Should there be a stop Hillary movement?

[iconoclastNYC]

I think she'd be a diaster for our party. Even if she did win (which I think is unlikely, given her baggage and her huge negatives even before she gets Swifboated).... she'd moved the Democratic party further towards irrelevance. I firmly think she could kill our party by forcing the liberal base to splinter off forever.

Should we be working now to stop Hillary?

[thefloyd]

1. No

2006 is more important than 2008

[William769]

2. If there were one, I would fight it tooth & nail.

[iconoclastNYC]

4. How would you do that?

And since you are so gay friendly you might want to look at the company Hillary keeps. She loves to suck up to anti-gay religious types.

[William769]

8. With my new found wealth. N/T

[ronnykmarshall]

7. and I'll be right with you.

What a bunch of shit.

[Missy M]

13. I'm with you. I think Hillary Clinton would make a fine candidate...

for president. She is a real fighter. She won in New York against all odds and did it with hard work and never giving up. I don't always agree with her but would vote for her in a New York minute. Why would any Democrat want to have a Stop Hillary Movement?

[William769]

18. The only reason I can think of is to help the right wing agenda.

[itzamirakul]

58. What do you mean, "She won in NY against all odds?"

Hillary was ushered into office in NY. Bill's popularity at the time and everyone's pity for her being the maligned but loyal wife got her the job with no problem. And I am not denying the fact that she is a brilliant woman.

The problem is, "Once a Goldwater Girl, always a Goldwater Girl."

Hillary has never stopped being a Republican.

Bill is honey-doving it with Bush, Sr.

Why would we even consider having her run for Prez? No one wants that except the Repubs and that includes the DLC.

She is my Senator and I am trying to find a way to replace her in THAT job!

[blm]

3. I can think of several Dems who can defeat her at the debates which is

exactly where any candidate should be defeated.

But stop anyone movements are anti-democratic in my view.

[iconoclastNYC]

11. How is it anti-Demcratic to share your oppinion.

What I think is undemocratic is people who by virtue of being married to an expresident get to pole vault over tons of other qualified people to get a Senator's seat and/or the Presidency.

Nepotism is very anti-democratic.

[blm]

19. well what you are saying is true...there's nepotism involved

but she was qualified to a greater degree than most.

And it was just my personal view that stop movements are anti-democratic as I believe the most democratic act is to let people have their say unencumbered and let the voter decide.

Now, if only the media would go along with that.

[iconoclastNYC]

55. I disagree.

When connections and cronyism and nepotism and party bosses propel you to front runner status i think the only thing that can ensure a democratic primary is a concerted effort by the base to ensure that other candidates are given a fair look by the media and the populace.

[jobycom]

5. I love her, I think she'd be great for the liberal base of our party, and

I would fight any "Stop Hillary" movement.

Just my 2 cents.

[DURHAM D]

6. No. We have more important things to do. eom

[Vincardog]

9. This whole Hillary for Dem Pres in 08 is a put up by the RePigLickins

Don't give them any energy. We do not need to oppose their candidate for our party's positions. We need to find and support our candidates.

[leetrisck]

10. Sorry - I would be opposing it

Hillary's is a great lawyer, mother, spouse, First Lady, Senator and an all around decent human being and I believe she would make a great President. If she runs, I will support her.

[patricia92243]

22. Agree - 100% n/t

[ClintonTyree]

12. No........

I don't think there should be a "stop anyone" movement, with one exception. george w. bush.

Let the people decide. We at DU are not the only Democrats in the party and independents will have a lot to do with anyone's electability. The most important thing is getting a Democrat in the White House. After that we can start working on the other things but NOTHING gets accomplished with a Republican in power. One step at a time for now.

[union_maid]

14. I don't want her either

I guess we should be working to promote other candidates. I don't think attacks on her would be a good thing. If she does wind up being the candidate she'll be the better of the two - guaranteed.

[Greybnk48]

15. I love Hillary

and would not support a campaign to damage her.

[afdip]

16. we should be concentrating on anti-repuke and not anti-hillary. . .

keep your eyes on the prize & forget internecine warfare.

[AntiCoup2K4]

37. It's the same damn thing

Hillary is a tool of the traitorous neocon agenda. A vote for her IS a vote for the Republicans. Same with any of the other DLC puppets.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

17. Hi DU, Finally Signed Up

Been lurking since before the 04 election but finally decided it was time to partake in the discussions rather than just reading them. (By the way, DU is the most addictive site in the world and I couldn't live without all the incredible investigative news found here!)

