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La_Serpiente Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 09:17 AM
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Next Republican Power hold: Phildelphia
OK people, If the citizenry doesn't see it yet, they better wake up. Texas, California, Colorado, and now Phildelphia.

Here is the article on what's happening in Philly:

http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/6987648.htm

And here is what the Philidelphia Daily News is going to do:

http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/6987650.htm

I hope the paper succeeds so it can clear up Mayor Street's record. It puts a bad rap on him and his supporters.
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 09:24 AM
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1. Oh, the tinfoil!!
Florida, Texas, Call-e-fourn-yah and now Pennsylvania. There couldn't possibly be any connection, NOW COULD THERE?!?!

:freak:
dbt
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59millionmorons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 09:29 AM
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2. Not
Philly will never be a republican stronghold. That's like saying NY will be a republican stronghold.
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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 09:45 AM
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3. Look at Collyforneeah before you say never!
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 10:32 AM
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11. I'm afraid you'll see otherwise soon.
And NY IS headed by a Republican, who holds all the offices who gives out all the patronage (which, under the Empire, has also shattered barriers). Who excercises executive power and controls the agencies, everything up to the Voter Database and final "vote" tallies.

Do you understand? The point is not to change the voters, but the people who control the governemnt, the cops, the fire, the evrything. And not just to be "Republicans" but to be Busheviks Loyalists.

Just what the fuck do you think was hiding inside Johnny Asscroft's "reorganization".

This is the start of exactly what I feared and predicted.

Asscroft purges the FBI and puts Busheviks in. Next stop, utilizing the FBI for electoral gain. Using PATRIOT and TIA and the golden keys to the Internet, they can crush ANYONE ANYTIME and do it using actual stuff (while their own monstrous frauds, thefts, and corruptions, go un-invesitgated)

Yawn. I knew this was coming. This is the first of many of these "fortutitously timed Pravda releases".

Lotta "happy coincidences" for the Repugs since the Bloodless Coup of 2000, eh?
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 01:35 PM
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19. If you had control of the media for a week you could convince people that
night was day and Jefferson was the antichrist.

They just did that in CA. They did it in 2000. They could do it in Philadelphia too.
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 08:02 PM
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22. correct
even republican congressmen from the delaware valley are moderates. the national gop will not win there.
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frank frankly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 09:48 AM
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4. damn they are relentless
very scary
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 10:24 AM
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10. Yes, they are relentless and have no conscience problems
Not that the Democrats are pire as the driven snow, but these Busheviks shatter barriers and take it to new levels almost every day.

And no one asks a fucking question.

We march like sheep to the slaughterhouse floor.
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 10:09 AM
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5. A wiretap in the Mayor's office
Is really really scary. We are getting close to a police state with tactics like this.
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Pab Sungenis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 10:16 AM
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6. Street is scum
There's no way to escape it. We picked a bad one. He barely carried the city in 1999. The Philly Dems couldn't get anyone to oppose him in the primary, so now we're going to lose to Sam Katz, who will be another Bill Green - an ineffectual one term mayor.

The only thing that kept Street in power is the Yellow Dog vote; many Democrats abandoned him in 1999 and would not go out for him this time even before the "scandal."

In fact, I'd dare to say that perhaps this "scandal" was engineered (or at least the revelation of it) to ENRAGE the Democrats, and try to drum up sympathy for Street. I don't think it's gonna happen.

There is a big difference between what happened in Texas and California, and what's happening in Philly.
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 10:18 AM
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7. Good for PNI
Their lawyers are top notch. One of the most fascinating and well-argued cases I had the good fortune to cover was PNIs defense of Nancy Phillips in the Rabbi Neulander murder trial. Neulanders big wig defense team was trying to subpoena her notes and accused her of acting as an "agent provocateur" rather than a journalist in her role in the events leading up to Len Jenoff's confession that he was hired by the rabbi to kill his wife.

PNI won handily. However, this is the feds and we know what Ashcroft has said about how feds should handle FOIA requests.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 10:22 AM
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8. I absolutely agree
This reeks of Busheviks abuse f power.

Again, the things Nixon had trouble doing (i.e. using FBI and IRS as bludgeons to their enemies), the Busheviks get away with with ease.

Nothing to see here...move along.

One Party Nation.

(though the Busheviks will probably start having to prop up the sham of a Democratic Party itself by 2020, if these trends continue unabated)
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FubarFly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 10:22 AM
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9. Philadelphia is a long way from a Republican stronghold.
These were the numbers back in 1999 when Street was riding the very popular Ed Rendell's coattails:

Street - 211,136 - 50%
Katz - 203,908 - 49%
Other - 5,376 - 1%

http://muweb.millersville.edu/~politics/va1099.htm

In the 2000 presidential race Philadelphia was carried by Gore %76-14.

http://muweb.millersville.edu/~politics/pres.htm

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The real story in Philadelphia is race:

In Philadelphia, 75-percent of the registered voters are Democrats, and about 20-percent are Republican. Yet, the March 2003 Keystone Poll showed the two mayoral candidates, incumbent Democratic mayor John Street and Republican challenger Sam Katz, in a close race--with Katz holding a 44 to 40-percent lead. The Street/Katz contest is a replay of the election four years ago when Street won a narrow victory (by fewer than 10,000 votes).

