NYPD & NY FBI Say Credible Threat; Feds Deny It > Was Bush Going to LIHOP?

[Stephanie]

There are only two options. Bloomberg is wrong or DHS is wrong.

Is Bloomberg hyping the threat to help him in the upcoming mayoral election? He chickened out of a debate with Ferrer last night. Is he using this as a distraction?

OR

Is the threat real, but BushCO is in such deep shit they thought they'd just let this one slide, like they did the first time. "LIHOP 2"

They hate New York. They wouldn't mind if a few of us got blown up again, if it helped George's poll numbers and distracted from all the scandals.

So which is it? Who do you believe?

I walked to work today, just in case.

NYC Commuters Head to Work Despite Threat

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The New York Police Department boosted existing measures to search for bombs in commuters' bags, brief cases and luggage. The threat also involved the possibility that terrorists would pack a baby stroller with a bomb, a law enforcement official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing.

The official said the threat was "specific to place," and that the window for the attack was anywhere from Friday through at least the weekend.

In Washington, Homeland Security Department spokesman Russ Knocke said "the intelligence community has concluded this information to be of doubtful credibility. We shared this information early on with state and local authorities in New York." Knocke did not elaborate.

A counterterror official, who was briefed about the threat by Homeland Security authorities and spoke on condition of anonymity, said the intelligence did not reflect "on-the-ground, detailed, re-surveillance" methods consistent with credible information. Rather, the official said, the intelligence was similar to "what can be found on the Internet and a map of New York City."

The law enforcement official in New York said that city officials had known about the threat at least since Monday, but held the information until two or three al-Qaida operatives were arrested in Iraq within the past 24 hours. Once the arrests were made, officials felt they could go public, the official said.

Those arrested had received explosives training in Afghanistan, the same official said Friday. They had planned to travel through Syria to New York, and then meet with an unspecified number of operatives to carry out the bombings.

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[sasquatch]

1. "LIHOP"?

:shrug:

[tgnyc]

4. Let It Happen on Purpose

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

5. Let It Happen On Purpose

one possible scenerio of what actually happened on 9/11/01

[blitzen]

2. Third option: coordinated BS

BushCo is behind the alert, but denies it so that it looks like a legit (non-political) alert

[GreenPartyVoter]

6. That's got my vote for the moment. A true LIHOP would cost

a lot of money that they don't have. (Not that old SilverSpoon would care about that.)

[Dr.Phool]

9. When did they ever worry about money we don't have?

They're letting our grandkids pay for everything now.

[GreenPartyVoter]

14. Because people are starting to get really mad about money matters

in this country. If the anger over the money outweighs the fear of the terra event, they haven't gained a thing.

[Arkansas Granny]

7. Could be. Especially after Bush referred in his "speech" yesterday

to the attacks that they had foiled since 9/11. Then again, maybe Bush just didn't want Bloomberg stealing his thunder.

[No Exit]

35. BINGO!!!!

His minions must be reading the net--scorn is being heaped on his wolf-crying, so he's sheepishly passing the blame onto Bloomberg.

[Atman]

3. To the GOP, NYC is a bigger sin palace than New Orleans

And it's virtually ALL democrats. What harm would a little tube explosion do if it helps The Party, eh?

[dretceterini]

8. I think the story

is a Bushco plant

[Stephanie]

10. As James Baker said, "Fuck the Jews, they don't vote for us anyway."

Same goes for the city.

[whatever4]

15. I agree with that

Plus, I can see that the locals would be a little more reluctant to allow a few (few hundred, few thousand) people to die just so this admin can convince us of the terror threat, to convince us to "follow".

I know that New York set up it's OWN counter-terrorism effort, and they're QUITE serious about it. It's well funded and they have a will to stop further attacks from ANYONE. I think, maybe, they're not playing along, and do not work and play well with the feds.

I think NY caught onto a plan of the feds, and busted it, probably went to the media, and THANK GOD the media took it up. That's my very humble, but stubborn, opinion.

Thank you media people. Even if it's just 6 men that own it all. Thank you for changing your minds, no matter what your motivations were. Thank you for not wanting to see most of us dead, us ordinary Americans everywhere. We appreciate it. We'll even keep watching, if you keep doing that truth stuff. Promise. Swear. Swear on my life.

