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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 11:41 AM
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"I know George Bush is legendary for how he fended off the Cong in Texas
... and Alabama, but he might have been wise to heed the words of real combat tested military officers. These men know that if we are outside of international law and our boys (and girls) get caught, there is now a 100% chance that they will be abused, degraded and tortured. They weren’t willing to take that chance with lives of the men under their command. But Bush took that chance for them from the comfort of his Oval Office bunker.

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Eh, military officers, what do they know about being tough? George Bush was -- Out for Justice!

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I know, how dare he? Besides what would Senator McCain know about prisoners of war anyway? Dick Cheney, who got five deferments from Vietnam (coincidentally the same number of years Senator McCain spent as a POW in a North Vietnamese prison), has the nerve to lecture John McCain on rules of war.

When Cheney couldn’t convince the Senators to back off, President Bush threatened to use his first ever veto. Vetoing a bill that demands we follow U.S. military law – how does anyone support these guys anymore?

I remember a day when America used to be better than this. I don’t say this because I hate America, as the rabid right claims. The generals didn’t warn the President against torture because they hate America. We fight for what’s right because we love America.

From George W Bush: Above the Law by Cenk Uygur on July 29, 2005

Please read the entire excellent essay:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/cenk-uygur/george-w-bush-above-the_4857.html


Robert Cohen has written a compelling, honest and very important review of play "Primo" in which Antony Sher portrays Primo Levi and the experiences Mr Levi endured at Auschwitz. It is important to read the following with same care that Mr Cohen has written it:

I need to be very careful here, to say precisely what I mean and leave nothing to chance. <clip> It is an account of his time in Auschwitz. I could not help but think of Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo.

I know, I know. One must never compare anything to the Holocaust. One must never invoke Nazism except in reference to the Nazis. One must isolate that era to honor the victims. I know all this - and I believe it, too.

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Yet much of this remarkable play is not about genocide, but about shame and the annihilation of self. Levi was made a slave laborer, slated for death eventually but kept alive to do mostly meaningless work and so severely abused that it amounted to torture. The purpose of the torture, aside from it mostly having none at all, was to annihilate the prisoner's sense of self. For Levi and the others, it meant the replacement of his name with a number, 174517.

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The sense that torture or abuse is a momentary thing is a fiction. Torture is not merely something we can do - forgive us, but we must - because it is quick and we are right and then it is over ... and no big deal because, really, we have moved on. Too often, the victim has not.

So understand, please. I am not likening us to the Nazis (or the Communists), and I am not comparing victimhoods. I will not permit the trifling of the Holocaust. But if Primo Levi is to have the value I think he does, then he must make the horror of his time tell us something about our time. In "Primo" - in the body and voice of Antony Sher - he does.

From The searing truth of a tortured soul by Richard Cohen on July 29, 2005

Link:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ideas_opinions/story/332081p-283768c.html


One might hope the editors and owners of the corporate media might spend a summer evening viewing "Primo."

In any event, the editor's of the Washington Post, while still hesitant to describe the scale of all the lies and all the crimes Bush and the neoconsters have already committed, seem to be inching closer to the reality that Bush excels at only two things - incessant lying and crime.

FOR 15 MONTHS now the Bush administration has insisted that the horrific photographs of abuse from the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq were the result of freelance behavior by low-level personnel and had nothing to do with its policies. In this the White House has been enthusiastically supported by the Army brass, which has conducted investigations documenting hundreds of cases of prisoner mistreatment in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, but denies that any of its senior officers are culpable. For some time these implacable positions have been glaringly at odds with the known facts. In the past few days, those facts have grown harder to ignore.

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The White House and Pentagon have gotten away with their stonewalling largely because of Republican control of Congress. When the Abu Ghraib scandal erupted, GOP leaders such as Sen. John W. Warner (Va.) loudly vowed to get to the bottom of the matter -- but once the bottom started to come into view late last year, Mr. Warner's demands for accountability ceased. Mr. Rumsfeld and other senior officials have never been the subject of an independent investigation. A recommendation by the latest Army probe that Gen. Miller be reprimanded for his role in the Qahtani interrogation was rejected by Gen. Bantz Craddock of Southern Command.

