Can someone explain how Wilson "lied"?

[Armstead]

This is a sincere question.

Rush the Gush is currently going after Joe Wilson as a big-time "liar." This has been the right wing spin for a long time. And supposedly the Congressional investigation was hard on him.

The thing is, I have never been able to figure out exactly how he "lied." He seems to have been perfectly forthcoming about the reasons for his trip, the fact that HE DIDN'T FIND ANY EVIDENCE.

He may have pumped up the importance of his trip, or downplayed the role of his wife. (Although that would seem logical if she was an undercover operative.) It's also possible for people to differ with the degree to which he was definitive about no evidence.

But "lies"? I don't see it. Can someone explain the basis of this?

[ClassWarrior]

1. No. Because he didn't.

NGU.

[rfranklin]

11. Doesn't matter if he did (which he did not) because....

the Bush junta still outed an NOC from the CIA. And then they conspired to obstruct justice and perjure themselves.

It's like saying that the bank teller was embezzling so it doesn't matter that I robbed the bank.

[ClassWarrior]

27. Nice analogy... Very nice.

NGU.

[LynnTheDem]

2. He didn't.

[TahitiNut]

3. The claim itself is a lie ... repeated and repeated ... still a lie.

It's part of the reich-wing 'big lie' campaign. It's the claim that Wilson said he was sent by Cheney ... something Wilson never said. So, it's an outright lie to claim he lied.

[endarkenment]

7. So you are saying that Rush is a liar?

No. No. Say it isn't so! Take it back!

[TahitiNut]

21. Well, at least he's consistent.

He'd evaporate and blow away if deceit and hypocrisy were removed from his bloated, cyst-ridden carcass.

[reality based]

4. Mrs Greenspan continues to insist that he claimed Cheney

sent him to Africa. Tweetie continues to enable her. She knows better IMHO. He's just a presstitute.

[trotsky]

5. I think the claim is erroneously based on

Wilson saying he was sent to Africa by the vice president's *office*, and so when Cheney came out and said he never personally sent Wilson to Africa, that supposedly makes Wilson a liar.

So, you can see by application of right-wing "logic" this means Wilson lied. :eyes:

[emulatorloo]

12. He said the CIA sent him, based on questions they got from Cheney

apparently Gop Rnc lack reading comprehension

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4020.htm

<snip>

n February 2002, I was informed by officials at the Central Intelligence Agency that Vice President Dick Cheney's office had questions about a particular intelligence report. While I never saw the report, I was told that it referred to a memorandum of agreement that documented the sale of uranium yellowcake — a form of lightly processed ore — by Niger to Iraq in the late 1990's. The agency officials asked if I would travel to Niger to check out the story so they could provide a response to the vice president's office.

<snip>

[trotsky]

19. Yeah, that's the deal.

'Pukes equating "vp's office had questions" with "Cheney personally ordered Wilson sent to Africa."

[ArbustoBuster]

20. This is the usual RW line of BS

They pretend to misunderstand a simple statement, which makes them look like complete idiots. Later on the same day, they imply that they're smarter than Democrats.

No one has yet explained to me how one can both misunderstand basic English and also be smarter than 50% of the public.

[emulatorloo]

23. To GOP -"You're either the dumbest person ever born or a bold-faced liar!"

A great catch phrase from Judge Marilyn Milian, The People's Court when litigants try to pull the kind of stuff the GOP RNC tries with their talking points.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marilyn_Milian

[jwirr]

6. The repub definition of a lie: Any thing that does not

agree with the repub view of the world.

[leftofthedial]

8. he didn't

he said early on that Cheney sent him to Niger on his fact-finding trip.

Turns out that the role of cheney's office in requesting the trip is ambiguous.

It is not a lie and is certainly not "big-time."

RW desparation.

[emulatorloo]

14. He said Agency sent him, because Agency had rec'd questions from Cheney

From Wilson's editorial. . .I have a link above

<snip>

In February 2002, I was informed by officials at the Central Intelligence Agency that Vice President Dick Cheney's office had questions about a particular intelligence report. While I never saw the report, I was told that it referred to a memorandum of agreement that documented the sale of uranium yellowcake — a form of lightly processed ore — by Niger to Iraq in the late 1990's. The agency officials asked if I would travel to Niger to check out the story so they could provide a response to the vice president's office.

