Matthews posed an interesting thought: "What if they Don't Resign?"

[KoKo]

If they don't resign and decide to do a broken bottle Street Fight to hold their positions in the Bush II Regime...it will be something NEW in Politics. In other Administrations as Matthews posed to Nora O'Donnell...Presidential Advisors or Appointees would "fall on their swords" and resign to keep the President safe.

What's NEW is that Karl Rove always played "Dirty Politics." So, would Rove resign? No! He'd go to the "street fight" and throw all he had at Fitz. He'd make him seem like Dracula's Mother, Caligula..a Blood Sucker who has ALWAYS been against Repugs...and "lonely man, who has no life but to "suck after Repug Crime" an "Outlier" a "Loner" with few who would support him.

What I heard from listening to "Tweety Show." Tweety and Repug Rogers have a "money bet" that NO ONE WILL RESIGN!

Did you hear this? Do you think this could be true?

Unlike "honor" of resigning when your reputation is shot...the Bush Whore's will FIGHT IT OUT...going against the CHARGES FILED BY A FEDERAL PROSECUTOR..that THEY APPOIINTED!

It's a "New Trick" in Politics but it FITS what we KNOW about the BUSH BOTS! Doesn't it? :-(

[WI_DEM]

1. It is a good point

Will they a "leave of absence" if indicted? Will they remain on the job? or will they resign--and what will Bush do or say. It will be very revealing.

[rateyes]

2. Too many Repubs in Congress and Senate...

who will be calling for their resignations. If they don't resign, and * doesn't fire them...* will have NO support in Congress left...all of them would have to run with that albatross hanging around their necks.

If they are indicted, they are toast.

[louis-t]

5. correct.

[fooj]

6. Yep.

:smoke:

[cliss]

12. I think you're right.

Think of these fools in the White House. Right outside, there is a tsunami building. It's a monster wave; and it's got the Bush cabal in its sights.

I was quite surprised about the Miers nomination. This should show us that Bush is actually dealing with reality, after all. For TOO LONG, he has been able to do whatever he pleased. Keep anybody on, no matter how outrageous or stupid they were.

But - the times have changed. I see now that Bush does not have unlimited power any longer.

They will throw someone overboard, no doubt about that. But - who?

[LSparkle]

16. You are right -- THEY have to run for re-election; * doesn't

They won't be willing to "toe the line" for KKKarl if it means they might lose their seat. The polls show that something like 75% of the country thinks people in the WH did something either illegal or unethical; only like 12% think they did nothing wrong.

[AlinPA]

26. I disagree; Bush** could pardon them. Nominate some RW'er, then

wave some flags, quote some Bible passages, bash the gay people and most 'murcans would love him again.

[BillZBubb]

30. Only if he also gets gasoline and natural gas prices down too.

All this other stuff is noise. He'd be at his 50% approval rating if energy prices went back to 2004 levels. That's what has hurt him, because that's what directly effects the sheeple.

[AlinPA]

31. Yep.

[rateyes]

36. He might pardon them, but IMHO, that would be

the most stupid political move in the history of the world, next to lying us into war. The people of this country, I would certainly hope, would not stand for criminals running the show.

When George Allen of VA, says that they ought to resign if indicted, it's a pretty good indication that it will happen, IMHO.

[bobbieinok]

50. repubs control their people tightly..IMO they'd do what they're told to do

[Demobrat]

3. Actually, I expect something like this.

The Pukes will pull out the "innocent until proven guilty" line, refuse to resign, Rove and Cheney will force W to go along, which won't be hard because he will want to anyway, they will collectively flip off the country and.....

then we'll see.

[ThoughtCriminal]

4. There is that innocent until proven guilty thing

But won't Bush have to lower the bar on firings again?

[LaurenG]

7. Oh, that would be a fatal error for Bush

he'll lose most of his base. He may still have coulter and hannity and rush but he'll loose so much more if he doesn't let them resign if not FIRE them.

[Nikki Stone1]

8. This is similar to what Delay is doing with the judge

Smearing the public servants who are bringing charges against him instead of having the honor to resign.

[senseandsensibility]

9. Just keep playing the tape of chimp and puffy mcmoonface

saying that anyone involved in the leak would no longer be part of this administration. Campaign commercials could be made with those clips too. Bring it on, creeps.

[Jacobin]

10. rove will have to tell bush to fire him

Bush will have that deer in the headlights look and won't have a fucking clue as to what to do

[carolinalady]

11. But, but, he said anyone that is guilty of a criminal act will not

work for him. Seems to me he wants KKKarl around for as long as possible.

