Dean broadcasts from a bunker.

[Renew Deal]

You have to see this video. Dean broadcasts from what looks like a bunker. It looks like a Saddam video. Go to deanforamerica.com to see it or click on this

http://newimages.deanforamerica.com/media/20030930.dean.eoq.wmv

Of course, there is more Dean negative campaigning. He says that there is a General supported by all the Washington Insiders. Who are these insiders? And why don't they support Dean? Are they wrong for not supporting him, or are they smart.

I am a Clark supporter as many know. Clark has said that the only reason he is running is for the Draft movement. I believe that Clark is the best overall candidate for the presidency.

Anyway, enjoy Dean, live from a bunker in Burlington.

[thebigidea]

1. "Dean wears a Saddam Hussein mask and supports terror, too!" adds Novak

he's the most insidious of traitors, right?

he needs more medals, and cap'n crunch braid.

[Renew Deal]

2. I am not implying that.

I was making a joke, while nailing him for his negative campaigning.

[thebigidea]

7. you should make a campaign ad with Dean next to Saddam

both in bunkers. it would go over BIG with "Reagan Democrats and Swing Voters" right?

negative campaigning, you're lecturing on. Ah. And the irony here is... hmmm...

on the tip of my tongue...

the irony is downright Saxby Chamblissian!

[Wonk]

10. Hi, thebigidea. Here's another mp3 you might want to use in your vid

and it's related to this thread, too.

Wes Clark, in his own words, 200k

Everytime I see a Clarkie bashing one of the other Dem candidates I'm going to post this again O8)

on edit: fixed link

[thebigidea]

13. fascinating link

" a model for assessing psychopathology based on the “Big Five” model of personality"

weird strain of psychobabble.

And oddly appropriate, even if no mp3 is extant.

snicker!

[Wonk]

24. Oops, I fixed the link, thanks. nt

[gully]

17. Didn't get the wes video. Can you repost

thanks ;) Oh, I guess I missed the joke LOL. *blush* :hi:

[hedda_foil]

3. The video is dark but it's outside in LA

NOT inside a bunker in Burlington. Sorry. Your smear attempt has failed, but the video is well worth the watch! Thanks for bringing it to our attention.

[Renew Deal]

4. Not a smear...

I just thought it looked funny.

[sfecap]

8. Bullshit.

Of course it's a smear, Clarkette. That's all you have.

Did you ever notice that Clark look like a vampire?

[Closer]

22. HAHA, OMG, ROFLMAO

Fangs for DAYS, huh SFECAP? LOL

I thought I was the only one who'd noticed.

[liberalnurse]

19. Thou shalt not fib.....

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

5. The fear is palpable.

[quinnox]

6. Let's hope Dean doesn't get ahold of a army helmet

anytime soon.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

9. nevermind

after a moment's thought I decided this anti-Dean posting was too ridiculous for even me to add to it, if you can believe that :)

[JohnKleeb]

12. nm

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

15. All I know is that Clark was born a lawyer's son.

How weathy was his family? West Point certainly suggests connections. Add that to the pile of things that we(I) don't know about him. Anybody got an early biography on him and his family?

:shrug:

[JohnKleeb]

18. havent got a clue RiF

but I think WCTV likes Kucinich as well and if you thought he grew up wealthy lol.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

20. sorry rif, jk

I just watched the video and was commenting on that, and I didn't read the thread, but I obviously should have.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

27. My Best Friend Went To West Point

His dad was the janitor at the high school we attended....

He also was the smartest guy in junior high and high school and one of the best atheletes....

[OKNancy]

32. It's on his site

which is linked on the DU homepage if you can stand to go there. I thought everyone knew about his early life.
His father died when he was five. ( That is the father that was Jewish- a Kantor) His mother moved back to Arkansas and re-married a banker...but in Ark that doesn't mean you are well off. He went to West Point because he was really smart, but not well-off.

[Renew Deal]

37. A lawyers son?

His dad died when he was 4. Have you no sympathy?

[FubarFly]

11. Great video!

Thanks for posting. Dean's message is right on target. (As usual.)

[Renew Deal]

38. Hopefully you get the joke and the non joke.

I should have posted this in 2 places. Here with the fact Dean is going negative (and it is costing him), and in the lounge with the Saddam joke.

[FubarFly]

42. Oh, I get it. The truth is somehow negative.

What will you say when Clark goes negative? Should i bookmark this thread?

[Renew Deal]

47. Go for it.

Clark has been running this on civil discourse. I hope he keeps it up.

[FubarFly]

48. We'll see.

IMO, there is nothing wrong with Dean differentiating himself from Clark unless what he said wasn't true. Was what he said untrue?

[Renew Deal]

50. I believe it is.

There is no overwhelming support for Clark yet in Washington. Most of his endorsements came from the texas legislature.

[FubarFly]

51. Fair enough.

We'll know soon enough. If Clark isn't supported by Washington insiders, then I believe Dean is wrong for saying so.