<snip>

They misrepresent this to say Joe Wilson said Cheney sent me.

[billybob537]

9. It's a trick

No matter what

rethugs attack. If they have evidence or not it is no matter. What is important is to win at any price. There is nothing these people ( I use the term loosely) will not do to win Including Murdering our own troops. "No good people are funny you can't love em you can't trust them" (John Melloncamp)

[jobycom]

10. They've twisted some things he said to pretend they are lies

I don't remember the details fully, because I don't fill my beautiful mind with Republican nonsense once it's been debunked, but in some article he made a statement about Cheney, and they twisted it to pretend he had claimed Cheney had sent him. Even though their charge is easily refuted by just looking at the article, they continue to repeat the lie.

Stuff like that. I've not seen one accusation they make against him that isn't easily proven to be a lie. They did this to Gore, too. Rush and his compadres were still claiming Al Gore had lied about Love Canal and Love Story and the Internet long after those had been debunked. Many of the same people who repeated these lies up until the election will now deny saying it, since everyone knew they were "misunderstandings" before the conventions, even.

It's a Republican, therefore it's a lie. Simple statement. Rarely wrong.

[Armstead]

13. That's how it strikes me

It seems like they took a few things out of context and oversimplified them and branded them as "lies."

I still wonder what they claim are "lies" about what he has said though. He said he found no evidence of any deal, which is hard to refute. The damn administration even admitted they were wrong on that.

[jobycom]

18. Here's a link with a specific discussion

http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/10/19/142419/59

Notice that the things they claim Wilson lied about have nothing to do with the results of his report. Typical Republicans. You could videotape George Bush committing a murder and they'd claim the evidence was unreliable because the videotaper had once been convicted of speeding in a school zone.

[BOSSHOG]

15. As opposed to the ditto heads who need no explanation

of what limbaugh is telling them as they sit transfixed, staring into the radio speaker, drool on the corner of their mouths. When the show is over they will tell anyone who will listen that Wilson lied.

[LSK]

16. its is a bunch of silly word games by the freeps

They are making it out that Wilson is claiming Cheney personally sent him to Africa, but THIS HAS NEVER HAPPENED. The RNC actually cut up an interview of Wilson very badly. Im sure we can cut up speeches of Bush and Cheney to make them say things they didnt also.

The facts are that Cheney told the CIA to look into the matter. Then the Plame suggested to the CIA that Wilson was a good person to talk to about the matter based on his experience in Africa and with mining. It was when Wilson met with CIA officials that it was decided that he should go.

[patrice]

17. It's based on what Wilson said about Cheney.

Wilson said something to the effect that

Cheney wanted the CIA to send someone

to check out the Niger connection and BushBots keep saying that Wilson said that

Cheney wanted the CIA to send him (JoeWilson)

.

Wilson's other "lie" is about the fact that Wilson says that his wife told her employers, the CIA, that he - her husband - has the expertise and was available for the Niger trip, and the CIA took that recommendation, presumably along with any others they had, and subsequently hired Wilson, without Valerie Wilson being involved in the actual hiring decision. BushBots are saying

Valerie Wilson hired her own husband.

And CIA HR professionals are saying

Valerie Wilson didn't hire Joe Wilson, CIA human resource professionals hired him.

VW did not participate in the final decision of whom to hire. She only referred her husband to them.

[Zynx]

25. The Republicans like taking a 90% true statement and pasting on lies

to it.

[patrice]

26. AND They know exactly what they are doing.

Their elitist assumption is that most people do not deserve to know the Truth, and that justifies any and all of their intentional lies.

[Acryliccalico]

22. rush has always had a way

of making the most trivial and irrelevant of things the most inflammatory. Why is this so important when the top of our gov. are all lier's and traitors? rush is the joke here. :puke: :kick:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

24. Ain't it amazing! Thje big talking point about Wilson is that he lied and

it doesn't amount to a hill of beans. The facts will come out in the (hopefully) upcoming trials, and The Bushbots will be Exposed for being the LIARS that they are! What can calling him a liar do at this point???? Nothing!!!!!

[mtnester]

28. This is the only way I can explain Rush's crap