The closeness of the contest now, as four years ago, can be explained by the significance race plays in vote choice and not party affiliation as is true in most circumstances. In 1999, almost 70 percent of African-Americans reportedly voted for Street, the black Democratic candidate, while about the same proportion of whites supported Sam Katz, the white Republican candidate. Similarly, in the March Keystone Poll almost three-fourths of blacks say they plan to vote for Street, and a similar proportion of whites indicate they intend to vote for Katz.

--snip--

http://muweb.millersville.edu/~politics/2003MayoralSeries1.htm


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Although Katz has a good chance to win the mayoral race, I am very certain that b*sh won't benefit from it.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 10:36 AM
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12. The Emperor will benefit from it
Access to the voter rolls and databases and getting control of the installation of the touchscreen "voting" machines as they are installed is a benefit in and of itself.

Katz will ALWAYS be willing to do favors for the National Party, especially given that, when you strip all the bullshit down, he will owe his position in entriety to John Ashcroft.

These guys are playing hardball. Thank God circumstances force them to proceed slower and more nonviolently than Grandpa Prescott's Old Business Partners.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 11:27 AM
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14. The board of Commissioners run elections in Philadelphia
They are elected, not appointed by the voters. There are three commissioners, and each party can nominate two candidates.

Access to voter rolls? This is public information that any citizen can gain access to.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 01:07 PM
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15. You are missing my point
As in the Imperial Province of Kally-fornia, what matters is wresting executive control and all the perks and power that affords.

Further, it allows the Busheviks an "in", to funnel money and power to their cronies, and to starve their enemies.

But the most important point you are missing is that we are not dealing with people who are going to play by the rules in the Busheviks. I mean, let's say, levels higher of "not playing by the rules" than was customary during the Days of the Old Republic.

Capturing the executive power of Philadelphia gives the Busheviks a lot more breathing space to commit whatever fraud or theft or vote rigging that they wish.

Gives them money and denies the Democrats lucrative sources of funding both legal (and, I'm sorry to say) illegal.

While the Busheviks are now so brazen they commit their frauds, thefts and conflicts-of-interest in broad daylight and with absolute impunity, Democrats are going down if they so much as jaywalk.

With PATRIOT and TIA firmly in Bushevik hands, the entire life history of Democratic politicians in in Bushevik hands. You think they aren't going to use this newfoud unchecked power.

But back to the original point,l Bushevik victory break down barriers between them and vote rigging, between them and fraud and theft and bribery. Maybe there will be barriers to them, but they will be fewer and suddenly, much of the city government will now be there to use as political tools against their enemies (and these guys make Nixon look like Mother Theresa).

As the FBI is being used as a political tool against Street.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 07:41 PM
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20. I will agree with you that losing the Mayor's office will hurt the party
Particulary due to the loss of patronage jobs. The democratic party in Philadelphia is a political machine, which runs on money and patronage. The loss of these patronage jobs would certainly not turn the city into a Republican city. But it would weaken the party's ability to get out the vote, which lowers the part's chances of winning state-wide elections.

It is a sad state of affairs that our party's electoral fortunes may be dictated by our ability to dole out government jobs to our frineds and relatives.

As for the voter fraud, the Mayor has absolutely NOTHING to do with elections. The Board of Commissioners does that, and it is in no danger of going Republican. And the judiciary in Philadelphia is overwealmingly Democratic.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 11:17 AM
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13. Looks like it.
n/t
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 01:13 PM
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16. Street's record has been controversial and tained
It wouldn't surprise if he has done something wrong.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 01:20 PM
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17. I agree, carlos, but that is not the issue
Edited on Sat Oct-11-03 01:21 PM by tom_paine
The issue is: with the unchecked power of PATRIOT and TIA (and if you think they stopped working on it, I have a bridge to sell you), they now have complete and unfettered (not yet total, but give it a decade or two) access to the entire life history of their political enemies, eventually down to a sorted listed of websites they've visited going back years, home and work.

Not yet is it up to full strength, IMHO. Lord knows how far along they are right now.

So, as I predicted now YEARS ago (in 2001--somehwere in the archives there is corroboration of this, I'm sure), FBI, IRS and the rest will be used as political tools to wrest power from the Democrats.

But not a single hair of a single Republican official (again, give it time to toally mature to it's Soviet conclusion, we re still half-in and half-out of the looking glass.) shall be touched.

Ken Lay walks arrogantly free (Money Defrauded = $7 billion? More?)

Martha Stewart given the perp walk ($150,000 or so?)...

Time will tell, but Street is just the first Democrat to be anally probed by the Busheviks, I think.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 01:34 PM
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18. kick
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roughsatori Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 07:46 PM
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21. Very important, KICK NT
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