[MasonJar]

14. Dean and Clark

I don't like it when the candidates tear at each other, but unfortunately they are all doing it. We, their supporters, need to tell them it doesn't work for us. I think that for some reason Dean thinks that the DLC, which does not like him or so it seems to Dean, has talked Clark into running. I have a different take on almost all of our candidates. I believe that almost all of them see a lot wrong with this country and are hoping to change it.

[Eloriel]

39. Yeah, Dean thinks that ...

because it's TRUE.

Clark is Clinton's candidate. Clinton can't stand the thought of losing power, prestige and influence to someone who can command that much of The People's admiration, respect, support. Dean's campaign funds are being raised from everyday people like you and me -- no Big Daddy Warbucks contributors in the group. Clark IS the STop Dean campaign. I guess you missed all the news:

Hillary waxing enthusiastic about Clark while saying, "Oh, but this is not an endorsement, you understand."

Bill saying, "The two stars in the Democratic Party are Hillary and Wes Clark," and this was either slightly before or just after Clark finally decided who the hell he was.

Fineman writing an article on the Stop Dean movement in Washington.

Clark's announcement followed by reports that Bill had "encouraged him" to run.

That followed shortly by reports of all the ex-Clintonites flocking to Clark's campaign. Just coincidence? Not on your life. NOTHING in politics is coincidence, or so the saying goes.

I think it's time for Bill Clinton to get a fucking clue that HE doesn't get to pick the Democratic nominee. That's The People's job. And butt the hell out. If I wasn't really "over" the Clintons before, this nailed it. I despise them now for their self-serving greed and ambition -- character flaws I really hadn't understood belonged to them before this.

Eloriel

[Renew Deal]

52. I don't agree.

Get over yourself, really. Clark did not run to "Stop Dean." Why shouldn't Hillary like Clark? You would think Hill and Bill were great if they endorsed Dean.

The two stars thing has turned out to be true, hasn't it? He has come out. Told people who he is, and the media, candidates, and others habe said who they think he is, and he is still doing well. Dean tried to go after Clark for the republican thing and it bit him in the ass.

The stop dean movement may be real, but I don;t think he is part of it. You think Clark is going to mess up his life just to stop Dean? C'mon, get over yourselves. Now, I do believe that others may be involved in that. Gep's Dean facts site is no holds barred.

The people that went to Clark's campaign are a combo of people that were not involved in the race (so they were the few left), and a few that jumped ship from others.

Besides, if the Clintons want the power and greed that you mention, wouldn't they want to let Dean win and lose to Bush? Hill wouldn't run against an incumbent in 2008.

[liberalnurse]

16. I think Clark is running because he could not get the

republican gig. That spots already taken by *bush.

Clark reminds me of Arnold. Neither has message or plan on how they are going to govern.....All their follwers are just groopies.


Howard Dean has real grassroots citizens with loyal support based upon his clear direction to take back America.

[Pastiche423]

25. I am in agreement w/you

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. "All Their Followers Are Just Gro(u)pies...".

I thought that prejudice was something that liberals were supposed to eschew....

[blm]

31. Yeah, and his clear direction to deregulate electricity

doesn't seem to bother you a bit.

[Renew Deal]

40. What's Dean's plan to govern?

Because maybe I am missing something. Please, you know him tell me.

[ShaneGR]

21. Looks like Saddam Video?

Granted, bad lighting, but it hardly looks like a Saddam video.

[thebigidea]

23. I think he/she meant to say it had the production values of say "The Base"

or is that not a timely enough reference?

Is Saddam still the current Goldstein?



so hard to tell them apart these days

[Renew Deal]

41. Thanks for...

getting the joke.

[nolabels]

26. What were you doing on a Dean website?

Are you really just a secret Dean admirer?

There are inside deals stuff and things from these people hold the levers to bank vaults of the US treasury. They need to steal what ever is left of it, to put the USA in permanent debt, much like they are looting Iraq now. Some people are to blind to see it, but they will know what it is when it gets to them in their home. These other people that spend and spent there lives bombing defenseless people in foreign countries and are no friends of mine either. The former are now in the process of putting another 87 billion to the 70+ billion they already stuck on their latest boondoggle in Iraq. The later is thinking, do we have to?

Blind like some robots they plod on their way, thinking I am a patriot because I can wave my flag. How cheap is that? For those brave people, the ones who lost there lives in the military serving their country. The rest of us owe them for it, but what is it that we are supposed to be doing. Is this thing we are supposed to be doing the process of going out to find more wars to fight with people that had nothing to do with nothing?


http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/ED01Ak05.html

THE ROVING EYE
The Gaza or Grozny choice
By Pepe Escobar

AMMAN - There are two options for Washington to win this war: the Gaza option or the Grozny option.

The suicide bombing near Najaf is proof that the "Palestinization" of Iraq is in full swing. The repeated calls for jihad from Islamic scholars in al-Azhar in Cairo, the Grand Mufti of Syria and a powerful imam in Najaf show that the jihad in Mesopotamia is also in full swing. In mass protests from Rabat in Morocco to Peshawar in Pakistan, from Kolkata in India to Jakarta in Indonesia, the Arab - and Muslim - street continues to demonstrate its opposition to the events unfolding in Iraq.

