Lieberman chooses O'Reilly over NAACP

[wndycty]

I thought his defenders were saying he missed the NAACP forum because he had job. . .to me it looks like he was pandering to the right. I will never ever vote for him. At this point Lieberman deserves everything Mfume and Bond said about him!

Joe’s woes continue with shakeup

Joseph Straw , Register Washington Bureau 07/16/2003

WASHINGTON — A rough week for U.S. Sen. Joseph Lieberman’s presidential bid continued Tuesday, with a major shakeup of his campaign fundraising staff and leadership.

Meanwhile, NAACP officials still smarting from Lieberman’s no-show at an NAACP candidates’ forum Monday were angered further to learn that his schedule that day included an interview taping with conservative television talk show host Bill O’Reilly.

Connecticut NAACP President Jimmy Griffin, who attended the organization’s national convention in Miami Beach, where the forum took place, called Lieberman’s absence "a disgrace" and said the interview with O’Reilly "should upset us."

Lieberman, D-Conn., and fellow presidential hopefuls U.S. Reps. Richard Gephardt, D-Mo. and Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio., were upbraided Monday by NAACP President Kweisi Mfume for skipping the event, which was part of the NAACP’s annual convention in Miami Beach.

An uncharacteristically fiery Mfume called Lieberman and the two others "persona non grata" and said they should not expect support from the country’s black voters in the coming months of the race.
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http://www.newhavenregister.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=9851003&BRD=1281&PAG=461&dept_id=31007&rfi=6

[JohnKleeb]

1. Sorry Joey

Yes I know my guy didnt go but he had a vote to vote on I will defend him for that and a dear friend of the NAACP would say the same Representive John Conyers defended Kucinich. On edit hes a member too. He served his country also and was a lawyer for a while. Conyers has been there since 1964 more than half of his life which is admirable. His constiuents are lucky to have him to rant.

[Tinoire]

4. Kucinich missed to save Medicare from privatization :)

DENNIS AND THE NAACP EVENT

Kucinich supporters have asked why the Congressman didn't attend the
NAACP candidates' forum in Miami on Monday afternoon. He couldn't
attend because the forum conflicted with his responsibilities as a
voting member of Congress, and there were key Medicare votes late
yesterday in the House.

When there have not been conflicts with Capitol Hill duties, Dennis has repeatedly attended candidates' forums held by civil rights and equal rights groups, including ones organized by the NAACP and the
Rainbow/PUSH Coalition. (The Rainbow forum was on a Sunday.) Dennis has shined at these events, because he is a fighter for civil rights -- as he's shown year after year on Capitol Hill through his leadership role in the Congressional Progressive Caucus. It's Dennis who is leading the fight to abolish the racially-biased death penalty.

Due to conflicts with his Congressional duties, Rep. Kucinich recently had to miss a candidates' forum on the environment in Los Angeles and a "Democracy Rising" rally in Baltimore -- when Dennis stayed in Washington to vote against Medicare privatization, which passed by a single vote. Unlike other presidential candidates, he is a fulltime Congressperson who has not missed a vote so far this session.

Yesterday afternoon, our campaign released this statement to the media:
"Congressman Kucinich has the utmost respect for the NAACP, its
leadership, its members and its mission. He regrets his absence from
this afternoon's candidates' forum. His duties as a member of the
United States House of Representatives required that he be in Washington today for votes. Important votes are scheduled on Medicare prescription drugs and agriculture spending. Congressman Kucinich strongly believes that it is wrong to campaign across the country on the issue of expanding healthcare coverage and then miss one of the most important healthcare votes in years."

--
Learn more about the Kucinich campaign: http://www.kucinich.us

Please donate to keep our campaign expanding:
https://www.kucinich.us/contribute.php "

[bobthedrummer]

14. Obviously working for all American citizens

on yet another key issue, representing US
http://www.kucinich.us/issues/issue_prescriptiondrugs.htm

[CWebster]

24. Kucinich had a bad couple of days

First, the upbraiding from the NAACP, and then getting ripped apart by a shrill, hysterical Tweety...

You know, Dennis didn't look well on "Hardball" - I wondered if the NAACP sting had him stressed. Quite possibly, Matthews sensed this weakness and hit him when he was down. What scum Matthews is, always fantasizing vicariously about machismo.

[JohnKleeb]

20. a good reason I didnt know totally thanks tin and bob

[CMT]

2. this was a real blunder

to choose Bill Big mouth over the NAACP--he could go on Bill's show anytime. It is a pity because overall Lieberman has a very good civil rights record.