The only good news in this shameful story is that a group of Republican senators, though resisting justified Democratic demands for an independent investigation, are attempting to reform the policy of abuse to which the administration still adheres. Six GOP senators led by John McCain (Ariz.) and Lindsey O. Graham (S.C.) have backed an amendment to the defense operations bill that would exclude exceptional interrogation techniques at Guantanamo Bay and ban the use of "cruel, inhumane and degrading" treatment for all prisoners held by the United States. The administration contends that detainees held abroad may be subject to such abuse. Attempts by the White House and Mr. Warner to block or gut the legislation failed, and on Tuesday the GOP leadership pulled the defense bill from the floor rather than allow a vote. The administration probably will spend the next month trying to quell this rebellion of conscience and good sense. The nation would be better served if President Bush instead accepted, at last, the truth about Abu Ghraib.

From The Truth About Abu Ghraib a WaPo Editorial on July 29, 2005

Link:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/28/AR2005072801745.html


When they lie to the citizens, to the Congress, to the UN and to our allies, why would we expect them ever to stop.

In fact, they cannot stop because they must do whatever it takes to maintain power because the one reality they never ever forget is:

The day our neoconster junta doesn't control the system is the day we are all going to jail.





Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us - How ever long it takes, the day must come when tens of millions of caring individuals peacefully but persistently defy the dictator, deny the corporatists their cash flow, and halt the evil being done in Iraq and in all the other places the Bu$h neoconster regime is destroying civilization and the environment in the name of "America."
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 11:47 AM
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1. Thanks!
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 11:52 AM
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2. nominated
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sojourner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 12:02 PM
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3. kicked and nominated!
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 12:10 PM
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4. Nothing to add...kicked and nominated! eom
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rlev1223 Donating Member (593 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 12:11 PM
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5. Bush fights Cong!
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 05:39 PM
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16. Bush saved my life during Vietnam
Edited on Fri Jul-29-05 05:40 PM by aint_no_life_nowhere
Back in Alabama in 1972 I was playing snooker in a bar when this huge hulking guy tried to bash my head in with a pool cue. Fortunately, he tripped over George Bush who was passed out drunk on the floor, knocking himself out on pool table.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 12:16 PM
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6. FYI
for those who fought in Texas, its called "Xas"
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 12:21 PM
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7. A glance, via google, indicates the news is spreading ....
The Truth About Abu Ghraib
Washington Post, United States
- 15 hours ago
FOR 15 MONTHS now the Bush administration has insisted that the horrific photographs of abuse from the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq were the result of freelance ...

Using dogs was camp boss's idea, says jailer
Sydney Morning Herald (subscription), Australia
- Jul 28, 2005
Fort Meade, Maryland: The use of dogs during interrogations at Abu Ghraib jail in Iraq was recommended by the commander of the Guantanamo Bay prison camp, Major ...

Abu Ghraib "imported interrogation tactics" from Guantanamo
Aljazeera.com, UK
- Jul 28, 2005
Tough interrogation techniques at Iraq's Abu Ghraib jail were recommended by the commander in charge of Guantanamo prison, a former warden in Iraq testified ...

Ex-Abu Ghraib Warden: Boss Urged Dog Use
Washington Post, United States
- Jul 28, 2005
By DAVID DISHNEAU. FORT MEADE, Md. -- The use of dogs during interrogations at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq was recommended by the commander ...

Abu Ghraib dog use 'urged by Guantanamo boss'
Sydney Morning Herald (subscription), Australia
- Jul 28, 2005
The use of dogs during interrogations at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq was recommended by the commander of the Guantanamo Bay detention centre during a visit in ...

Abu Ghraib learned from Guantanamo
Newsday, NY
- Jul 28, 2005
By Andrea F. Siegel. A former warden of Abu Ghraib prison told a hushed courtroom yesterday that interrogation techniques used at ...

Iraq warden testifies on dog use
Boston Globe, United States
- Jul 28, 2005
By Associated Press | July 28, 2005. FORT MEADE, Md. -- The commander in charge of the Guantanamo Bay prison visited Abu Ghraib in ...

Ex-warden: Dog use recommended
Detroit Free Press, United States
- Jul 28, 2005
BY DAVID DISHNEAU. FT. MEADE, Md. -- The commander in charge of Guantanamo Bay prison visited Abu Ghraib in 2003 and recommended ...

Dogs Called General's Proposal
Los Angeles Times, CA
- Jul 28, 2005
Testimony supports a defense argument that two accused handlers were 'doing their job,' as one lawyer put it. By Cynthia H. Cho, Times Staff Writer. FT. ...

Military dogs implicated in new Abu Ghraib case
Taipei Times, Taiwan
- Jul 27, 2005
Military dogs bit at least two detainees at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison, one severely enough to require stitches, witnesses testified at a pretrial hearing for ...