And certainly the majority of the world's 1.3 billion Muslims - and seemingly most Iraqis themselves - don't believe that the coalition has marched on Iraq to liberate its people. The message of the "Prince of Darkness" Richard Perle - "When we leave, the oil will be left behind to the people of Iraq" - rings hollow in many a Middle Eastern ear.

And with every day that the war drags on, with mounting casualties on both sides, and especially civilian deaths, the crucial question remains: What price victory? By choosing the Gaza option - a war of attrition - Washington falls into Saddam Hussein's trap: it will serve him on a plate the explosive image he is seeking, that of an Israeli tank in the streets of Gaza juxtaposed with a US tank in the streets of Baghdad. By choosing the Grozny option - a scorched-earth policy - Washington will have to level Baghdad to win the war.

An Algerian intelligence agent recently arrived from Baghdad points to US exasperation over the propaganda war - the Pentagon has used bunker-buster missiles to hit telephone exchanges and the Ministry of Information. It's now totally impossible to call, fax or e-mail Iraq from Jordan. The same point is made in one of the daily reports of the GRU, the Russian intelligence agency: "The coalition command has effectively acknowledged its defeat in the information war with the strikes against the television center in Baghdad, and now further strikes should be expected against television and ground satellite transmitters. The coalition is attempting to leave the Iraqis without information in order to demoralize them."

The Algerian source confirms that the first ring of defense outside Baghdad is ready to duplicate the guerrilla war raging in the Shi'ite south: it's a web of camouflaged tanks, sandbagged bunkers with heavy machine-guns and mobile anti-aircraft trucks near military checkpoints. Around them are a cluster of small villages and farms enveloped by date-palm groves. Baghdad seems ready for the siege, he says.
(snip)

[OrdinaryTa]

28. This Is For Us, Not the Ken Lays of the World

I think this is an effective line.

I like Howard Dean. He showed guts back when it was risky. Unlike some others, who shall remain nameless ....

[Renew Deal]

43. That is a good line...

But I don't get the guts reference? What are you talking about? I wouldn't have a problem with the video if he didn't try to label Clark. That is pure negative campaigning.

[Capn Sunshine]

30. I'll tell you where that is

It's in the backyard of the Dean House party host last night in West Losangeles ( Near the Santa Monica Border)

I forget you guys don't recognize architecture and exotic plants, but that was both. That unfinished block is a "look" and the theme was repeated throughout the yard , along with other native plantings.

It was done off the cuff and is going to run at many meetups tomorrow. I liked it.

I guess you take issue with the Washington insiders General remark, but let's put it another way:

What exactly is the address of the Pentagon? Technically , not DC, but if you work THERE it doesn't get much more INSIDE than that.

What you guys need to do is stop running your whole campaign based on the frontrunners action and statements and come up with some stuff of your own. Don't attack the frontrunner, run on your resume. An "Issues" section on your web page would be very helpful. You don't think you should emphasize online, fine, but I'm telling you that section should be up and running before Noon EDT tomorrow.

[Rose Siding]

33. Some folks like slick and staged

This looked to me like between doing other things, he had time to say a few words to his supporters. He's careful with how he spends our money and I'm glad.

I really get worried when such a strong attempt to include the people is ridiculed. Not worried for Dean, but for all of us.

[Cha]

34. Please don't worry about these "attemps"....they are in the very

low minority of how People respond to such acts of inclusion! :)

[Renew Deal]

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[Renew Deal]

45. You are missing the point.

It is not the video I have a problem with. It is that one negative comment. It is not right of Dean to drag this race into the gutter. I am glad that he is bringing new people in. So is Clark. We have a great chance to expand the party. Unfortunately, Clark gets ridiculed by Dean and his supporters for expanding the party. It is quite hypocritical.

I can't wait until this race is over so we can all be on the same side.

[yellowdog]

46. So far, Clark looks like a one-trick pony.

He has the anti-war message, but I haven't heard anything else. I was against the war, doesn't qualify me to be president. I am a veteran, doesn't qualify me to be president. I need to hear him put flesh on his pro-choice position, his plans for health care, his feelings on gay rights, what his fiscal philosophy is, and whether he gives a damn about the poor in this country.

[Renew Deal]

49. I understand how you feel.

There are lot's of resources on Clark. You should check his site, and some other site's that are around. But watch him in his own words here. He cover's a lot of issues and I think all the one's you mentioned except abortion.

http://video.c-span.org:8080/ramgen/idrive/project/c04/c04092603_clark.rm

[Julien Sorel]

36. Frontrunner?

http://www.pollingreport.com/wh04dem.htm


Since when did the frontrunner run in second place?

[Renew Deal]

44. It's all coming.

I don't know if you have looked, but the website is growing. They have added many features in 10 days. The issues page is coming too, but there are plenty of resources for Clark.
The latest great place to see Clark on the issues is:

http://video.c-span.org:8080/ramgen/idrive/project/c04/c04092603_clark.rm

[Julien Sorel]

35. Two words for Dean's photog: white balance.

Rookie mistake.