A truth that no Republican has the courage to admit....

[kentuck]

But the Republican Party is built on deception and lies. Of course, they say the same thing about the Democrats, but the only difference is that with their Party, it is true. The cornerstone of their philosophy is based on greed. Left alone, everybody could be a millionaire. Everybody could be a successful businessman. No worker bees are necessary in their world. Everybody can be a king.

Government is the enemy of their philosophy. It takes their wealth in the form of taxes and gives all the money to the poor Democrats. For that reason, they hate government. They tell all working class Republicans that only the Republican Party looks out for their interests. If they didn't have to pay taxes, they could be wealthy like their leaders in the Republican Party.

Without the mass deception of the Republican Party, they would die. They could not survive without the lies. They feed on the lies like a vampire feeds on blood. Once they are exposed, it is like a wooden stake at their heart. That is why they are so desperately fighting anyone and everyone, including some in the media, if they attempt to expose their lies. They are fighting for their lives. Truth is their enemy.

[displacedtexan]

1. When was the last time an elected Republican...

actually did something for the benefit of all Americans?

[Melodybe]

3. i think that they are all racists

[DURHAM D]

9. and sexist. eom

[ChairmanAgnostic]

11. there was one

nixon - signing EPA legislation.

[TankLV]

44. Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt.

That was the last straw for the crimnally insane REPUKE BASE!

They lost it all and have been fighting humanity ever since.

[gademocrat7]

2. I agree

[Carla in Ca]

4. The times, they are a changin'

The newest polls out today by CBS and Zogby are proof that a lot of republicans are now, finally, realizing the failed leadership of this administration. It isn't just us anymore.

Let's keep up the good work...LOUDLY!



This is from a newscast from Ireland...gotta love it!

[Booster]

5. What I wish somebody would find out is how many Republicans

have taken advantage of government handouts because it's at least equal to the Dems. It's again their "me, me, me" agenda. They say "yeah, but this happened to ME, so I'm getting my share". I've asked several of my Repug friends about this and just plain don't answer the question - they have no answer.

[Guava Jelly]

6. like Duh

If it was anymore clear maybe more people would be alive.
MAybe we could have got A fema that wasn't old Party hacks with no disaster history.
Watch the movie 1984
YOU ARE BEING OH SO PLAYED FOR A FOOL BY A PARTY THAT DON'T GIVE A RATS A$$ ABOUT YOU.
Come take the blue pill step out of the matrix
the red pill is what got us into this mess.

[opihimoimoi]

7. Ya got that right..and as of now, they are on the ropes, hence the strong

denial....

America need some waking up/catching up to do.......Astute peeps do not drink Kool Ade

[Cleita]

8. Seems to me they should be outlawed. They don't stand for

American democratic values. Their philosophy is based on bigotry, racism and sexism. Those values are very anti-American and against the law in most states.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

10. the beauty of their deception is strengthened by other factors

name brand gym shoes that retail for more than $300 which are a must for inner ciity kids (little to they know that it costs some viet or Malay kid 20 minutes to make it for which he or she earns 23 cents)
The logo mentality- the appearance is important ideology - these create pressures in society. We are told that we are only happy if our car is bigger, faster, our shoes more expensive, our penises larger and harder and our breasts more pert. This kind of societal approach fits perfectly with maximaizing profits
Then, add to that our credit card behavior. Guess who wins these games. the very same people running the GOP.
Lastly, the GOPers have managed to hook onto something powerful. Dreams, goals, desires, wishes, and the idea (warped as it is) that they can win the lottery or in some other way, join the cream of society.

you are right - this is a mass deception, one, that many people have willingly bought into.

[DoYouEverWonder]

12. All the Repugs care about is stuff

Money and property are above all else. Listen to when they talk about problems and how to solve them. They never talk about how it will effect people or make their lives better, never.

[Bluerthanblue]

13. gotta disagree- and flame away but

the notion that ALL republicans suck, is as repulsive to me as the complete reverse- all dem's suck. or all black people suck, or all white people suck, or all men suck, or all americans suck,

THIS kind of black/white, good/evil, THEM/US fucked up, idiotic mentality only proves to me that the truth is:
HUMAN'KIND' SUCKS
and there is no fucking god-damn, genuine goodness left in this screwed up world-

Hate, evil, cruelty, self-centeredness, arrogance, and apathy among all the ills that plague this world are EQUAL OPPORTUNITY DESTROYERS-

Suicide rates should soar- there IS such a thing as cancer of the 'hope' and 'idealistic' parts of a person-

i'm sick to death of this world-

And the notion that it is always 'them' and 'their' fault- we ALL 'own' our own shit- and we all stink. Pointing at others, for the sole benefit of making ourselves 'feel BETTER' or 'superior'- is an act of shame in itself. Pointing out wrongs on individual, credible, and clear issues hold the 'hope' of correcting the wrong done, or at least making an effort to ensure that it does not continue, or occur again.

i'm ready to quit- everything.
fucking loser that i am-


There are not enough curse words in my vocabulary to put meaning to my feelings.