Testimony links abuses in two US military prisons
Xinhua, China
- Jul 27, 2005
WASHINGTON, July 27 (Xinhuanet) -- The inhumane interrogation tactics, including the use dogs to terrify suspects, adopted by US officers at an Iraqi prison ...

Abu Ghraib Warden Testifies About Dog Use
Guardian Unlimited, UK
- Jul 27, 2005
By DAVID DISHNEAU. FORT MEADE, Md. (AP) - The commander in charge of Guantanamo Bay prison visited Abu Ghraib in 2003 and recommended ...

Dogs let loose on inmates at Abu Ghraib
Times of India, India
- Jul 27, 2005
FORT MEADE, MEDDISSON: Military dogs bit at least two detainees at Iraq’s Abu Ghraib prison, one severely enough to require stitches, witnesses testified on ...

Abu Ghraib Warden Testifies About Dog Use
Wired News
- Jul 27, 2005
By DAVID DISHNEAU Associated Press Writer. FORT MEADE, Md. (AP) -- The former warden of the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq testified Wednesday ...

Dog handlers accused of Abu Ghraib 'game'
The Age (subscription), Australia
- Jul 27, 2005
Military dog handlers at the notorious Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq had a competition to see who could make inmates defecate and urinate on themselves, witnesses ...

Abu Ghraib tactics derived from Guantanamo
Science Daily (press release)
- Jul 27, 2005
US to build new Iraq prisons (June 26, 2005) -- US military forces in Iraq have announced plans for two new prison facilities at Abu Ghraib prison and Camp ...

Witness: GIs set dogs on Iraqi prisoners in contest
Chicago Sun-Times, United States
- Jul 27, 2005
FORT MEADE, Md. -- Two Iraqis at the notorious Abu Ghraib prison were bitten by dogs as they were being handled by sergeants who ...

Guantanamo cited as basis for use of dogs at Abu Ghraib
Chicago Tribune, United States
- Jul 27, 2005
WASHINGTON -- Military interrogators at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq learned about the use of military dogs to intimidate detainees from a team of interrogators ...

Soldiers testify dog tactics came from Cuba base
Seattle Times, United States
- Jul 27, 2005
By Josh White. WASHINGTON — Military interrogators at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq learned about the use of military working dogs ...

US military dog handlers face Abu Ghraib hearing
New Zealand Herald, New Zealand
- Jul 27, 2005
FORT MEADE, Maryland - US Army dog handlers in Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison used unmuzzled dogs to threaten naked prisoners and competed to see who could make ...

Developments in Iraq and at home
Detroit Free Press, United States
- Jul 27, 2005
Islamic law: Framers of Iraq's constitution will designate Islam as the main source of legislation -- a departure from the model set down by US authorities ... --- way to go, georgie boy --

US military dogs bite Abu Ghraib detainees: witnesses
Xinhua, China
- Jul 26, 2005
WASHINGTON, July 26 (Xinhuanet) -- US military dog handlers in Iraq's Abdul Ghraib prison used dogs to terrify detainees, and at least two of them were bit by ...

Abu Ghraib Dog Tactics Came From Guantanamo
Washington Post, United States
- Jul 26, 2005
By Josh White. Military interrogators at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq learned about the use of military working dogs to intimidate ...

Witnesses Say Army Dogs Bit Detainees
Guardian Unlimited, UK
- Jul 26, 2005
By DAVID DISHNEAU. FORT MEADE, Md. (AP) - Military dogs bit at least two detainees at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison, one severely enough ...

Abu Ghraib Dog Handlers' Preliminary Hearing Is Under Way
Los Angeles Times, CA
- Jul 26, 2005
By Cynthia H. Cho, Times Staff Writer. FORT MEADE, Md. -- Military dog handlers at the notorious Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq engaged ...

US military dog handlers face Abu Ghraib hearing
Reuters AlertNet, UK
- Jul 26, 2005
By Sue Pleming. FORT MEADE, Md., July 26 (Reuters) - US Army dog handlers in Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison used unmuzzled dogs to threaten ...

Ex-Guard: Dogs Bit Iraqi Detainees
CBS News
- Jul 26, 2005
(AP) Two Iraqis at the notorious Abu Ghraib prison were bitten by dogs as they were being handled by sergeants who were competing to see who could scare the ...

Abu Ghraib witness says dogs bit Iraqi detainees
San Jose Mercury News, United States
- Jul 26, 2005
FORT MEADE, Md. - Two Iraqis at the notorious Abu Ghraib prison were bitten by dogs as they were being handled by sergeants who ...