[wndycty]

3. He has an absoulte SHITTY Civil Rights record!!!!

Holy Joe, Corporate Joe, G.I. Joe
Will the real Senator Lieberman please stand up?
by Doug Ireland

As Joe Lieberman spoke at Jesse Jackson’s Rainbow/PUSH forum for presidential contenders last month, the overwhelmingly black audience clapped when he quoted Martin Luther King Jr. Yet how many would have applauded if they’d known that the candidate from the Nutmeg State was a fan of the author of The Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life, which promoted the junk-science-for-bigots theory that blacks are genetically inferior to whites? How many realized that he had declared affirmative action to be “un-American,” called on the Democrats to abandon it and supported a California ballot initiative to ban it — all of which once caused the Rev. Jesse Jackson to travel to New Haven for a rally to denounce “Jesse Helms–Lieberman deals”? “We submit to the senator of this state,” Jackson roared in 1995, “that we have marched too long, and have died too young. We have been to too many funerals to turn back now! No, Mr. Lieberman, we are moving forward!” As recently as 1998, Lieberman’s Senate voting was so bad that the NAACP gave him a “D” rating on its report card.

This is just part of the record that Lieberman now tries to run away from. Most of the mainstream press corps keeps presenting a sanitized version of Lieberman’s bio, but some of the things he’d rather forget are well worth remembering now that he’s a national candidate.
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http://www.laweekly.com/ink/03/34/news-ireland.php

[jiacinto]

7. This article is biased

And Lieberman's record on civil rights is not as bad as that article implies. A visit to Project Vote Smart contradicts this article, which is clearly biased. The author's sophomoric tones clearly make it not credible.

Lieberman did register black voters in the South during the 1960s. And a visit to Project Vote Smart shows that his civil rights record is not what this author claims it to be.

I do agree that he should have gone to the forum. His not showing and going on O'Reilly is inexcusable.

[wndycty]

8. Please point out the lies about Liberman in this article then. . .

I would be very interested to know what is incorrect. Please let me know where the lies are.

[jiacinto]

19. Lieberman and Civil Rights

Source: http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=S0141103&PHPSESSID=474edba1401d6071fa91a34064b15792#Civil+Rights

2002 On the votes that the Human Rights Campaign considered to be the most important in 2002, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2002 Bsed on legislative votes, sponsorship of legislation not voted upon, and endorsements of special "dear colleague" letters that the Arab American Institute considered to be the most important in 2002, Senator Lieberman supported their preferred position 60 percent of the time.

2002 On the votes that the National Hispanic Leadership Agenda considered to be the most important in 2002, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 91 percent of the time.

2001-2002 On the votes that the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People considered to be the most important in 2001-2002, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 94 percent of the time.

2001-2002 On the votes that the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights considered to be the most important in 2001-2002, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2001 On the votes that the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People considered to be the most important in 2001, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 91 percent of the time.

2001 On the votes that the Human Rights Campaign considered to be the most important in 2001, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2001 Bsed on legislative votes, sponsorship of legislation not voted upon, and endorsements of special "dear colleague" letters that the Arab American Institute considered to be the most important in 2001, Senator Lieberman supported their preferred position 75 percent of the time.

2001 On the votes that the National Hispanic Leadership Agenda considered to be the most important in 2001, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 91 percent of the time.

2000 On the votes that the National Hispanic Leadership Agenda considered to be the most important in 2000, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 50 percent of the time.

2000 On the votes that the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People considered to be the most important in 2000, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

1999-2000 On the votes that the Human Rights Campaign considered to be the most important in 1999-2000, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

1999-2000 On the votes that the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights considered to be the most important in 1999-2000, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 88 percent of the time.

1993-2002 On the votes that the Gay Rights Info. considered to be the most important in 1993-2002, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 73 percent of the time.

Calling Lieberman a racist is an unwarranted smear.

[wndycty]

25. Did I call Lieberman a racist?

Also I am still waiting for you to point out what in that article is false.

[gottaB]

23. another version

This washington post story contains a lengthy and imo not unfair narrative of Lieberman's shifting positions on affirmative action. Scroll down to or find "Demopublicans."

[annagull]

5. OK, Lieberman has just proved himself too stupid to be president

Not that * has set the bar all that high, but to miss an NAACP convention to chat with abigot like O'Really--geez, maybe he really is a republican.