[kentuck]

15. Who said all Republicans suck ??

I said the Republican Party is based on lies and deception? Do you disagree with that?

(edited to speak only for me, myself , and I.)

[Bluerthanblue]

16. who is 'we' and yes, i do...

disagree that the "Republican Party" is based on lies and deception. The 'party' platform fails (for my preference) on issues not of 'truth' or 'candor'- that is lacking in EVERY 'party'- but in 'ideology'.

The TRUTH is, Kentuck- that no 'party' has the 'market' on lies and deception-

i hate 'groups'- i hate it when people judge on anything other than individual deeds, acts, words and thoughts.

You said no Republicans want to admit- well read some of the posts here- One person posted about moving into a neighborhood and getting a comment on their Kerry bumper sticker. The guy was a Repub. and the poster spoke with alot of truth, and personal integrity to the man.

THAT is the only hope left- and it is far to fucking rare-

i speak for myself, a screwed up white trash woman who should know better than to 'believe' in anything other than the worst- you never get disappointed that way, only pleasantly surprised- on rare but oh so crucial occasions.

[kentuck]

18. I disagree with you...

It is my opinion that the entire Republican Party is based on deception and lies, much more than the Democratic Party could ever be. They are a fucking cult.

[Bluerthanblue]

25. "they" say exactly the same

about YOU- and ME and Joe Lieberman (who i dislike very much NOT because he's a democrat, but because of his ACTIONS)
Neither do i 'like' a person because the claim to be a 'democrat'-

You are drinking the kool-aid of the destruction of humanity Kentuck-
It's simply another flavor served up in a different container, by those who know how to stroke you where it 'feels' more acceptable.

Do i believe that the current administration is filled with people who are selfish, arrogant, liars, self-centered ASSHOLES???? you can bet MY ass on that- but to lump people into heaps, and say 'they are ALL shit- and in saying that claim 'the high' ground' you have infected yourself with exactly the kind of shit that makes those you choose to group into 'them' a mutation of 'them'-

Fuck it- i'm not a part of anything- except the human race- and i'm pretty much ready to drop out- there ain't not worthy finish line in sight.

and nobody gets out of here alive anyway

[kentuck]

28. If you can't see what is destroying this nation....

It is you that have drank the koolaid...You may want to think seriously about dropping out. I'm not saying our Party is perfect, far from it, but to suggest they are the same as the Repubs is destructive to humanity.

[Bluerthanblue]

29. i see all too clearly Kentuck-

it is hatred, holier than thou, 'my way or the highway', your either 'with us or against us', mentality

No, the Dem. party is FAR from perfect- in MANY ways. It does, however embody the perspective that i hold personally, much more accurately than any other 'party'-

That being said, i'd never choose someone to 'save' from death simply because they claimed to belong to the 'democratic' party, while allowing a 'republican' to drown-

To believe that the democratic 'party' is exempt from doing lots of evil things is to lie. I've learned too much to swallow that lie any longer. Things done by 'covert' agents during the CLINTON administration were very EVIL and WRONG and IMMORAL too.

If your claim is 'but we aren't AS bad'- 'THEY are the REAL bad ones' so we can distance ourselves from the wrong done 'in our name, with out money, by our government' then i say

fuck everything-

and i'll have myself a last swallow, cause human'kind' is an oxymoron.

What ever happened to honest, personel integrety? And being willing to look at ourselves, and seek to improve where we fall short, and encourageing the 'best' in everyone???? That requires humility, and admitting that 'we' ain't the be-all end-all.

John Lennon is lucky he doesn't have to see where we have fallen to

this world will never live as one- as long as we refuse to see every ONE as individual, unique, and accountable. Starting with the woman in the mirror.... me.

[kentuck]

33. Well..OK.

Let's agree that no one is perfect. No political Party is perfect. Is one Party better than the other at looking out for the nation as a whole, the poor as well as the rich? If you think both Parties are EVIL, WRONG, and IMMORAL, where is the difference in the Parties? Why are you a Democrat? Just curious?