US military and administration clashed over Guantanamo
Daily Star - Lebanon, Lebanon
- 20 hours ago
Senior US military lawyers strongly disagreed in 2003 with an administration legal task force's conclusion that US President George W. Bush had authority to ...

Hot topics: Ethics Supreme Court Iraq Administration Judiciary
Think Progress, DC
- 23 hours ago
If you were ever in need of stronger evidence linking Donald Rumsfeld to Abu Ghraib, look no further than yesterday’s court testimony provided by two Army ...

Link as of 1008 PDT, July 29, 2005:
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&lr=&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2003-37,GGLD:en&tab=wn&ie=UTF-8&ncl=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/28/AR2005072801745.html


Three guys our troops need to send special thanks (in additon to their commander-in-chief whose joined by torture boy, below):









These are criminals, everyone. Never forget that.


Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us

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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:16 AM
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24. This is the thing that will not go away if we close our eyes.
The Right Wing has closed it's mind to this, as well as it's eyes, but the story is being told around the world and every American citizen that is not ashamed of this, is part of the problem. To be "Born Again Christians" they sure do act contrary to any laws of civilization, or the teachings of the Bible, that I'm aware of.

This is the very worst thing that Bush has let happen on his watch, yet! Leaving a known deserter and coward on watch, is a pretty stupid idea to start with...
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 12:26 PM
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8. More like defending the Officer's Club from financial difficulty.
While failing the class on pretzel consumption.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 12:59 PM
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9. Newsweek: ""The United States is running a gulag, a series of detention
... centers around the world where international legal standards are not having sway," says Carroll Bogert of Human Rights Watch. "They opened the door to a little bit of torture, and a whole lot of torture walked through." Nigel Rodley, who was the U.N. special rapporteur on torture and has written an authoritative book, "The Treatment of Prisoners Under International Law," dismisses Rumsfeld's claims that the Geneva Conventions have been observed. Rodley says that even some interrogation practices the Pentagon acknowledges using are "clearly violations both of international human-rights law and international humanitarian law as codified in the Geneva Conventions." He adds that the problem "goes back to the whole process of essentially creating legal black holes where people are held in the dark and secret reaches of state power. When that happens it breeds a sense of impunity and people do things that they shouldn't do."

One American intelligence officer admitted as much, telling NEWSWEEK: "The U.S. government and military capitalizes on the dubious status of Afghanistan, Diego Garcia, Guantanamo Bay, Iraq and aircraft carriers, to avoid certain legal questions about rough interrogations. Whatever humanitarian pronouncements a state such as ours may make about torture, states don't perform interrogations, individual people do. What's going to stop an impatient soldier, in a supralegal location, from whacking one nameless, dehumanized shopkeeper among many?"

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Even many stalwart Republicans are appalled by what's happened — and what may yet come out. "This is not a few bad apples. This is a system failure, a massive failure," said Senate Armed Services Committee member Lindsay Graham, a conservative Republican who once helped to prosecute the impeached Bill Clinton.

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Still, some question how seriously Rumsfeld is taking the allegations even now. At hearings last week, he was not shy about admitting mistakes. But he reserved most of his self-flagellation not for moral offenses but for, as he put it, "not understanding and knowing" there were hundreds of photos "that could eventually end up in the public and do the damage they've done." The role and culpability of the military-intelligence hierarchy remained carefully shrouded. And before the photos came out, noted Sen. Jack Reed sardonically, none of the senior officers in the affair had suffered worse than a reprimand. "Is that because a trial, and due process, would bring this out?" Reed asked. We are now likely to discover just that.

From Abu Ghraib and Beyond by John Barry, Mark Hosenball and Babak Dehghanpisheh

May 17, 2005

With Melinda Liu in Baghdad, Michael Hirsh, Pat Wingert, Roy Gutman and T. Trent Gegax in Washington, Ron Moreau and Sami Yousafzai in Afghanistan and Christopher Dickey in Paris


Link:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4934436/site/newsweek/


When the May 17, 2005 issue of Newsweek appeared the sub-title of the story was "The Bush administration says the U.S. atrocities at Saddam's old jail were the work of a few. But prisoner abuse is more widespread, and lots of people are passing the buck."

As of this week, it is ever more obvious that all the efforts to bounce those bucks away from the offices of Bush, Cheney, Gonzales are failing.




Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us
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frictionlessO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 01:34 PM
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10. One of your best UL!
Thanks for the meat, now I need a toothpick.