[Kota]

11. I think homeland security was gonna call a terror threat when

the indictments came down, New York beat them to it.Or they just wanted to be the ones to declare it and get credit, so now its not credible and neither is the FBI.

[Virginian]

34. Or maybe...

Bushco got Bloomberg to call it so that it wouldn't look like a Washington smoke screen over the indictments.

[Stephanie]

36. Bloomberg is an absolute whore for Bush so that's a possiblity

But why would DHS downplay it? That's what I still don't get.

[bunny planet]

38. Actually Bloomberg is pretty pissed off at * because of the way he

reneged on most of the money promised to NYC after 9/11 and the way the Homeland Security funding was set up. Wyoming, with six people besides Darth Cheney gets the same amount of terra protection money allocated as the 9 million citizens of NYC. Bloomberg never misses a chance to point that out. I don't think he likes Jr. all that much. The idea that Bloomie decided to take the wind out of *'s terror sails,alerting the public earlier, when * planned to have this announced same day as indictments, makes sense to me.

[Stephanie]

40. Could be right

I'm still pissed about how he handed over the city to the bush re-coronation convention last summer.

[Virginian]

41. They must be out of the loop on the politics of terrorism.

Maybe there is a slight threat. Dept of Homeland Security knows there is not a significant threat. Bush gets Bloomie to push the severity of the threat as cover for the indictments that might be handed down soon.

[mattclearing]

12. Feds: "Not credible, yet."

They only decide if something's credible after shit starts blowing up.

[Stephanie]

21. This is the first time I remember them DENYING a threat was credible

It's usually the other way around. The only time they've done it before was in hindsight, when they said the August 6 PDB did not alarm them, that it was "historical in nature."

I have convinced myself they were going to LIHOP us again.

[mattclearing]

22. It's not a matter of if, but when.

Nothing worries me more than seeing these people backed into a corner.

[Stephanie]

30. I just wish they'd pick on somebody else for a change

We're exhausted in NYC.

[mattclearing]

31. You guys are the liberal hotbed.

It's everything they hate...multicultural, Democratic, hedonistic, undeniably superior to other cities. Just listen to Ann Coulter talk about New York like it's freaking Nazi Berlin.

[Stephanie]

32. And yet I think she lives here!

If it was really an Al Queda threat, don't you think they would have figured out by now that we hate Bush too? If it's BushCO fucking with us then of course they go for NY. But Al Queda? Why don't they mess with TX instead.

[mattclearing]

33. Exactly.

Nothing "Al Qaeda" does ever makes any sense unless you look at them as a means to an end for the neocon agenda.

[bunny planet]

37. Maybe the BFEE wants us to stop taking security alerts seriously so

we will be taken off guard again if and when an attack happens again. I'm a New Yorker, don't trust a thing Bushco. says.

[Rabrrrrrr]

13. Yep, Fuckstick needs another LIHOP to boost his ratings

He realizes that when the people aren't afraid, they realize what a fucking useless fuckstick he is.

I'll trust the word of the NYPD and the NY FBI over fuckstick's people any day.

[Stephanie]

17. That's what I'm thinking

And I talked to a cop last night who told me NYPD has intel units in every major city.

[tlsmith1963]

26. When I'm Afraid...

...I *still* think Bush is useless. What is he going to do about that?

Tammy

[buff2]

16. Just like all the other "threats",it's political

Repukes are in deep trouble and the threat of an attack gets the news off of their troubles and back on scaring the sheep.They are all using this to pull themselves out of the hole they've gotten themselves into. Bu$h is the ring leader in this,it's just too much of a coincidence that this boogie man threat pops up just hours after his terra speech. Keith Olberman said this has happened THIRTEEN times and it has him mighty suspicious of this as well. These bastards will do ANYTHING to cover their asses. ANYTHING. :grr:

[Stephanie]

18. Doesn't explain why DHS is pooh-poohing it

If anything Chertoff would be hyping this. Unless they thought a hit would be better for them than a mere threat.

[bklyncowgirl]

25. Maybe DHS is out of the loop. nt

[brainshrub]

19. I'm willing to give Bloomburg the benefit of the doubt.

It's not like he's done this a whole lot. Better to err on the side of caution.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

20. I'm glad you walked to work

I hope all New Yorkers follow your example! Even if this is a hoax. I want all of you to remain safe!

