I just got back from a FEMA Detainment Camp (lots of pix at link)

[TrogL]

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/fema.html

I'm extremely depressed to report that things seem to only be getting sadder concerning the people so devastatingly affected by Katrina last week. Two car loads of us headed over to Falls Creek, a youth camp for Southern Baptist churches in Oklahoma that agreed to have its facilities used to house Louisiana refugees. I'm afraid the camp is not going to be used as the kind people of the churches who own the cabins believe it was going to be used.

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FEMA will not allow any of the kitchen facilities in any of the cabins to be used by the occupants due to fire hazards. FEMA will deliver meals to the cabins. The refugees will be given two meals per day by FEMA. They will not be able to cook. In fact, the "host" goes on to explain, some churches had already enquired about whether they could come in on weekends and fix meals for the people staying in their cabin. FEMA won't allow it because there could be a situation where one cabin gets steaks and another gets hot dogs - and...it could cause a riot.

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e then precedes to tell us that some churches had already enquired into whether they could send a van or bus on Sundays to pick up any occupants of their cabins who might be interested in attending church. FEMA will not allow this. The occupants of the camp cannot leave the camp for any reason. If they leave the camp they may never return. They will be issued FEMA identification cards and "a sum of money" and they will remain within the camp for the next 5 months.

[henslee]

1. Why don't these a-holes realize cooking and having your pets is therapy.

[bryant69]

9. They have a very narrow view of what is possible

TThey literally cannot concieve of a world in which we could save both people and pets.

Bryant
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[eleny]

2. Can't leave for 5 months... that says it all

Disperse them and keep citizens out of sight. What if they've been separated from their families? This cannot stand!

[KyndCulture]

3. I read this earlier..

and I'm very skeptical of this. I know there are pics and this is a first hand account but this is also from a serious tinfoil website.

[TrogL]

4. Even tinfoilers are right sometimes

The pictures themselves are interesting.

This matches information I heard this morning on the CBC. There's a separate thread.

[neweurope]

5. Maybe so. I've been following the discussion there, though, and

the guy who reports it sounds completely trustworthy. He's not scandalmongering, either, always trying to find logical reasons for all of this.

During the discussion somebody came up a suggestion which would make sense to me:

The middle class people were able to escape NO. The poor weren't. And evidently they were even held inside of NO on purpose. Following scenario might be likely:

They were held there on purpose so they could be sent as large groups to detainment centers in the middle of nowhere - instead of being offered homes by private families, churches and the like. They're supposed to stay there at least five months.

Meanwhile Halliburton is rebuilding New Orleans (interesting that they got the no-bid contract before the first victims were evacuated). The middle class will return sooner or later. The poor won't because their property will have been seized and the land will have new ownwers. "Eminent Domain will be used to screw the rightful owners out of their property in New Orleans after the bulldozers level all the condemned property standing in the way of high density development."

Because the poor are in detention centers in the middle of nowhere which they cannot leave they cannot even protest this in court. And after the five months are up who knows what'll happen to them? The public will pretty much have forgotten about them by then, resting assured that they are being "taken care of". "If they have the large facilities that conspirists believe they do, they could easily move these forgotten people to one of those facilities and do who knows what to them."

That would explain the rumors, too, that the levee was breached on purpose. And it would certainly explain why the breach was not fixed at once! It would explain why the people evidently weren't able to leave the city when thy could have. It would explain why foreign helpers were kept outside, not being able to help at all.

It would explain a lot of things that otherwise cannot be explained readily.

And I do think that this plan was all ready. It was known that NO would be hit like this sooner or later. Only last year FEMA had a trial run, some kind off exercise.

Who'd put it past them?


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[northzax]

17. um, Haliburton's contract to 'rebuild New Orleans'

is entirely confined to the Naval Facilities in the Port of New Orleans, which Haliburton has a maintenance contract with. They are under contract already to do the work.

or do you have a link to support your allegation that Haliburton has a no bid contract ot rebuild the actual city, or anything within the city limits?

[neweurope]

24. Thanks for the Halliburton information, I didn't know.

As to the "no bid" I seem to remember to have read it several times on DU. Can't use the search function or I'd look it up.
There still remain too many unexplained things - and I'm still speculating :)

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[petronius]

33. What I read was that the original contract was competitive

Halliburton won the contract through a competitive bidding process, and the contract calls for providing maintenance and repair services in circumstances like the present. So the current assignment isn't really underhanded. (Of course, it's always possible that the original contracting involved some skulduggery - corruption in federal procurement is not exactly unheard of - but I'd want some evidence before going down that road.)

[neweurope]

34. Thank you :)

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[tx_dem41]

10. Go with your first impulse.

Its usually correct.

[sandnsea]

27. See #26

I think somebody needs to exchange their tinfoil hat for a thinking cap too. In any event, this site isn't even being used according to an article I read yesterday. Google - muskogee newspaper, for the link requesters.