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BamaBecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 02:07 PM
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11. Excellent UL....!!!!!
:applause:


And the American Public in general seem oblivious. When I point this out to my Republican irrantants....they come back with....

"Huh Rah! War is hell"

They then try to JUSTIFY it........I'm like: Whatever happened to Geneva Conventions?????????????????????

Bama
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 02:30 PM
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12. International Consensus: Bush Terrorism Strategy Failing
International Consensus: Bush Terrorism Strategy Failing

Think Progress


July 29, 2005

Increasingly, Bush is becoming more isolated in his view that the Iraq war is stemming the progress of global terror. Three separate intelligence reports – the British intelligence agency, a Saudi intelligence analysis, and an Israeli report – contradict Bush’s view that we have to “defeat them abroad before they attack us at home.” The emerging consensus is that the occupation of Iraq is inspiring people around the world to join the ranks of the terrorists:

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“The Israeli Global Research in International Affairs Center reported earlier this year that Iraq ‘has turned into a magnet for jihadi volunteers.’ But not established terrorists. Rather, explains report author Reuven Paz, ‘the vast majority of Arabs killed in Iraq have never taken part in any terrorist activity prior to their arrival in Iraq.’

More at the link and comments (#10 is rather informative):

http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/29/strategy-failing


An illegal occupation coupled with lot's of torture is truly motivating of exactly what we and the world do not need.


Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 03:13 PM
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13. Link to 139 page .pdf document detailing Rumsfeld-approved techniques.
"These new documents provide vivid descriptions of how interrogation techniques approved by Rumsfeld constituted serious abuse in some instances," said ACLU Executive Director Anthony D. Romero. "There’s no denying that these approved techniques went too far and that the military knew full well how they were being used on detainees."

Link to the document:

http://action.aclu.org/torturefoia/released/072605/1243_1381.pdf

Link to the ACLU press release:

http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/SafeandFree.cfm?ID=18817&c=280



"A few bad apples" -- if so, they all are at the very top of the Bush neoconster tree of crime and deception.

Here's a question for you: "What do you call a barrel of wine after Bush sticks his finger in it?" -> A barrel of sewage.


Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 05:17 PM
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14. Crain's Cleveland Business: "Editor's Choice" July 29, 2005
By DEANNA BOTTAR

July 29. 2005

It’s been more than a year since we took our first glimpses of the appalling photos from Abu Ghraib prison that leant legitimacy to claims of abuse at some American-run prisons on foreign soil.

Today’s Washington Post includes an editorial that casts long shadows of suspicion about the origins of the behaviors that made us all gasp at images of Lynndie England and leashes.

The editorial calls to question what level of truth-telling Maj. Gen. Geoffrey D. Miller, the former commander of the Guantanamo Bay prison who was dispatched by the Pentagon to Abu Ghraib in August 2003, and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld engage in, urging the GOP-led Congress to investigate more thoroughly.

More at the link:
http://www.crainscleveland.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050729/FREE/50729014/1002&Profile=1002


"... calls to question what level of truth-telling ... " - ghastly acts of inhumanity coupled with persistent lying defines the era in history known as "Bush's Era of Atrocities."

Congrats to Ms Bottar for spreading some facts.


Peace

www.missionnotaccomplished.us


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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 05:28 PM
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15. The entire Congress is guilty!

Rumsfailed Admitted to Violating Geneva Convention

Rumsfailed admitted in public on TV that when CIA Director Tenet requested that an Iraqi prisoner be sent to a secret Afghan/US Prison that Rumsfailed did so. After four months a DOD Attorney stated that this was an illegal act. Rumsfailed then ordered that this prisoner be sent back to Abu Graihib but the prisoner was purposefully not listed at that location, also an illegal act. Rumsfeld also admitted to signing orders for tougher interogation methods which violated the Geneva Conventions.

Rumfailed has commited at least three violations of the Geneva Convention thereby also violations of The Constitution of the USA. Recently it has been found out that even more detainees were "ghost detainees". The fact that Rumsfailed and Tenet have not been charged speaks volumes. If Congress wishes to garner any respect they should move forward with Rep. Rangle's Impeachment Declaration of Rumsfailed and also proscecute Ex. CIA Tenet.


Does the US, Govt., Congress, and the Justice Dept no longer abide by the Geneva Convention or the Constitution of the USA?
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 05:42 PM
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17. You ask: "Does the US, Govt., Congress, and the Justice Dept no longer ..
Edited on Fri Jul-29-05 05:43 PM by understandinglife
... abide by the Geneva Convention or the Constitution of the USA?"