[hfojvt]

36. honesty and personal integrity

do not seem to work in politics. If candidate X and candidate Y are in a debate and candidate X makes an error, or tells a lie, or admits a flaw, then candidate Y can use that in a smear campaign, to make themselves look better by comparison. This is especially true of Republicans - they have the resources to do the TV ads, and the media will be happy to investigate the Democrats' claims and personal faults for them. And because the newspaper/radio/TV is owned by Trump Inc. who happens to personally benefit from Republican policies, any equal opportunity investigation might be met with that infamous phrase "you're fired".

And step away from the hemlock and do not swallow your bile, because humankind is not an oxymoron (and because life without you is gonna be, bluerthanblue (did you make your username an earworm on purpose?)). I am a human (unless I am a super-human, but I am too modest to do more than suggest that (okay, I am not the end-all, be-all. I seem to have anger-management issues which may be tied to a caffeine addiction, and I am more than disorgandized, but I am studious, honest, and kind - or I strive to be more so) and I am kind, more often than not. Especially, when I think it might get me some "kind" of reward.

[hfojvt]

35. you made the usual misquote of Morrison

If that was your intent. It was "nobody here gets out alive".

I can see your points, about the flaws of everybody, and the error of the whole - "they" are all wrong viewpoint.

But there is truth in what Kentuck wrote, if he limited it to the current administration. It is an "absolute power corrupts absolutely" thing. Because they have the media in their pocket, because they are the majority and go in 97% lock-step, they do not have what forces most people to be honest - the fear of getting caught. Anytime they get caught, the Republican noise machine is like a band that launches into "The Stars and Stripes Forever" during the rebuttal part of the debate.

They have lied with impunity since the start of the Bush campaign in 1999, and they have discovered how to get away with it.

[Bluerthanblue]

49. i wasn't intending

to quote anyone- but thanks for the reference. And i'm not a 'bush' apologist- OR a bush apologist's apologist.
I simply believe that choosing to call a 'group' of people bad, because they are on the 'other side' and condemning ALL individuals as one, is wrong. When ANYONE does it. And I do advocate impeachment for bush and cheney and this whole corrupt administration.-
There are some democrats i find very hard to 'like'- but I'd be worse than a fool to toss the whole 'party' or judge us all on the actions of them- I support the ideals of the democratic party, and i disagree with the concepts promoted by the republican party but does that make me 'better'??? more worthy of life??? on some pedestal where i can look down upon those asshole 'idiots'? god, i sure hope not. Because most of what appeals to me about the democratic agenda would go out the window when i did that.

Yes, this administration has lied, and lied and lied- and their lies and bungling have cost many many people their lives, and lined the pockets of some 'insiders' with more money than i have words for- but that truth doesn't give me license to throw my own ethics to the wind-

Even if i COULD 'get away with it'- i wouldn't want to.-

And my life experiences have taught me that humans are the cruelest, most ruthless animals ever to live- made worse only by the fact that 'we' are supposed to be the 'intelligent' ones.- and cruelty and wrong is not something that one political party has the market on.

I'm not defending bush, by ANY stretch of the imagination. I'm not willing to use a broad brush upon a rather large group of people who don't hold the same political affiliation as i do- One on one, i'd explain exactly why i believe bush to be a bad leader, and a pretty shallow, sorry excuse for a 'man'- but i won't spread prejudice, and bigotry-

not even about my 'opponents'- not without addressing them individually.


blu

[TankLV]

45. No - REPUKES suc,.

This is a war and either you are a part of the solution or get out of the way.

NEVER EVER SAY ANYTHING GOOD ABOUT A REPUKE! NEVER!

We won't "win" shit if we continue to praise these sick evil bastards!

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

14. From Goebbels:

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."

[hfojvt]

38. Goebbels, however is a liar

and he left something out.
"the truth is the enemy of the State" he said, what he meant, or should have said was "the truth is the enemy of the FASCIST State".

That is why the Republican party is currently built on lies, because they are no longer the Republican party. At some point, they morphed into the American Fascist Party - they lead and they rule, they do not serve. They serve the elite, but not "the people". They do not believe in the American Revolution or the American Constitution. Again with the "them vs. us" thing, but I think that is true of the current Republican leadership. Part of what they do, is to try to make other Americans not believe in it either. To say that "the state" is always like that, that there is no difference between a fascist state and a democratic state, that states have never served the people, and that they never will. As Reagan said "Governement is the problem". Yet the founders wrote that they established this Government in order "to form a more perfect union, establish justice, ensure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity"

Also, I am doing a poor job of paraphrasing punpirate's latest article, so I refer you to that.

