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Lori Price CLG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 01:51 PM
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To President Gore:
Gore: "It's almost as if America has entered 'an alternate universe'" --Text of President Al Gore's remarks at the We Media conference on Wednesday in New York 07 Oct 2005 "I came here today because I believe that American democracy is in grave danger. It is no longer possible to ignore the strangeness of our public discourse. I know that I am not the only one who feels that something has gone basically and badly wrong in the way America's fabled 'marketplace of ideas' now functions. How many of you, I wonder, have heard a friend or a family member in the last few years remark that it's almost as if America has entered 'an alternate universe?'" (To President Gore: Right, democracy is in 'grave danger,' (as all of us predicted would happen, back in December 2000). So, instead of the passionate *surrender speech* you gave when you 'offered your concession' in December 2000 (F*ck that!), you should have called for an overturn of the 2000 coup d'etat, *by any means necessary.* Yes, you may have lost your career, but thousands of lives (indeed, the human race itself) may have been saved. -LRP)

Lori Price
http://www.legitgov.org/index.html#breaking_news
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 02:04 PM
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1. Yes, Civil War #2, I am all for that.
Twenty Million dead Americans, but at least Bush would not be in power.:sarcasm:
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Lori Price CLG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 02:11 PM
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3. It may not have come to that. BTW, how many will have died...
when Bush's reign is (at last) over?

Lori Price
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 02:26 PM
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5. At the current rate counting 9/11, Afghanistan, Iraq and New Orleans
approximately twenty thousand, however that is still a long way from tens of millions lost in a civil war.
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 02:09 PM
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2. Awesome speech- but if you were to look into the "why" of Gore's
concession, you wouldn't hate the man so much.

Gore is not to blame for the murders of THIS administration.
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Lori Price CLG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 02:12 PM
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4. OMG, I don't *hate* Gore!! Notice, I addressed him as President.
I am just frustrated that he didn't fight the (first) Bush coup d'etat.

Lori Price
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 02:34 PM
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8. Believe me, Lori- I was/am as frustrated as you are now...
Edited on Sat Oct-08-05 02:43 PM by stlsaxman
Countless times I've gone over in my head with the "if he had only" scenario and, quite honestly, don't see that he had any other choice than to do what he did. Even with that whole joint session of Congress where no senator would sign the CBC's bill, he was powerless to act, (on edit) because everyone would scream "power grab!!!"

The RW machine gun was pointed to his skull and the best that he could do was "live to fight another day", which he has been doing. He's given some of the best speeches I've read or heard in my lifetime. He's a smart, selfless, caring, humanitarian patriot whose love of country makes him, to me, one of the few Democrats around today that can aid in healing this nation of the sickness the Neo-cons have wrought.

Gore is (at this point) my only choice for '08.
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Lori Price CLG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 02:44 PM
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9. Gore was/is one of my favorite US candidates - the 'Concession
Speech' was well-written/a classic... but, that is not the issue. I am sure Gore knew Bush/Baker/Rove had just carried out a coup d'etat -why, oh why, didn't he just say that? It would have been a lot more difficult for Ken Blackwell to steal the state in 2004 if (only) Gore called the 2000 'election' a coup d'etat.

Lori Price
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 03:22 PM
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15. Had he called the 2000 election a coup, we would be hearing about
"Al Gore: Conspiracy Theorist" to this day. Just ask Cece Connelly, she was the "journalist" directly responsible for the "inventing the internet" and "Love Story" and "Love Canal" mis-quotes that were long accepted as facts. Since disproved, but the MSM always retracts stories on the bottom of page 26A.

Sometimes stating the obvious gives ammunition to those who want to destroy you. As it stands today, a far greater percentage of the population (including the majority that voted for Gore) believe it WAS a coup.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 02:59 PM
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12. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that
I'm not given to paranoid conspiracy mongering (though I do recognize that people, especially evil people, like to conspire), but it was very clear to me what was going on -- Gore had spent a month facing down the possibility of igniting a mass Republican riot and his own assassination -- and Democrats just weren't showing up in the numbers and with the force of the radical Republicans (probably half of the GOP regulars, not the overall rank-and-file).

I give the man credit. He finessed the situation as well, or better, than his mentor in schmoozemanship, Bill Clinton. Today, Al Gore is alive, is one of the most respected leaders in America (excepting the radical Right and Left), and is just about the only one who has any perspective at all on environmental, energy, and climate issues.

At the same time, the Bushistas are near collapse, as if they were a supernova in 2000, and starting their collapse into a black hole today.

There are many excellent leaders the Democratic party can choose from in 2008. But Gore is the best of all of them. I hope he gives us another chance.

--p!
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drummo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 08:44 PM
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19. I actually glad that he was still alive with a sane mind after those 36
day.

Imagine that you hear a bunch of right-wing thungs in front of your house screaming "Get out of Cheney's House" and much worse FOR 30 DAYS!

Could you have endured that?
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Lori Price CLG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 01:27 AM
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20. The Bush terror team wanted to steal Clinton's surplus. They were
not going to give up, but the fight should have taken place then and there. The conflict was/is inevitable w. the Reichwing in this country. We should never have surrendered without a fight. It is going to be a lot more difficult to overthrow this regime, with Bush's bioterrorism on the way, along with the inevitable quarantines and FEMA camps.