[jiacinto]

6. I have defended Lieberman here

But he should have gone to the NAACP forum. Speaking on O'Reilly is insult to injury.

He made a very bad decision. And I think he should be condemned for it.

That being said I wonder now if he will be treated more harshly for not going compared to Gephardt and Kuchinich, who didn't go either.

That will be interesting.

[dpbrown]

9. I think Kucinich is safe on this issue

Rep. Conyers is defending Kucinich, who stayed in DC to save Medicare, casting a vote for a issue that passed by a single vote. Kucinich hasn't missed a vote this session, and after all, that's what he's being paid to do, not to run a campaign for President.

[retread]

10. I have also defended Lieberman. But yes he SHOULD be

treated more harshly. The other two did not show up on a rabid, anti-civil rights, hater's show!! He should be disqualified for incompetence if nothing else. If this is an example of how he conducts a campaign, the repigs would destroy him!

[jiacinto]

21. You miss the point

Lieberman gets treated more harshly on this board than everyone else.

Even though Edwards and Kerry voted for the Iraq resolution everyone attacks Lieberman more for it.

Even though all the Democrats running for president--even Al Sharpton--strongly support Israel, Lieberman gets singled out more for his position on that issue.

Even though he didn't vote for the tax cut people continue to lie about that issue and say that he supported it when he didn't.

Even though Lieberman has a decent civil rights records, and registered blacks to vote in the South during the 1960s, some DUers have gone to the extreme lenghts of calling him a "racist".

Even though Lieberman hardly votes like a Republican when you go to Project Vote Smart, he is still a DINO even though the facts contradict that viewpont.

I have defended Lieberman because he does get singled out unfairly a lot of the time. But he should have gone to the NAACP convention and should be condemned for it.

[Larkspur]

30. Lieberman deserves to get raked harder over Iraq

because he wrote the goddam resolution and because of his Zionist connections he was Bush's pro-Iraq-war evangelist in the Democratic fold.

I notice that Project Vote Smart didn't show that Lieberman led the 1994 override of Clinton's veto on deregulating the accounting industry. This led to the current corporate scandals we have today. Maybe that's on Project Vote Dumb.

[wndycty]

31. I think you are missing the point. . .

Lieberman was the Democratic nominee for vice-president in 2000, most of us would expect him to be the standard bearer on many issues. Many of us feel betrayed for supporting him in 2000 when in essence he nothing but a D.I.N.O.

[wndycty]

11. The more I learn about Lieberman. . .

. . .the more I regret he was on ticket in 2000!

[Kahuna]

12. Joe Lieberman is really working hard to get..

republicans to support him in the primaries. :eyes:

:puke:

[Cascadian]

22. Yeah Lieberman may have voted on some Democrat issues like labor re but...

in my eyes, the man is still a Republican wannabe. Just look at his stance on moral issues, civil liberties, free trade, and foreign and military affairs. All consistant with right-wing Republican position and this man considers himself a Democrat? No. The Demos are better off without Lieberman. He visiting O'Reilly's show is proof of that.

John

[tjdee]

13. D'OH!

I have no problem with people missing things if they have to miss them, as I've said.

But that is pretty obnoxious--not so much that he missed the forum, and not so much that he talked with O'Reilly (hey, if he thinks he's going to attract Republicans, BWAHAHA, but that's his thing).... but that it happened together.

This doesn't change my opinion of Lieberman, though. I don't think he hates black people or anything. Plus, he's not getting the nomination anyway.

[Chovexani]

15. Fuck Holy Joe

Right in his sanctimonious ear. The man isn't fit to be dog catcher.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

16. Oreilly over the NAACP!

What the hell is this??? No wonder Joe is sinking like the Titanic. Once again he's kissing the ass of the enemy!

[David__77]

17. What a monumental blunder!

Whatever he says about this--it LOOKS very bad. A right-wing Fox News show over the NAACP? Give me a break! It's bad enough all of the tension over the years between Black people and Jewish people around certain issues. We can't afford this sort of thing.

[wndycty]

18. Yeah Joe fucked up

:kick:

[BeatBush]

26. LIEberman

:puke:

[TrueAmerican]

27. I am afraid the GOP nuts were right

He truely is Loserman.

[Larkspur]

28. This is a strategic blunder

that will sink Lieberman's campaign faster than I ever anticipated.

I had figured that he'd stay in the race at least until March 2, which is Connecticut's primary, but now I think he'll have trouble making it to the Iowa Caucases.

[Isome]

29. L-O-S-E-R...

indeed!!