[B Calm]

17. So basically they're all suckers! They don't care as long as the

queers can't marry..

[kentuck]

19. No....some know it's a lie when they speak it...

many are deceived. That is my opinion.

[marcus_b]

20. Don't be so snoppy, and: This reminds me of a joke.

First the joke:

A rabbie and a catholic priest are talking about their Beliefs. The Rabbie says: "Oh come on, you with the New Testament, what's written in there, with the Perpetual Virginity and so, you can sense how it really was, how can you believe all that?" "OK," says the priest, "but you with the Old Testament, that they cut a steak out of Adam rips, and that they made a woman of that, that's ridiculous!" "Right," replies the rabbie, "with one difference. That was really so!"

Now seriously: Behind every successful deception and lie, there is some small amount of truth. The propaganda works because it is not completely false and ridiculous, but because it is carefully crafted to be fruitful if it lands on the right type of ground. There are some very important, honest and truthful conservative values. There are some valid ideas and goals within the typical republican. It's not all completely deception and lies, and greed is not the cornerstone of the philosophy. It's much more complicated than that.

Likewise, the progressive or left movement is not without its own set of deceptions and lies. Just to give one example: There are some very embarrassing conspiration theories which are a reoccuring theme, from Kennedy to 9/11. Remember that the FBI (I think) had an internal memo a couple of decades ago that from time to time, facts about the Kennedy case should be revealed to spur conspiration theories for distracting the left.

And we are maybe as suspectible to be tricked and betrayed by our own leaders as the conservatives are by theirs. We hold our own leaders by lower standards than the political enemy. Bill Clintons foreign policy is a good example. And who dares to really look behind some of Greenpeace's strategic alliances, for example with Nike, or with the olympic committee?

Now, we like to think that overall, in total, we are less brainwashed and have a "better" moral framework than the right wing. But I am not sure if it really makes sense to think in such categories. We all are struggeling against the ubiquitous propaganda from all sites. We figure some things out, and buy others. We believe in some values, and remain ignorants about those of others. I think it is very important, and enlightening, to try to understand _why_ the deceptions and lies fall on fruitful grounds in the conservative sector of the society, and I think it is also very important and enlightening to scrutinize our own beliefs frequently.

[kentuck]

21. I agree with statement of yours...

"Now, we like to think that overall, in total, we are less brainwashed and have a "better" moral framework than the right wing."

Do you think that is a false statement? If not, you may be eligible to join the DLC...

[marcus_b]

26. Obviously I do think it is correct.

Not sure what you are trying to say with the reference to the DLC.

If you read my posts, you will find out that I am very progressive and left, and yes, I do believe that I am less brainwashed than the right wing and that my moral framework is better than theirs.

This is almost too trivial to expand on. If I would think that I believe in some propaganda and know about somebody else who doesn't, I would try to find out what the truth is from them and change my view. Likewise, if I encounter a moral framework that convinces me more than the one I currently have, I adopt my framework to take into account the new judgements.

But note that this is not what sets me apart from conservative people. Obviously _they_ believe the same as I do, for the same reason!!! And from past experience, I can expect that I am, in some ways, brainwashed, and that my moral framework does contain errors, double standards, and inconsistencies.

For example, one thing I know is that I am quite biased in favor of my family members: I would not apply the same standard to strangers as to people in my family. I am inconclusive if this is a good thing or not, from what I know so far there are good arguments both ways, so for now I just try to keep in mind that I do have the bias and think about it from time to time.

[hfojvt]

39. except for one difference

that really was so.

The moral framework is a debatable question. However, Republicans such as Charles Grassley and Jim Ryun and Pat Roberts believe, or have told me that they believe a) the Bush tax cuts will increase revenue just like Reagan's, (I guess that is true if you realize that Reagan's didn't increase revenue either.) and b) the Bush tax cuts are not biased towards the rich.

Both I and those Republicans may believe that we are correct, but is there some way we can both be right, or are there facts in the matter? We may both believe the facts are on our side, but I have not seen any of their arguments or statistics that I cannot personally de-spin and rip to shreds.

Other issues are tricker, but as I have said about Bush (and would include Grassley, Ryun and Roberts) - if you will lie about math, you cannot be trusted about anything.