Lori Price
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 02:28 PM
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6. You could address John Kerry the same way nt
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leanin_green Donating Member (823 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 02:31 PM
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7. You are, of course, Ass-uming that Gore knew. . .
'00 was a coup d'etat. He did everything "legally" available to him at the time. And even in that concession speech you could still see how it left a bad taste in his mouth. And as things unfolded before him in the next few years, Al did begin to speak out more pointedly and without regard for the appearances his remarks would make.

You see, most of us at that time still believed in civil discourse and debate. It has taken many of us in the progressive camp awhile to wake up to what exactly has transpired. I would say '04 was the wake-up call we needed. We finally get what is happening and has happened. It's very hard to let go of cherished beliefs until the reality is just to stark to deny.

I think Al fought as hard and as long as he was able given all the aforementioned facts. The coups that happen in such a socially advanced democracy as America are never openly discernible. They are replete with labyrinths of conspiracy and double-speak. Shadowy characters that often defy definition. Layers of disinformation sprinkled with truth to distract and mislead the seeker.

In a society that holds the 'rule of law' as sacrosanct, this is how it would have to be done in order to control the masses from rising up against it. To dissuade open rebellion, everything has to be done in a vacuum. You can assassinate a leader(ala Kennedy)but you can't just step into the vacancy left from the removal of that leader like it's done in Latin American countries. Our people would only pull down the rifles from their gun racks and begin to march, left and right. Coups in our country are sophisticated in their scope and thoughtfully executed in their application. The game of power in this country is complicated, deeply devious and requires a deeply more artful approach in order to understand and master its multi-layered construct. But there is one very important cornerstone that can't be overlooked or taken lightly. That is, how not to inflame the passions of the masses/governed in such a way as to cause them to unite and rise up against those who would govern.

In truth, there is a deep fear in the power elite of the American people. If we are honest about our history, we know, we are a violent people with an equally volatile and violent past. It has never been our first choice, but we're not afraid of it. They know that and act accordingly. Perhaps Al just didn't want to stir those passionate flames. Maybe now he wishes he had.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 02:50 PM
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10. Thank you. Absolutely. And where was OUR support for Gore at the time?
I didnt see any of us rushing at the gates to help the guy out.

He was only as strong as his backing, and we chose to believe the media over the truth. We are as much, if not more to blame.
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Lori Price CLG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 02:57 PM
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11. Yes, people should have protested *vehemently,* and escalated...
if that did not work.

Lori Price
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Baconfoot Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 03:01 PM
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13. Exactly. I wll always regret not flying down to Florida in 2000 NT
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lynettebro440 Donating Member (950 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 03:34 PM
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17. Believe me
you wouldn't of done a damn thing if you would have went to FL in 2000. I know, I was there. Florida, run by Jebbie is and was a beginning test try for how the Bush's regime was wanting the country to be. Money runs FL. If you aren't someone you aren't anyone. I'm so damn glad that I don't live there now with this new "Shoot and ask questions later" law that has become reality. It was and still is the test state for the rest the other 49 states we will now become. You have no rights bud, money is your only ticket for living.

So rid yourself of those regrets and look out your window. It's probably happening right now in a theatre near you.
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Loge23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 03:03 PM
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14. So true
As well as for all of the atrocities that have occured since the stolen election of 2000.
We just don't do people power in the U.S. anymore. Look at the people of the Ukraine who stood in cold weather for weeks to voice their demands (and celebrate their freedom!)
Have we become so jaded about our "freedom" that we take it for granted? That's just what the neo-fascists want - and they have grabbed the opportunity to control the message.
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leanin_green Donating Member (823 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 03:24 PM
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16. Yes, the Ukraine shamed all of us then.
Edited on Sat Oct-08-05 03:25 PM by leanin_green
I guess that's why I always liked to go to the open public AA meetings at the local rehab house early in my sobriety. When asked why I chose them over other meetings my answer always is, "Because it's only here that I can sense the desparation and need for sobriety."

We can learn a lot from the emerging democracies, such as Ukraine. Their deep hunger for freedom ought to be a reminder for us all. Then again,
"You never miss the water until the well runs dry."
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lynettebro440 Donating Member (950 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 03:43 PM
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18. Your kidding right?
People here in the US of A getting off their fat asses, giving up their weekly doses of "Reality Whatever The Fuck It Is This Week" 'TV shows? No really, people around you? This country has been a "fat and stupid" mentality group of people since the first day McDonalds showed up. People don't have a clue and the more fatter they get the more stupid they get. We bloat their minds with mindless TV programs, food, food, food, (can I say the fattest nation on this earth) drama, drama, drama, (can I say TBS, FAUX etc...). We have been morphed by them to be exactly what we are, a bunch of fat ass, stupid, christian, take their word for it retards.

People won't get off thier asses and freeze here anymore then they would stop buying anything for one day, Nov. 2nd. Amazing, we are exactly what we wanted to become. Hummer, bloated, retarded, disgraceful group of people and we won't look up to see there might be a problem. Good luck dude.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 05:19 AM
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21. One of Gore's brilliant speeches, ignored by the press as usual.
He is a true American patriot.
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