[Roland99]

23. More like Bloomberg making some political hay.

[AlGore-08.com]

24. A similar thing happened out here in Cali when Gray Davis was still Gov.

Davis publicly announced a credible threat to bridges and ports in the state (if I remember right) and DHS publicly dissed him, called the intel bogus.

At the time I thought it was part of their campaign to kneecap Davis (they spent an awful lot of time and effort denying him fed services and money so that the next GOPer who ran for Gov. would have an automatic platform), but now I think it's just that they're so freaking arrogant that they don't believe anybody but them can be trusted to figure out what's a credible threat and what isn't.

[bklyncowgirl]

27. Bloomberg screwed up their timing--or maybe they're just screwups

Let's say the intelligence services knew that this terror cell was planning to bomb the NYC subway and that Bushco was planning make a heroic series of arrests right before the whole thing went down to boost his ratings or if worse came to worse and the attack happened he could play the hero again and revive the war on terror--not to mention his poll ratings.

Hell it's only New Yorkers.

Bloomberg's maybe a little less willing to let a few hundred innocent registered NYC voters die so that Bush can be a hero and so's the NY FBI office. Bloomberg orders the NYPD into action. DHS says "What terrorist threat" They look like idiots.

As for DHS, I believe that that if this scenario is correct, they were out of the loop.

The other possibility is that DHS is just incompetent.

Incompetent or evil? That's always the question with this gang.

[Stephanie]

28. Well DHS was aware but says not credible

It just doesn't make sense for BushCO to downplay this. They hype every threat. Unless they thought it was time for another LIHOP. This is what's making the most sense to me right now.

[bklyncowgirl]

29. LIHOP makes sense to me too but so does incompetence.

What's interesting is that Bloomberg may have blown the whole thing. With the NYPD on alert, it's pretty unlikely that any attack is going to happen and the conspirators--if they exist--have probably scattered by now.

[jumptheshadow]

39. Another option

Perhaps the NY cops cross-indexed information from the Feds with data they have but aren't sharing. Perhaps they don't trust the Feds.

Believe me, the cops were serious today.

I am in agreement with everybody else who trusts New York's intelligence much more than anything that comes down from the Bush administration.

[Stephanie]

43. a cop friend told me NYPD has intel units all over the world

in every major city. and yeah, he was taking this one seriously.

[YouthInAsia]

42. WAAAAAY too coincidental for me. Bu$h just HAPPENS to have

his little terrorist speech today in an effort to rescare the american sheep into following him blindly and on the SAME DAY as this pathetic speech, there's a "highly credible threat" in, where else, NYC. I dont belive it for one szecond. Nor, however, do I doubt that these scum in our own govt would blow up a few subway stations THEMSELVES in order to get the Sheep back in tow. Bu$h is desperate. And the ONLY thing he has been able to rely on over the last 5 years has been his ability to scare people with threats of terrorism

[holeinthedonut]

44. Terrorist won't do anything right now, we killing ourselves

why on earth would they give George another Cause Celebre' behind which he can herd the scared masses? They do anything, George calls his scared masses back behind his protection sheild and he goes on doing his thing while the hypercrite kool-aid drinkers hold him on a pedestal.

They stay on the downlow and Bush co, falls into a pile of lies and deceit and corruption and greed and averice and hubris and other stuff.

Terrorist are not as stupid as the average american.

[rocktivity]

45. TORO TURD!!!

...Homeland Security officials in Washington said the threat was of "doubtful credibility."

...(C)ity officials had known about the threat at least since Monday, but held the information until two or three al-Qaida operatives were arrested in Iraq within the past 24 hours. Once the arrests were made, officials felt they could go public...

But why go public with information that DHS told you wasn't credible, Mayor Bloomberg? To give President Potty Stop a "weapon of mass distraction" from his poorly received speech and Karl Rove's new legal probems? Or to give yourself a "legitimate" excuse for backing out of that debate in Harlem?

:headbang:
rocknation

[halobeam]

46. LOL! President Potty Stop....

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[jumptheshadow]

47. I repeat

The NY Police have a better intelligence unit than the Feds.

And perhaps they aren't sharing information with the Feds because, frankly, they don't trust them and they think they are a pack of incompetents.