[marcus_b]

43. Maybe we are just talking about different things.

We have to make a distinction here. We need to decide if we talk about the Republican Party as the leaders of the Republican Party, the guys in Washington, the spin doctors, the radio hosts, etc. Or if we talk about the majority of the people in the Republican Party and those who associates themselves with them.

If we talk about the leadership, then yes, we find greed, we find deception, we find lies. We find deliberate propaganda. We find very conscious efforts to deceive many people. All that and more.

But if we talk about the people who are the target of this propaganda, then I don't think we find deliberate deception. I think we will find genuine values (family, self-responsibility, but also support of the needy, etc).

Yes, the truth matters. But only if you talk to the right people. The leadership of the republican party doesn't believe the facts are on their side. They do believe that the power is on their side, and that is enough for them. In fact, they hate and despise the truth. The truth is our most powerful tool to convince Republicans that they are being deceived and exploited for the goals of a few rich people.

So much about the Republicans. But I want to repeat and add, that some of this is also true for the Democratic leadership, which doesn't shy away from using propaganda to further their goals, and which are also not foreign to furthering the goals of a few rich people at the expense of the masses. They do it in a different way, they don't do it at this massive a scale, and they definitely do a lot more for the common people, but one should not think that all they say is the truth and the truth alone. Similar for what the base belief.

I find it quite difficult to talk about these complicated things in the very abstract. The initial post of this thread was already very broad and vague. So I think that any follow up should be accompanied by an explanation what actually the topic is we talk about :)

[kentuck]

27. I fyou don't think we have a better "moral" framework" ??

Then what keeps you from being a Republican??

[marcus_b]

41. No need to make it personal.

First, I don't. And second, it doesn't even matter what I think.

The point here is a different one. Namely, that a Republican would not even begin to agree with our representation of what their values are. If we say they are greedy, they would probably say that they are entitled to a hard work's loan. If we say they are heartless because they let the poor suffer, they would probably say that they just want to encourage self-responsibility.

Now, you can't really say that getting something back for hard work, or being responsible for oneself are "bad values", most people would agree they are rather good values. The difference is in the determination of facts, and the judgement about their relevance. And that is a delicate and wide area.

I do not believe that there are two (or more) different "groups" of people, evil ones and good ones. I believe that, except for a small pathologic minority, most people actually share the same fundamental values. I do not think that the cornerstone of the Republican Party is greed, nor do I think that they are built on deception and lies. As long as we are talking about the Republican Party as the majority of people in it. If we are only talking about the head of the Republican Party, then yes, we find greed and deception and lies and little else.

[kentuck]

50. Nothing personal, but are you a Democrat ?

Or just a secret admirer of Dubya?

[Just Me]

22. FALSE!!!!! There are many "former" Republicans that confront,...

,..those who are MISrepresenting their party!!!! :grr:

The REPUBLICAN PARTY has become foreign to them.

[kentuck]

23. What do they think their Party "should" stand for ??

Whatever corporations desire?

[TankLV]

47. Name some. I'd really like to know.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

24. I'd guess that 10,000,000 people benefit directly, or indirectly,

from the Republican scam. I'd also guess that the real money is going into the hands of less than 10,000 people.

I'd also guess that 175,000,000 people are getting fucked by them, not counting foreign countries.

Just guessing.

[marcus_b]

30. Difficult to say, unless you are more specific.

What do you consider to "benefit directly, or indirectly?".

Maybe one way to attack this question is to ask yourself the question if and how you benefitted from the Bush administration policies, and in general: From the US foreign policies in the last decades.

Here are some questions you could ask yourself: Do you have a computer and use the internet? The development of the computer and the internet was financed by the Pentagon, without any consideration to the "consumer" or "free market" (ie, without asking people if they really want that). So if you own a computer and use the internet, you may have profitted from the US military budget. Similar for other high-tech products.

Do you drink coffee or cacao, and is it cheap? Do you wear clothes manufactured in Mexico or China? Electronics from Taiwan? Then you may profit from the exploitation of cheap labor everywhere in the world. Actually, if you wear brand clothes, it may be expensive for you, and the major profit is ripped off by the company. But there is a huge amount of cheap non-brand products which are sold in the US and Europe.

Now, the killer. What about oil? The gas prices in the US are low, low, low. Maybe you find it hard to believe that, because it has risen in recent years. But it is still unbelievable low. Way too low if you consider it just that "who causes ecological damage pays to clean up behind him", becasuse the oil price does not include any costs for fixing up the environmental damage we cause. So, if you use products made from plastic, or drive a car, you benefit from the Bush policies in a major way.

