-practiced drive-by posts that one would never imagine that they had done the very same thing the week before and the week before that and...

Can one of the usual participants please explain how the kind of divisive bullshit posted in this thread and all the other copycats of it will serve to help us pick up one or two more states or, for that matter, hold on to the "blue" states that are becoming progressively "redder," like Michigan and Minnesota? How about getting Florida back? That would give us a lock on the White House, but frankly I don't think the standard attacks on Floridians will do that.

We are still interested in winning elections, aren't we?

[MzShellG]

102. Excuse me...

But they arent welcomed here!:mad:

[grace0418]

105. Buh-bye

Although can they take Texas instead? South Carolina is too locationally inconvenient. Sorry, I know Austin and San Antonio are nice places, and GOD KNOWS I love Molly Ivins but I think it's a relatively small price to pay and I'd be happy to help relocate all the liberal Texans. Imagine a life without all the freaks trying to ruin this country!

[Technowitch]

106. Locking

This thread has descended into overly broad generalizations about one region of the U.S. and for specific states. We have DU members in those states and it's not fair to lump them all in together.

-Technowitch
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