If Rove is indicted won't Bush pardon him?

[romantico]

I mean, you all know when Bush's time comes, he's gonna pardon people like you've never seen before. If Rove is found guilty, won't Bush pardon him?

[Eric J in MN]

1. Yes. One of a whole bunch of pardons between

Nov 2008 and Jan 2009.

[stepnw1f]

2. Are You Asking or Telling?

Because you pretty much seem to believe he will.

[No Exit]

3. If Rove were convicted and Bush pardoned him, I would welcome it

because that would be something the repukelican candidates of the future would have a very hard time living down. They all claim allegiance to the same rotten party that Bush is a member of.

[Canuckistanian]

4. That depends whether Rove stays in the WH

IF he's convicted, THEN pardoned, THEN remains in his office in the WH, there'll be Hell to pay.

So, Rove might be out even if pardoned, which is the best outcome anyways, right?

[No Exit]

14. Since they're still at the grand jury stage, any possible

conviction would come near or after the end of *'s term, I think.

Then *, on his way out, would do the usual pardons, slipping Rove's (and Abramoff's and maybe DeLay's) into the bunch.

Remember the huge furor after Clinton pardoned Marc Rich? It's still brought up by wingnuts when they want to smear the democratic party...

If Rove is convicted while * is still in office, I think the trial defense and all that would go into the trial would effectively put Rove on the sidelines whether he were formally fired or not.

Oh, and remember, Shrub said he'd fire any WH staffer who did this crime, right? If he didn't fire a convicted Karl, he'd look like mud even more than he has this week. (Which is fine with me.)

[jamesinca]

5. I believe he would pardon him in Nov '08

Before then would cost him the House and Senate. It may happen anyway with or without help from Bush, but he won't take that gamble. He won't do it in '07 because that would ensure that a Bush wannabe like Rudy or maybe even his brother, or Frist will be sunk for '08. All of his programs will get reversed if he does it before the announcement of the election results in '08. He will get nothing through congress if he does it before then and his approval rating will sink lower than it is. Even though he does not care about rating and focus groups, it will be hard to get the country to believe that congress is a bunch of obstructionist liberals if he should do this. Congress would be, IMO, viewd as standing up to the corrupt little bastard, not as obstructionist liberals. Once the election results are announced in Nov'08, he has nothing to lose. But if Karl were locked up, George is to stupid to figure this out by himself and may pardon him the day after the conviction and sentancing is handied down. Karl was off spending time with his family, or having Kidney stones removed during Katrina and look what happened.

[Disturbed]

7. A trial then appeals.

That could take years. Might even be after shrub is out and can't pardon anyone.

[longship]

10. The new president won't take office until Jan 09.

nt

[politicaholic]

6. He gave Bremer & Tenent Medals of Freedom for God's Sake!

He couldn't give a shit what people think.

[Solly Mack]

8. Yep

[longship]

9. No. No. No. No. No.

Chimpy cannot do that. (And no! Bush Sr. did *not* do it for Iran-Contra either. Those were pardons of crimes committed during the previous adminstration.)

If Chimpy did try such a thing it would be a grievous abuse of power which would result in either fast impeachment or a crisis of the likes we have not seen since the Civil War.

Many of us want the impeachment, but there's always a danger of the crisis. We don't know what will happen when the rule of law in this country breaks down to the point that a president can write his own get out of jail free card. It will not be a pretty sight. It is certainly not anything I want to go through.

Chimpy has already committed enough crimes for him to be impeached, tried, and convicted. But I am very afraid of this one in particular. It would mean the end of rule of law in this republic.
:scared: :scared: :scared:

[Kenroy]

11. Huh?

He'll pardon on his last day in office. No impeachment, no repercussions....

[longship]

12. Well before then his cronies may be in jail.

And if he isn't impeached in 2007, we're in big trouble.

[Perky]

13. WILL not HAPPEN

First he said he would fir any one convicted of leaking

Secondly. he would be excoriated in the press and by many in his own party.

This would be a line you do not cross...Not when operatives are in harms way it wouold set a huge ugly precednt and Inhofe and McCain would take him to a very public woodshed.

[longship]

15. I agree with you on this.

But tell the bunch of DUers who are always suggesting that Chimp will pardon himself, Rove, Cheney and anybody else they can think of. It's naive to think that they would be allowed to get away with such a thing. It's a wreckless abuse of power.