Anyway, in reference to the topic, I am torn at times with Hillary. I would rather see a Barbara Boxer type in the WH, but if Hillary has the best shot I would rather her than a repub anyday, but I'm not sure if that's enough to support her 100%. No matter what though, I will definitely be behind the Democratic candidate 100% once primaries are through.

In the past year though I've been watching CSPAN 1-3 religiously. I've learned a lot from watching the House and Senate. I was wondering what other DU'rs opinions were on this: That control of the House and Senate is more important then winning the WH. That may be Naive on my part, but I can't stand the way we can't get anything done in congress, and how it is all whitewashed. I'm beginning to think that control of congress is where the power is, moreso than the WH itself (Even SC nominees would be in our control, technically.)

So the way I see it, fighting back control in 06 is far more important right now.

Oh, and hi everybody, be gentle!

[William769]

21. Welcome to DU OPERATIONMINDCRIME

I hope you enjoy your stay here. :hug:

[Missy M]

23. Welcome to DU, it's a pleasure to have you with us.

[Danascot]

33. Welcome OPERATIONMINDCRIME

from a fellow relative newcomer.

I agree that DU is highly addictive. The 'Latest' part of the discussion groups is like reading a 24/7 ticker tape for progressives. Thanks to DU, by the time a story gets to the MSM I usually know a lot more about it than ever makes it into the wider world.

Hold onto your hat; DU is going to be a very exciting place to be during the Bush/Repug/RW implosion!

[DURHAM D]

39. Good observation. 2006 is extremely important. If

we get the House in 2006 then the possibility of taking the WH or the Senate (or both) in 2008 increases tremendously. First thing that has to happen is vote counting reform. I think the House is much more likely to address the issue. Most Senate members are too busy trying to figure out how to become Pres.

Enjoy the ride here - it is very, very addictive. My friends have considered an intervention for me but then they started checking out DU and got the bug.

[DanCa]

20. No but I when I filled out my friends of hillary question I asked that she

not run. I said that the only way i could vote for her if she were the nom and the green party candidate was against scresearch.

[Christa]

24. No - Hillary for President

we could do much worse.

[Hardrada]

45. Zell Miller??

[geek tragedy]

25. I prefer a "Stop the Republicans" movement. eom

[durrrty libby]

26. In a word ..........NO!

My favorite dems are Dean, Gore and Kerry, and believe any of them would be a great president.

I think Hillary should be given a chance by her own party. She is strong, intelligent, great leader potential, and has already been through hell in Washington, and came back stronger. Is it because if her war stance that people don’t like her? I am against the war, but I have to give her another listen on that. Don’t forget people hate the perception of flip-flop.

Besides, the super duper bonus would be Bill back in the WH. I have no shame and freely admit I would love having his influence scattered about the world again.

[OxQQme]

28. Hillary rocks

Care for the children and the elderly are high on her list.
Universal health care. Delightful to hear her speak inteligently, unscripted. Balanced in the turmoil that must be the political world.
I'd support her.
Just saying from a retired, living on SS payments, 65 year observation point.
She's a looker in pants, and in dresses. And I refer not to her physical smilling self.
We seriously need a 'mommy-ness' added to our country's psych.

[donheld]

51. In a word ..........Welcome to DU

:hi:

[Sterling]

27. I don't think you will need one.

She is one of the most hated people in America. I doubt she will keep her seat in 06.

[LSdemocrat]

29. Hell no.

[Danascot]

30. Hillary and Schumer are my senators

and I'm mostly proud of them. ...though Hillary's continuing support of the war is a major problem. I voted for Hillary, contributed money and worked for her campaign. I think she'd be an excellent president.

That said, I think it would be a mistake to run her because it would be too polarizing. That would be the only thing the MSM could think about and any other issue would be drowned out. I'd like her to stay in the senate and continue to serve New York.

But it would also be a mistake to mount a "Stop Hillary" campaign. One of the reasons the Repugs are now in charge of everything is that we Dems spent so much time fighting among ourselves.

For now we need to speak out against the current evil, agree on and clearly articulate what we stand for to the American people and work to elect every progressive from school board to president over the next 3 years.

I'm not real concerned at the moment about who to run. Dems are beginning to find their spine and the Bushco implosion will leave a vacuum that cries out for new leadership. Let's see who emerges as our leaders and pick a good one - who can win.

[deutsey]

31. I don't want her to run, but I say no

That's what the democratic process is about: anyone can try to convince the rest of us to vote for them.

In Hillary's case, hopefully more progressive forces will prevail and convince voters to vote otherwise.