[me b zola]

13. I heard it and it scares me to death

This administration is political toast--they are so over, politically. Rethugs are jumping ship worrying about re-election, and if there are indictments the number of bailing rats will continue to grow. Dems would be able to get legislation through, hold hearings on the multitude of offenses that they have been seeking to investigate for years, and yes, they could impeach.

This death grip on power that these bastards are wielding is frightening. What are they willing to do to keep from being thrown from power?? This thought really scares me.

[havocmom]

23. Yep, these guys will not turn over power graciously

nor, I fear, peacefully. In too deep, done too much to ever allow anyone to hold them accountable for their actions. Some would likely be facing a trip to the Hauge. With THAT hanging over their heads, there is nothing I would put beyond their wills to survive. they are animals and cornered animals are very dangerous.

edited for typos

[Mme. Defarge]

29. Unfortunately

I have to agree with you. They were never elected. They will never willingly give up power. They have no honor and no sense of shame.

[havocmom]

46. Mme. Defarge, I hope you & I are wrong, but fear we have a point.

Right or worng, glad to have you here at the DU with us :hi:

Welcome aboard. Looks like you got here during interesting times. Here's to We The People :toast:

Looking forward to reading more from you.

[Mme. Defarge]

47. Hey thanks!

Had to take a break from politics after the election. I was so distracted on election day I almost lost my job! God help me -- I have a budget meeting tomorrow and somehow need to be able to focus on that. What timing, huh?

[Halliburton]

14. Rove won't leave no matter what

he'll dispatch Mehlman to launch the disinformation campaign.

[ourbluenation]

15. involved - fired. indicted - fired. convicted...

fired.

First * said if anyone was INVOLVED they would be fired. Then smelling the stink of his own administration changed it to fired if INDICTED.

Just you see...next they will have to be CONVICTED before he fires them.

After that they will have to die or something before he fires them.

[displacedtexan]

17. Torches. Pitchforks. No problem. n/t

[GreenArrow]

18. none of the subjects in question have any honor to lose

It's likely a quality they never possessed.

[Freedomfried]

19. I think they will have their security clearances suspended

And they cant hold these positions without them. They'll have to be cleared of federal charges before their clearances can be reinstated.

[LunaC]

49. Good point! nt

[lovuian]

20. The Police will have to arrest him!!!

:bounce:

[karlrschneider]

21. "Yer doin' a heckuva job...Brownie, Karl, Scooter....etc."

:grr:

[htuttle]

22. cf. Ukraine, November, 2004

[Warren Stupidity]

25. or see tiananmen square

Here:

[htuttle]

27. You rolls the dice, and you takes your chances

:shrug:

[Warren Stupidity]

28. I agree.

But its best to know what the upside and the downside are. We are entering a crisis point. Consider MIHOP/LIHOP. Consider the secret energy group that Cheney ran. Consider the whole DSM/Niger-docs war fraud. If there is a risk that evidence that The Cabal has committed truly horrendous crimes will be uncovered, they have no motivation to do anything other than keep on committing new crimes to keep from being caught. From inside the administration they have authority and power, from outside they have none.

[drb]

24. Personally, I hope they don't resign. Can you imagine...

...a counter on everyone's web page:

236 hours 37 minutes and 9 seconds with indicted felons occupying the White House

[nadinbrzezinski]

32. Shhh... why am I reminded of... Watergate?

[grasswire]

33. that's the first time I've seen Tweety speechless

He was truly surprised by what Nora had to say. The wheels were turning in his widdle head.

[grasswire]

34. resignations might come tonight, she said

O'Donnell wondered why people who know they are going to be indicted would not resign tonight, to cut loose from tainting the WH.

Then Tweety decided it would be better for Bush to DEMAND the resignations to show that he is a strong person.

[KoKo]

51. I think it will be a "first in American History" if they don't resign...

But, that's been their pattern so far. "Stonewall and Tough it Out."

Look at the DeLay's "Mug Shot." A Grin in your face where he pretty much said "Fuck You!"....I'm not going down. "I have THE POWER."

I never thought about how little honor they have for our Constitution and Truth until I saw the Matthews/O'Donnel piece where they were speculating.

"TOUGH IT OUT!" I shouldn't be shocked. They've stolen THREE ELECTIONS, Corrupted our Justice System, State Department, Sent us to War over Lies, refused to Release Information Americans need to know and paid for, allowed Wall St. and Corporate Corruption.

Hey....they are America's verson of Nazi's...why should I have thought they would even THINK about RESIGINING! That's SO...."20th Century." :eyes:

[Mr_Spock]

35. I hope they don't resign. That would be worst possible outcome for Repukes

Please don't resign boys, please?

