have any bible believing white males here ever been discriminated against?

[pstokely]

Savage Weiner claims they are

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

1. Do you mean other than people

believing, a priori, that a bible believing white male has never been discriminated against?

God, I'm just a nuissance tonight. Sorry.

[JVS]

5. LOL good one

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

2. Never been discriminated against because of my belief

(that I can recall). Discrimination in other non-religious areas, yes, but that sort of thing is inevitable in life. It's not a concept I plan to lose sleep over.

[QC]

3. There's more to oppression than race and sex.

Working-class people of every description get shit on every day.

Assuming that oppression is always based on race and sex but never on class misses a lot of the picture and alienates the white working class, a mighty big group of voters.

Do I think that white Christian men are routinely singled out for discrimination because they are white Christian men? No, of course not. But I do think that setting up the whole argument solely in terms of race and sex is a losing game for the left.

[devarsi]

4. Twice

Once, in Hawaii, where I found it difficult to get jobs outside of the tourist industry if you were white, and once in San Francisco, where I worked for a far left leaning company, and was passed over for a promotion. The overly PC department manager then promoted a less experienced and less qualified person, who also happened to be a lesbian. I believe he thought it was a sort of affirmitive action.

In Hawaii, I coped by working in tourism. In SF, I took a lateral promotion to another department, where I had no trouble moving ahead based on my contributions to the company, not my sexual preferences.

I guess that everyone can be the victim of biased behavior, but I would say that the average white man is more often on the wrong side of that issue.

[JVS]

6. Yes

When the Ottoman Turks occupied the Balkans from the 16th to 20th century. There were almost definitely some white christian Serbs who were discriminated against in some manner. The Ottomans were rather tolerant occupiers, but to be a first class citizen one had to be a muslim, either by birth or conversion.

[papau]

14. Ottomans were rather tolerant occupiers? - A child tax is tolerant?

Taking a blue eyed baby/child from a village as a "tax" so as to force the kid to be gay, and to then fight as a Janisary (sp) is tolerant? Converting church after church to mosques, fees and taxes only for thos that were not Turk, do not look a Turk in the eye, get off the sidewalk if a Turk is coming, do not annoy a Turk under penalty of whipping or hanging (the difference being where you anoyed him - in front of a Mosque is very bad).

It is amazing how much the Greeks have forgiven the Turks for - but then the reality is that we are talking parents and grandparents and not the guy in front of you - and like right of return - one must move on if you are to a have a reasonable life.

[bleedingheart]

16. but remember Christians weren't so nice to fellow christians

remember the Muslim Turks would not have gained the strongholds they did if not for the greedy Venetian Doge who sacked the christian city of Constantinople out of sheer greed... weakening the old Roman Empire

[JVS]

31. Tolerant as in not genocidal

[Dead_Parrot]

7. They are in Belfast...

...by other bible believing white males, for believing in it the wrong way. I never did figure that one out. :crazy:

[QC]

8. "I never did figure that one out."

No mystery at all.

It just demonstrates yet again that there is more to oppression, fear, hatred, prejudice, etc. than just race and sex.

If we Lefties can manage to rediscover class and stop dismissing religion as psychosis, we just might start taking the country back.

[Darth_Kitten]

10. If the Right-Wingers can just forget about "class"

and stop USING religion as psychosis, then America would be a nicer place. :) :crazy: :nuke:

[QC]

12. "If drunk, horny fraternity boys would just forget about sex 'n beer...."

Why on earth would the Right ever want to abandon class? The preservation of class privilege is their entire reason for being.

You might as well ask boll weevils to stay off the cotton or Mormons to keep from going door to door.

This is the Right's great advantage over us--they still remember that money talks and bullshit walks. Meanwhile we piss away our time fighting each other.

[jafap]

9. maybe I am just paranoid

Also I cannot claim the Bible-believing part.
One company where I was a temp for three years was explicit about their desire to hire more women and minorities, but they also did lots of their hiring by nepotism. Also, my MA could put me in some "over-qualified" category.
I owned a bookstore for seven years, but cannot seem to get an interview at the local library. I notice that there are no men working there. Coincidence? Maybe I will try a female name on my next app, see if I get a call.
When I read "Black like me" it seemed like he attributed every job he did not get to racism. That did not seem warranted since I have failed to get many a job.

[Loonman]

11. In their minds, maybe

Classic freeper Strawman.

[WoodrowFan]

13. sure

but not often, and not to the degree that a non-white or female or non-Christian often are.

(In my case it was from a black woman who didn't trust whites, minor incident, no lasting harm except for a bit of anger that she thought the worst of me only because I was white)

[noonwitch]

15. As a white female, I was once denied a job

I applied for a job with a Detroit area mental health program. I drove 145 miles for an interview, only to be told that the agency wanted a black male for the job. I told the interviewer that that didn't bother me, but that I did drive all the way and they new at the very least that I was a female.
4 months later, I got a much better job with the state, where I still work 16 years later.

