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Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 09:26 AM
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Is the Iranian President completely insane?
Edited on Thu Oct-27-05 09:28 AM by Postman
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/B882E879-1F7C-4CC0-B94E-2EF6310AAD9A.htm

Does he know what he is courting with such hostile rhetoric?

Maybe their rhetoric is the result of the example set by the Bush Administration? Hey, tough talk worked for Bush, right?

The Bush Administrations careless foreign policy has radicalized the Islamic world.

Maybe that was the goal?

This country is f**cked up. And quite possibly - f**cked.
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 09:28 AM
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1. I was shocked
He is clearly taking up the same fascist approach to rallying support that bush did. it will probably play well in iran, but he is courting disaster
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 09:29 AM
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2. No he is not insane.
This was a deliberate policy shift from the Iranian leaders. The only question is why.
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Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 09:41 AM
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8. Let me posit why....
the US is playing "chicken" along the Iranian border (as per Seymour Hersch) ..taunting the Iranians to do something.

Remember Iranians are NOT Arabs they are Persians but they share the same religion as the Arabs, obviously. US support for Israel in the occupation of Palestine is an issue.

US history with Iran does not begin with the 1979 take over of the US embassy in Tehran and the Iranian Hostage Crisis. The US helped overthrow an elected democracy in Iran in 1953 at the behest of the UK for economic reasons and installed the Shah to power, who ruled Iran with an iron fist.

Radical Islam became a way for Iranians to resist despotism. Now with the US playing "war" on their borders I think they might become a little more radicalized.

If you want to embrace a more moderate, sedate version of Islam, why does US foreign policy push them toward radicalism?
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 12:21 PM
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19. Good point, with one minor clarification.
Not all Arabs or Persians are Muslim.

There are some Christian Arabs and Persians, too.
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 02:08 PM
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24. yup. play into perpetual choas and war
there was a time when we looked towards an internal Iranian social revolution of young people and then we invaded Iraq.

Perhaps that led to the election of this hawk Iranian.

Perhaps that's why we invaded non threatening Iraq before a sensitive election in Iran.

Mutually assured destruction.

We are all being led by crazy men.

Now all we need is nukes all over the region.

This is the fruit of our neoconservative foreign policy.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 09:31 AM
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3. Good point
Edited on Thu Oct-27-05 09:31 AM by Canuckistanian
Extremism works for the USA, so why not for Iran?

Torture Laws? Geneva Convention? Treaties? PfaH! We spit on them all.
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mr_hat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 09:34 AM
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4. Chris Hitchens has written that Iranian youth
and even moderate Shiites (one of Khomeini's sons among them?!) are awaiting "liberation" from the mullahs, FWIW.

His dubious judgement notwithstanding, it has seemed conventional wisdom that Iranians are open to inclusion. Wonder how long they can resist facism now that it looms over them in distinctly political as well religious guises?
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 09:49 AM
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10. That might have been true before we wrecked Iraq.
Any sensible person in Syria or Iran is now not interested at all in the sort of 'liberation' that The Cabal will bring them.
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 09:36 AM
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5. I haven't read the article that you linked to so I may be
wrong in the assumptions I making, but if the Iranians are talking trash to the US then it is probably because the history of this admin is to start making accusations as a prelude to an attack or invasion.

Maybe the Iranians figure that the * admin will attack them eventually regardless of their posturing rhetoric, so the Iranians have decided to stop being polite to them.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 09:44 AM
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9. You need to read the article.
I don't call saying that "Israel should be wiped off the map", talking trash to the US.
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 10:34 AM
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11. If that's what was said, then they're talking trash......
to the US, indirectly. Everybody in the world knows that we are Isreal's biggest ally.

By threatening Isreal, they're threatening this country. The Iranians may not be able to get to us but they can get to Isreal!
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 10:45 AM
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12. And if Iran tries anything, Tehran and everyone in it gets turned
to radioactive dust.

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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 11:39 AM
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16. Right - so it is not a real threat.
And everybody knows that.
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CatBoreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 09:37 AM
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6. Notice anyone missing from this list??
"France, Spain, Britain, Canada and Australia condemned the Iranian leader's remarks."

What has the US, Israel's greatest friend and ally to say about all this?

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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 09:38 AM
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7. Defending Iran from US Imperialism....
Might make him a "Popular Wartime President." Instead of a Fundamentalist Fogie that young Iranians would like to replace someday.

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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 10:46 AM
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13. Threatening to wipe Israel off the earth is not anti-imperialism.
Young Iranians aren't idiots.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 11:39 AM
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15. Sort of a non sequitor.
However this was a deliberate re-iteration of the hardline position on Israel indended for both domestic and world consumption. Clearly it was intentional and is part of the game that Iran is playing with respect to its position in the Middle East (on the rise mainly thanks to our Iraqi blunder) its nuclear weapons progam, its relationship with the UN and its relationship with Washington. Not an act of insanity at all.

Young Iranians aren't idiots but that also means that they most certainly do not want a dose of neocon freemon'n'moxy Bushworld style.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 12:17 PM
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17. I imagine they welcome the prospect of an atom bomb
exploding in Tehran even less.

They don't want war. They don't want death and conflict.

The Iranian president is an extremist fundie wingnut--moreso than creeps like Richard Perle and Pat Robertson.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 01:18 PM
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21. We've already proven we're imperialists.
So, if we invade Iran--for whatever reason--the President will rally his people.

It's not the first time that a lie was used to start a war.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 02:00 PM
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23. Did you miss the fact that he's talking about
wiping Israel off the map, not resisting US imperialism?

Wiping other countries off the map is the very essence of imperialism.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 10:55 AM
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14. Probably not.
Saddam tried to comply with the UN inspectors and be reasonable and look what happened to him.

North Korea and Iran are potential basket-cases but they can get away with it for now because the * administration is a little bit preocuppied with other problems...
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 12:18 PM
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18. He's just staying the course for Iran. No big deal, we do it all of the
time when it comes to killing people. Its nothing:sarcasm:
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 12:23 PM
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20. He's a Fundie, and Fundies do stupid shit like that
Y'know, calling for the extirpation of nations - or the assassination of foreign leaders. :evilgrin:
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European Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 01:43 PM
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22. Right-two sets of bad guys-our wing nuts and their wing nuts.
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 02:11 PM
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25. Perpetual war- sound familiar?
Do you think we invaded Iraq when we did in order to assure a conservative win in Iran and the youth revolution failed under the weight of Iranian nationalism and hate for our occupation?

Sometimes I feel that we the general population are being played like pawns in the mid-20th century world of totalitarianism.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 03:05 PM
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26. No, he's just an Iranian fundamentalist
Y'know, just about every Muslim country in the Middle East has "destruction of Israel" in its constitution.

No nation over there is crazy enough to actually try it--not with Bush in office. That fucker's just itching to be the second president to nuke someone--and everyone in the Middle East knows it.

I don't see this as THAT big a deal--not so long as Israel is both armed to the teeth and backed up by the United States.
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