[KoKo]

37. I hope they don't resign? Are you saying you want to "stretch it out?"

What about "Honor/Morality?" Duty? Truth in Government?

:shrug:

[Mr_Spock]

40. I'm saying, if they don't resign, they'll drag the Repukes down with them

I'm all for seeing the (R) party totally destroy itself :D

They have no honor

[Flubadubya]

48. Stretch it out... Indeed!

KoKo... you must recall the old addage... "give them enough rope and they'll hang themselves". It would be just fine with me if they want to "stretch it out"... all that's going to get stretched, in the end, is their NECKS! Bwahahaha... what better outcome can you hope for?

This would put the criminal cabal front and center of the media storm that would ensue from such an action. Even if Fitzie can't convict them in a court of law... they would be ABSOLUTE CHOPPED LIVER in the court of public opinion. And, come election 2006... which is more important?

Only problem is... I'm sure Rove et. al. realize that and will, unfortunately and dutifully, "fall upon the Golden sword" for Dim Son. So sorry, but that's how I see it. Oh, these goddamed re:puke:s!!!

[KoKo]

54. I see what you say...

But it my worn out selfish, self...tired and been through the wringer...I had hopes...they would be forced to be humiliated and "fall on their swords," even though I knew that in a few months Tweety and Faux News would have them all on as "Consultants" ....I still had hope that the "old way" would come back.

But...yeah stretching it out. But, I wonder if most Americans these days would confuse it all with a "Reality/Survivor Show" and be rooting for them...instead of holding them in "low esteem."

I guess it could go both ways. I didn't grow up this way...so it bothers me alot. I guess I need to learn the "New Paradigm." :-(

[Rex]

38. Lil Dictator aint levin withou a fight!@

Drunk ass and all!

[deadparrot]

39. There's a definite chance that they won't.

Rove is Bush's BRAIN. How many people would willingly give up their brain?

[Disturbed]

42. "innocent until proven guilty"

Going agaisnt the grain here by reminding my fellow DUers that an indictment still requires a trial. No one is guilty of a crime legally until a trial is conducted and a person is judged to be guilty by a jury or a judge. I believe that this concept should apply to anyone, even to people that we despise.

[mmonk]

45. Too bad the administration doesn't believe everyone is due a fair trial

[texpatriot2004]

57. Well there is that and KARMA can be a real B-I-T-C-H nm

[amandabeech]

41. If those indicted do not resign, and even if they do,

nothing, absolutely nothing, will get done in the White House that is not directly related to the indictments, any continuing grand jury probe and any trial.

The rest of the pubbie party will be on its own from now until the regime changes. The problem for them will be greater if DeLay and Frist are kept out of action by their own legal problems.

This will bode well for the Dems in all elections from now through 2008! Happy Days!

Now if we can only come up with some good candidates!

[Zen Democrat]

43. I think Libby resigns. Rove may think he can stay on. He can't.

Bush probably changed his statement to "anyone convicted of a crime" to keep Rove around under the banner of "innocent until proven guilty."

Some things happened along the way -- hurricanes, skyrocketing oil prices, the War -- the DSMs and Cindy -- and now they are sitting on rock bottom. Republicans in the Senate and House will be way too freaked out by the polls to allow Rove to continue at the White House. I can foresee a show-down scenario between the Senate and the WH that could make the Harriet Miers fiasco look small in comparison.

[KoKo]

56. If Rove refuses to resign because he's only being "further investigated"

according to the Latest Breaking from the NYT's (whore paper of record) at least he will have "Gulliver Knots" all over his body.

He's already "off his game" given the disasters the Chimp has been presiding over....so I guess at least that's something.

I hope that Fitz has others more than Libby tomorrow. Otherwise there's going to be alot of moaning and groaning from all of us for Halloween weekend. Two years of investigation have to come up with more than Libby and I don't see how he could extend the GJ without having a couple more indictments.

I guess we will see. And if Libby and Rove don't resign...then we will know they are going to fake it out figuring the RW Spin Machine can work one more time...

[goodboy]

44. Then they'll drag Bush down with them...which is fine by me!

[goforit]

52. Will there be a revolution?

[libertypirate]

53. It only works if you have something to hold over the others head.

Since the president obviously has no leverage on Fitz then how would roves dirty politics work?

You have to have leverage to play dirty, as I see it Fitz is the one that could put a lot of pressure on them.

I wouldn't even think to offend the person that holds my entire future in their hands.

[stevietheman]

55. Is lynching a possibility? n/t

n/t