[OKNancy]

6. Wonder how many times this will be posted

Falls Creek is a nice place where people have been going for years. It is remote, but not THAT remote considering we in Oklahoma have cars.
But the biggest problem is that there are NO displaced persons there and there probably never will be.
http://www.kten.com/article.asp?id=10006

[undergroundpanther]

7. Umm

If you have no car it's damn remote.I live in the suburbs and THAT is too remote for me with no car of my own.

[ret5hd]

8. well, that just raises a whole new series of questions...

fema leased the place for 5 months, then doesnt send anybody there? sounds like gov't funneling money to churches to me.

just sayin...

[tx_dem41]

12. Oh Nancy....

quit confusing us with facts! Ruins the CT fun. ;)

[cynatnite]

11. Falls Creek was a place of fond teenage memories for me

:cry: I can't believe they would turn it into a place to hold people rather than to start over.

They're freedom is gone :cry:

[OKNancy]

14. They aren't

This "report" is one persons re-telling. They are not going to detain them. Evacuees are not detained anywhere and they won't be here if they ever come. They had so many volunteers to bring their CARS and the food and everything, they had to turn people away. At Camp Gruber ( 45 minutes from me) it's the same. There are so many volunteers to take the people shopping or to the park or to LOOK FOR HOUSING that you have to wait your turn.

I know everyone wants to think people are evil, but most Americans are very giving. There has been an outpouring of support for these people that is just great.

[cynatnite]

16. FEMA running the show is what I have a problem with

At least the Southern Baptists would bring a little humanity with them even though a person would have to put up with the evangilizing.

FEMA has screwed this up from day one...well, before day one.

I can understand they may have more donations than they know what to do with or even volunteers. Adjustments would have to be made.

It's FEMA. They turned it into a detainment camp of some sort from the way it sounds.

It may not matter at this point because it doesn't look like survivors are going to be housed there.

[SmokingJacket]

20. According to an article I googled, the Red Cross is running

the camp, anyway.

But no one has shown up...

[neweurope]

25. There are supposed to be arriving to-morrow.

The original poster said in the discussion he's talked to his pastor and has new information.

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[RaleighNCDUer]

31. The people are very giving.

It's this administration that is evil.

I literally put nothing beyond them.

[July]

13. How in holy hell can they detain U.S. citizens?

Where is the fucking press?

I'd like to see a journalist ask someone -- anyone -- why those affected by the hurricane are locked up?

What are they going to do if someone just says, "I'm leaving"?

This is appalling.

[Roland99]

15. Can't cook, can't leave, probably no phone contacts allowed

WTF?

[MildyRules]

21. The OP says the can leave, but if they do

they can't come back. How is that internment?

[Roland99]

22. Where the hell are they going to go?

[MildyRules]

30. Anywhere else.

The fact that they CAN leave (from a "camp" they aren't even at BTW), means they are NOT interred.

[northzax]

18. did you look the pictures?

strange things, imagine a potential site to house refugees filled with donations from citizens of toys nad clothes. And police there to watch over the property. amazing.

only one problem...why are they no refugees in the pictures? oh, they aren't actually there? huh.

[Skidmore]

19. Not one Dem legislator appears to be aware of these camps.

[Vinca]

23. What fucking assholes.

They're not housing animals, they're housing people. They deserve not only respect, but 3 meals a day and a little comfort food that can only come from home cooking. Why is FEMA making things worse? Haven't they done just about enough? I'm furious.

[sandnsea]

26. This camp wasn't used

I read an article in the Muskogee newspaper that this wasn't used so I don't know what this blog is about at all. Also, if you go to the Baptist web site, when they were planning on using this camp they told people not to bring clothes, food, or gifts; so this person was obviously out of the loop from the gate. Finally, another camp in that area has an 11 to 6 curfew, nothing about occupants not being able to leave. I don't give this account much credibility anymore.

[CdnObserver]

28. None dare call it a concentration camp!

I visited Dachau as a teenager, and if you hadn't known what went on there it wouldn't seem that different just from looking at it.

I thought FEMA already had camps set up for Rex-84.

I guess Brownie's too stupid to even know that!

[MildyRules]

32. Where are the ovens?

I saw those at Dachau. Do you see them here?

[Ivan Sputnik]

29. Associated Press on Falls Creek camp

"ASSOCIATED PRESS

DAVIS, Okla. -- Volunteers and relief workers remain ready to receive hurricane evacuees at the Falls Creek church camp in southern Oklahoma, but still no word on when or if the evacuees will arrive."

http://www.kfor.com/Global/story.asp?S=3812422

[neweurope]

35. Some people have arrived:

"He stated he saw about 10 buses total. 2 of those were large charter buses and the others were "smaller", but larger than school buses - these buses were white and he didn't see any kind of markings on them. I asked him if they were the Falls Creek shuttle buses (which are old school buses painted white and have "Falls Creek Shuttle" painted on the side and front). He said "No! No, They weren't Falls Creek buses, and they were bigger than those.) He states he saw some where between 50 and 100 people standing in a rather scattered fashion, but in the same general area. Almost all of these people were african-american and they were loitering about as if they were waiting for something to happen....i.e. they weren't "doing anything" like they were workers or such. 50 to 100 people would be just about right for two greyhound buses - especially if people had any belongings with them."

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