We, today, have a preponderance of evidence that the answer is NO.


Bush gave the Nation 'the finger' in the hallway of the US Capitol, and when he appoints Bolton to the UN next week, he will give 'the finger' to all of humanity.

Bush has effectively declared himself dictator and he has chosen his emblematic salute.

Now, the question is, when do 10s of millions of us return the salute and march him to prison for his unprecedented, in the history of the USA, rap sheet of capital crimes.


Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 06:05 PM
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18. "This exemplifies the government's disregard for democratic constraints
... on the use of executive power."

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However, the government has redacted significant portions of its public brief, including the conclusion. The government also heavily redacted portions of declarations submitted in support of the brief. One of the declarations is that of General Richard Meyers, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. ACLU attorneys have been provided with less-redacted court papers pursuant to a protective order that prevents them from disclosing the papers' contents to the public.

"Not only is the government denying the public access to records of critical significance, it is also withholding its reasons for doing so," said Amrit Singh, an ACLU staff attorney. "This exemplifies the government's disregard for democratic constraints on the use of executive power."

A hearing has been scheduled in federal court in New York for August 15 to address two issues: whether the public has been improperly denied access to information as a result of the government's redacted briefs, and whether the government should be compelled to release photographs of abuse at Abu Ghraib.

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From Defense Department Files Secret Arguments in Further Attempt to Suppress Abu Ghraib Photos

July 29, 2005


Link:

http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/SafeandFree.cfm?ID=18842&c=280


Attending each of these actions is the expansion of awareness of just how quilty Bush, Gonzales, Rumsfeld, Cheney and others are.

Yet another act of disregard for our Constitution; another act of cover-up of their crimes against humanity.


Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us

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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 09:40 PM
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19. Thank You for this Post! Says it all with Raw Truth!
And the last line really says it all: "The day our neoconster junta doesn't control the system is the day we are all going to jail."

Read the Huffington Post. Shew. Did anyone see what the walking brain-dead had to say. Folks, if you can spare a moment and add your thoughts to that first linked story go for it. I did because when you read what a few said, it sincerely makes one absolutely sick.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 06:14 AM
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20. Thanks, UL!
appreciate you finding all these great articles for us to read!
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 09:16 AM
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22. Kick!
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 09:37 AM
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23. Always the best posts from understanding life.
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 12:37 PM
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25. Very interesting
thank you UL.
Hiley
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 06:26 PM
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26. "the greatest gifts bestowed upon bin Laden by Bush .. Abu Ghraib and
... Guantanamo."

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Ask anyone in a Middle Eastern city (Tehran, for example, from where I write this today) about human rights or democracy in the Islamic world and they might point you back to Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay. Ask any American diplomat sitting inside the bunker-fortress of an embassy whether Guantanamo makes his or her life or job any harder, and the truthful answer will be yes. Ask Dina Powell, on her next trip to her native Egypt, to sit with a bunch of students and explain to them that America is all about freedom and democracy and the rule of law, but that we might torture suspects from time to time because POTUS can’t be unduly restricted in his powers. Ask Ms. Hughes (once she gets around to taking office at the State Department) to go on Al Jazeera to promote the American way of life, which for a Muslim prisoner just might, from time to time, include being walked around on a leash during exercise breaks.

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From A White House Gift by Hooman Majd on July 30, 2005

More at the link:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/hooman-majd/a-white-house-gift_4896.html


Ask yourself why you continue to pay these people a salary and provide them shelter in the White House, the a house at the Navy Observatory and other expensive dwellings in Washington, DC.

Ask yourself when you are going to evict them and send them to jail.


Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 06:49 PM
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27. Military's Opposition to Harsh Interrogation Is Outlined
Edited on Sat Jul-30-05 06:50 PM by understandinglife
Military's Opposition to Harsh Interrogation Is Outlined

by Neil A. Lewis


July 28, 2005

Senior military lawyers lodged vigorous and detailed dissents in early 2003 as an administration legal task force concluded that President Bush had authority as commander in chief to order harsh interrogations of prisoners at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, newly disclosed documents show.

Despite the military lawyers' warnings,....

All the disgusting details of how Bush, Gonzales, Rumsfeld and others created the first ever American tradition of torture:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/28/politics/28abuse.html


The whole point of America is being destroyed, not by the 'terrorists,' but willfully by their enablers - Bush and his neoconster regime.


Peace.

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