[Dirty Hippie]

17. The WORST type of discrimination

is discrimination against older people. I am involved in adult job training and I am responsible for job placement. I've placed hundreds of people over the years. I seen discrimination of all types but the worst by far is discrimination against older workers. And yes, it happens to white males.

[Nobody]

24. I once had a boss that told me

he'd never hire another person over the age of 40. He and the one guy over 40 in the shop didn't get along.

This was a very young and inexperienced manager.

The company is now out of business.

[JVS]

40. That sucks

I hate businesses that discriminate against people who are in the middle of their working lives. Unemployment can be so much more disruptive to your life when you are 40 than when you are straight out of college.

[leesa]

18. Does the Savage Weiner pretend to be a christian???

That's a little too far over the edge.

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[maxanne]

20. oh boy

1. no - but I don't care for fundamentalists of any ilk.

2. YES

3. conservative straw argument - and not well framed. Aren't we dependent as hell on the government to protect us right now from everyone else in the world that we're pissing off? What about corporate welfare? Let's cut the cord on the corporate hand outs, and deny off shore accounts.

4. A military that can't account for trillions of dollars is not a good thing. A military that sucks up 47% of the national budget (but can't seem to successfully take over and occupy third world countries) is not a good thing.

5. Corporate America is killing democracy.

6. School vouchers will not work in rural areas. Public education needs some attention - how 'bout some of that bloated Pentagon funding going to take care of those kids we claim to value so much.

7. White people are not discriminated against. Whites are the dominant race in the USA - or had you failed to notice that? Take a look at the racial makeup of the Congress, Senate, White House, and Supreme Court.

Women are discriminated against. What do you think about that darkjuggernaut?

[TheDonkey]

29. wow

Liberals don't hate religious people. Liberals are more worldly and respectful as a whole to ALL religions than most conservatives (who cradle just one religion) imo. There are religious liberals who love God, and there are non-religious liberals and that's a good thing to have both.

This government is by the people and FOR the people. Not just a few individual elites who can take advantage of us with out worry.

Corporate America (ie capitalism) is good when it is being closely monitered and there is heavy competition. But when monopolies and greedy conservatives are allowed to flourish and restrict our access and benefit does it become bad (which it seems to be rapidly going in that direction).

As for school vouchers. They don't work. Unless you have the money and the opputrunty to ship off to a private school while straining an under funded public school sytem even further.

Race prefrences are created to make an equal playing field. If it was not so noticeable the extreme inequality african americans suffer (as well as other minorities) then it wouldn't be an agrument. But in 2003 things are only slightly better. Hopefully there will be a time that diversity and equal oppurtunity won't have to be pursued because it will be as natural as mowing the lawn.

[Blue_Chill]

21. Yes

I am a white hispanic, whiter then most white americans, I have the green eyes and light brown hair to go along with my glowing skin. I happen to believe the bible serves a purpose in this world.

Yes I have been discriminated against.

I rolled with minority groups in highschool, being that I enjoyed hanging out with other Latinos. I can't tell you how many fights I got into just because someone didn't like the fact that I had pale skin. I've even been jumped by a group of people because while they 'looked hispanic' (by US standards) they were born in G-town and couldn't speak the language. The fact that I was white, spoke the like a true sur americano and was born in a place so far south that santa wears shorts, made them realise that regardless of what you may look like, if your born in the US you are American. So I got my ass kicked.

Not the kind of discrimination against whites you were looking for is it? But believe me, anything that makes YOU the 'different one' in a group, makes you the most likely to be discriminated against. It doesn't matter what color you are, as long as your particular color happens to be the most rare in your situation.

[Nobody]

25. I despair for the human race if we don't learn to get along

I'm one of those odd-looking people that has been mistaken for Latina and Middle Eastern, yet my family tree started in northern Europe and eastern Europe in the Slavic countries. I've traveled abroad and have been told by the locals that I don't look American.

The point here is that people mistrust that which is different. Look at how much those who have the most hate and do the most discriminating are the ones who would force the most conformity.

And even if you DO conform, there will still be something different about you that that kind of person can use an excuse.

[Mari333]

22. WEENIE

is just mad because MSNBC dumped his sorry ass..I wrote them months ago and told them..DONT HIRE SAVAGE U IDIOTS
they didnt listen, and , of course, we were all right, as usual

Savage is a caricature of the "angry white male" and he knows it sells well...Follow the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and you will see why he does what he does..(adolescent whining and rage amongst these types is very popular these days.)

http://365gay.com/NewsContent/071003savageRadio.htm
http://www.michaelsavagesucks.com/

[Terwilliger]

23. ah hah....ah hahh....ahhhhahahahahahahahhahahahhahahahaaahahahahaha

oh sorry...sheesh, I guess some people don't have ANY perspective :eyes:

[sangh0]

26. Yes

I've been told that anyone who believes in God is unqualified for employment.