[stevietheman]

32. If she doesn't repudiate her Iraq vote by next summer, YES. n/t

n/t

[Little Star]

34. Why would we eat our own?

We need all our energy to fight the other party. She may not be perfect but she sure as all hell is better than anyone on the other side. She is my number 2 choice. Edwards is my number 1 choice as of today and has been since the last primaries. I went Kerry when I saw that the rest of the party wanted him and I am not sorry I did so. Well, except for the concession with no fight.

[iconoclastNYC]

56. Because we want the best candidate

It's not just about who can win. it's about who can best lead our party as well as our country. Do you think some Republicans wish there had been a stop Bush movement back in 1999. I rest my case.

[OnionPatch]

35. I'm thinking

or at least hoping, that the Stop Hillary movement is going to be the Democratic Primaries. :shrug: There are quite a few Dems I would prefer to her. Still, I'll be popping the champagne the day ANY Dem is elected president, her included.

[ThomWV]

36. Say The Word "Hatred" and Reflect On Hillary Running

Half the country's blood comes to a boil at the mention of her name, and you think she has a snowball's chance in hell of winning? Not a single chance.

The very best thing she can do for the Party is enjoy life as a Senator.

But .... Organize to deny her the free speach we all cherish? Hell no.

[cynatnite]

38. Would you work with the repukes to stop her?

You might as well step over and join them if you do, IMO.

[AntiCoup2K4]

40. I certainly hope you weren't part of the "Stop Dean" jihad then....

Because a couple factions of people on this board were. And I guess you just called them all Republicans.

Which probably wasn't far from the truth with some of them.

[cynatnite]

43. Actually wasn't a member of DU back then...

If Hillary runs and gets the nomination I personally don't believe any dem should make an all-out effort in stopping her. First off, she's got the right to throw her hat in the ring just like anyone else. And if she got the nomination I say let's support her all the way to the WH. Once there, we can bitch, email, complain or do whatever when she does stuff we don't like.

I'm about beating these repuke shitheads that stole our country. I'm sick of them putting party before country at our expense.

There are a few repubs I respect, but when it comes to the next president, I want a democrat. It's the only way I see this country starting to come back from the nightmare we've been in since bush took office.

I'm to the point of wishing the republican party would implode and be no more.

[Connie_Corleone]

41. Hillary has just as much right as any other Democrat to run for president.

Why eat our own? DU'ers aren't the only Democrats in this country. All of us should have an opportunity to VOTE for the nominee of our choice.

[skipos]

42. I think will probably be the most unelectable candidate, but no.

[ruggerson]

44. There already is: His Name Is MARK WARNER n/t

[Roxy66]

46. No n/t

[JohnnyCougar]

47. Yes. I'm not voting for her, no matter what.

I'll definitely vote Green and be proud if Hillary is nominated.

[Justice Is Comin]

48. No.

I want to play with the idea of a Clinton-Clinton ticket and watch the freepers heads explode.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

49. There is one

It's called "the Republican Party". I'm not sure helping them is a good idea, though.

For God's sake, if you think a specific candidate would be better than Hillary then by all means support them, but don't do anything that will damage her chances of winning if she is selected unless you really think she isn't preferable to Santorum or Brownback.

[donheld]

50. Rush Limbaugh would be glad to help you with that

:eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes:

[Crazy Guggenheim]

52. I don't think she's going to run.

[donheld]

53. Haven't you got anything more to worry about?

Downing Street Memo. PNAC. Iraq quagmire. Valerie Plame. CIA secret prisons. 2006 midterm elections. media consolidation. Any of these should keep you busy enough so you won't have time to worry about Ms Clinton for quite some time.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

54. All's you have to do is say this: Are the people who are supporting

Hillary ready for a media onslaught that is going to make 2004 look like a picnic?

[William769]

57. Well I guess you got you answer from fellow Duer's

:rofl:

[Cats Against Frist]

59. I don't want Hillary -- but an anti-Hillary campaign could backfire

It's obvious from the polls that even most Democrats support a Hillary run, over other candidates, at this point. Hillary is not as popular at DU, and an anti-Hillary campaign could only serve the pukes, if she gets the nom in the party. I also think many anti-Hillary people will get swept up in her PR, and regret their initial slams.

Edited to add: I think Howard Dean is a good example -- many Dems were against him, because the pukes were too good at painting him as a possible conservative. This could have the same effect.

[leeroysphitz]

60. Why wont Senator Clinton and others admit they were DUPED?

In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001.

It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security. -George W. Bush...

WHOOPS I mean" -Hilary Clinton October 10, 2002 on the floor of the senate "( http://clinton.senate.gov/speeches/iraq_101002.html )