It's really very hard to avoid profitting from this corrupt system. I grant you that there is a difference between profitting in the above ways, and running a cable network like FOX. But to some extent we should face the fact that "we get what we pay for" in addition to "we get what we fight for". OTOH, of course, because Bush also takes the money out of your pocket if you are already middle-class or poor, there is less and less money to vote with, and voting with your money does not lead to effective social change in the long run. You have to bite the hand, even if it feeds you.

[ArkDem]

31. Profound.

[ComerPerro]

32. That's the trouble with the Republicans, exactly

Their entire philosophy is based on a lie.

The problem with "not having the courage to admit" something goes far beyond this though.

The GOP seems completely unwilling to ever stand up and admit a hard truth. They instead just go on with their own new, more user-friendly reality because its easier to swallow.

Then, when the shit hits the fan, they blame us for "attacking" and "political rhetoric".

[Cats Against Frist]

34. No.

You're assuming by saying that the GOP thinks "everyone can be a millionaire," that they would actually want everyone to be a millionare. These guys are not naive. They know how capital works -- that the concentrated wealth of investment, of the backs of labor, requires not only worker bees, but a government willing to stabilize society enough so that their highway robbery is legitimized.

I hate it when people continue to spread the idea that the GOP really wants smaller government. They do not. They want their own brand of authoritarianism, social engineering, selective rights and control over the money. They don't want to shrink the size of GOVERNMENT, they want to shrink the size of any part of the goverment that favors taking any money out of the private sector, or the military part of government.

It is only the sheep of the GOP who believe that they "might someday" be like their GOP overlords. And lords they are -- true nobility, American style, with philosophical connections to both the pre-Enlightenment king and the corrupt church at his right hand.

Now, you're right in that they TELL their devotees that they care, and only they are working toward freedom, etc. This message has been first, however, filtered, and focus-grouped through the Ivory Tower of the right -- the think tanks AND YES, the neocons and wingnuts that, despite the whining, very much exist in universities -- as well as the fake universities that the right has concocted. The freeptards don't know that these places exist -- and, when you tell them, they dismiss it as "liberal propoganda," -- as if an elementary survey of the Internet can't come up with information on Strauss, his followers, the neocons, the noble lie, Heritage, AEI, and any number of think tanks.

The freeps are so worried about what the "liberal elite," think of them, they're too pre-occupied to realize that it is really their own leaders who hold the greatest contempt for them, and view them with the greatest disgust -- animals, with brain cells too small to comprehend basic human truths. I sometimes chuckle, and sometimes get depressed about this. If only their self-esteem would let them invest some critical thinking in "grey areas," where they could potentially balance different opinions -- this world would be a better place.

The freeps don't hate government, either -- evidenced by the lockstep support of the most corrupted party apparatus in American history, that is willing to sell them out to corporations, and bait them with culture war, all so the top percentage can concentrate more wealth, waste more tax dollars on the military-industrial complex and take away their civil rights.

It's fucking pathetic. But don't ever say they don't like government. They love it. Big government, right-wing style.

[kentuck]

37. And what does this have to do with lies and deception ?

Or is it self-deception??

Otherwise, right on!

[TankLV]

48. They stand for NOTHING. They only stand for THEMSELVES.

If they see a state that prevents them from doing what they want, they scream how they're all for the feds (abortion, 2000 election, gay rights, medical maryjay, etc.)

If they see fed regulations that prevent them from doing what they want, they all cry "states rights" (Civil Rights laws, federal abortion rights laws, etc.)

They change their justifications so frequently they give a new meaning to "flipflop".

[lateo]

40. The government isn't their enemy...they love government..

hell, they hire all their friends to come and work with them in it.

42. Don't criticize bush for what he was hired to do - article

good article from SF Chronicle - very funny and true.

"But it's so unfair, isn't it, to attack poor Dubya like this? After all, Bush has always been the rich white man's president. He is the CEO president, the megacorporate businessman's friend, the thug of the religious right, a big reservoir-tipped condom for all energy magnates."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/09/09/DDGKGEJUMH1.DTL

[txaslftist]

46. WRONG!

The Republican party does not think government is the enemy. They love government. Government is a tool the Republicans use to make it easier for them to acquire tons of money at the expense of those poor Democrats.

You think Haliburton hates gummint? Shit. Who just got the two most lucrative government contracts ever put together?

Who pays the majority of taxes, either as a percentage of income or as a percentage of the budget? It sure ain't rich republicans.