[Terwilliger]

28. hahahahahah

ahhhhhhahahahahahahahahahahahaah

[Brian Sweat]

27. Yes, I discriminate against them all the time.

[sangh0]

30. How about minorities?

Do you discriminate against them all the time? How about homosexuals? The aged?

[Brian Sweat]

33. No, I only discriminate against people who worship

invisible cloud beings. Theology is not genetic, it is choice.

[JVS]

38. Like Jews?

[Brian Sweat]

41. I do not discriminate against people because they are Jewish

I discriminate against them because they believe in fairy tales.

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[Blue_Chill]

45. So would you mind if I called you a bigot?

Bigot - One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=bigot

[Brian Sweat]

47. Not at all

Go wild.

[sangh0]

51. You worship "cloud beings"?

because the Bible says nothing about "cloud beings"

[Blue_Chill]

44. I was thinking the same thing!

LoL!

I wonder if he would like water fountains to be designated for "fairy cloud beings" and for "atheist"

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[Blue_Chill]

50. I would think it wrong

If you refused to hire anyone for any reason that has nothing at all to do with the job. Just like people refuse to hire gays, muslims, atheists, etc etc. That attitude of "if you aren't born that way then I am free to discriminate against you" creates nothing but hate.

[Name removed]

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[Kazak]

32. Yeah...

by me. Freakin' thumpers...

[JVS]

37. That is not a very Unitarian remark

If you must call christians "Freakin' thumpers" perhaps you should change you Avatar to a symbol of a less tolerant group.

[ibegurpard]

34. Not that I'm aware of.

I can't recall a situation where my religious beliefs have ever been questioned in such a way that I could be discriminated against. As far as I know, it's illegal to ask questions like that when you are interviewing for jobs.
Incidentally, I don't believe the Bible is the literal word of God but I do believe in God. Also, I'm gay and I've never experienced any discrimination that I'm aware of for that reason either.

[justicebuilder]

35. Everyone is discriminated against

What's important is the degree, the type, the source of discrimination. Some discrimination is crucial to the proper functioning of society.

When my car is broken down I take it to a mechanic, not a pastry chef. That's discrimination, but it doesn't hurt anyone. I hang out mostly with people who speak English as their first or second language (it's the only language I speak with any competency.) That's discrimination but it's natural and unavoidable.

The bank discriminates against poor people with bad credit; in fact they are required by law to do so, and properly so. However, other types of discrimination by banks can be harmful.

Context is key. Screamers like Savage and Limbaugh thrive in the absence of context.

jb

[Mari333]

36. Savage Weiner wants a world

where the Eloi can live in peace, and he can have all the foodstuffs he wants, unless the Morlocks come and take him away.





SAVAGE FINDS SOMEONE TO SHARE HIS WEENA

[mitchtv]

42. I think. emphasize think, My partner and I

got a house that a staight family wanted.they signed a contract, we put down a deposit, the agent was unwilling to dawdle around with the staights, immediately gave them a deadline ; and sold to us when they missed it.

[JohnKleeb]

48. I've been condemned for my liberal views on Christianity yes

As many of you may know I am Catholic but I call myself CINO-Catholic In Name Only because I consider myself more Uniterian than Catholic yet I do still consider myself Catholic. Now we got a fair sized Catholic population in the neighborhood some of the kids go to private Catholic school unlike me and many of them are just about the most right wing you'll see. I forget some of the stuff because it hasnt happened in a while but I have been told that I could be headed for hell if I have prematrial sex. Its funny and I dont know much honestly about doctrines and stuff to be honest but the way some of these Catholics act make me think and remember I call myself CINO made me think I that I could be more Catholic in them even though they were raised Catholic and I was raised by not that religious Catholics. Its funny they sound like Southern Baptists to me at times yet they have a mild bigotry for Protestants yet they sound like conservative protestants not Catholics. Its a strange world. I have also been condemned for my views on abortion too. Its a shame really being that many of these kids are my friends.

[JCMach1]

49. I don't carry a bible and I am not a Freeper

by any stretch of the imagination, but it does happen.

It has happened to me on a couple of occasion when up for jobs in academia. The dirty little secret is that most universities and colleges did interpret Affirmative Action as a quota system.

Frequently when jobs were posted Deans would say things like hire a minority or woman. I have had several occasions where I did campus interviews and WAS EXACTLY what they were looking for only to find out later that the search was renewed or 'they went in a different direction.'

Having said that, I haven't experienced anything that minorities haven't experienced over the course of our history. And yes, I still support Affirmative Action. Like so many things, it is how it is interpreted and implemented.

[Mari333]

52. you bet

THEY TOOK MY GUN AWAY AND IM MAD AS HELL