BUSH INC Blew it

[BeFree]

They invaded Afghanistan with near unanimous consent (not mine). When the invasion of Iraq took place they still had something like 60 percent backing. They could have sent in enough troops to keep the peace but they didn't. Why?

Well, it's the same old story of the downfall of the greedy. The decision to take the profits right away were more important than the success of the whole endeavor. The result? A failed enterprise.

Only this one was the biggest ever in the history of the US, except for Viet Nam, of course, costing billions of dollars and thousands of lives, while alienating the rest of the world.

They could have had a thousand year empire, but they blew it for a handful of dollars.

[Gyre]

1. They'll be back again in 20 years like last time.

Just in time for the dems to repair the damage to the economy. Never overestimate the intelligence nor underestimate the naivete of our fellow Americans.

Gyre

[Tom Joad]

2. I don't think we had enough troops to "keep the peace".

they really wanted to keep a piece.
The Iraqis never would have been happy with the occupation.

More troops would have meant more dead troops.

[BeFree]

3. Maybe

But had they cleaned out the stockpiles of munitions found everywhere there would have been less IEDs. There was probably no way to placate the Iraqis but having more policemen about would have calmed the situation. The thing is bushinc did it as cheap as possible so that they could maximize the profits, leading to the miserable failure to which we now bear witness.

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. You are wrong, they needed the chaos, easier to steal

in full chaos, just look at all the money missing when Bremmer was in charge... and it has just gotten worst... why do you think they also wanted chaos after Katrina?

[FreedomAngel82]

5. Yes

Chaos is their best friend. Why else do they have so many scandals all going on? So they can still do their main agenda while you're focusing on something else that doesn't have anything to do with their main agenda (which is the PNAC plans). With chaos they'll leave you running around in circles thinking you're going to get them but you don't. You just get a small piece of the large pie.

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. Some of the scandals are not and will not serve their goals

but they do need chaos

[BeFree]

7. Yeah chaos

But the people are awakening to their plans. Had Iraq gone smoothly (hardly likely I know) the plans for empire would be moving right along. As it is, an invasion of Syria now seems politically undoable, and we will be out of Iraq in two years, and the empire will be humiliated.

They could have had so much more, but the taking of short term profits have ruined them for good.

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. mid tern, not good

they will be back, pay attention to the mid grade staffers, for they will be back in 20, for I trust the short term memory of the American people and our lack of teaching of history....

Go and ask the following question from your friends, (no, not the politically awake ones), what was Rummy's post in the Nixon WH?

[BeFree]

9. They will be back, indeed

They will try to come back, but with the internet it will be very hard for them to escape scrutiny. We shall forever hound them.

People will always have to deal with emergent empires, as we are today. But with the free flow of info uncontained, I do think we shall overcome. I hope so anyway.

Peace

[ConsAreLiars]

10. dupe deleted

[BeFree]

12. Ah, yes, reality

Such as the Romans, eh? Or the Brits? Ok, so maybe not a thousand years but still....

I don't believe they would ever succeed, I just threw it out as a point to discuss, as you have done. But think this: they probably believe they could have had just that - a thousand year empire. Their plans are now shattered and it's partly due to the fact they took the short term goals instead of sticking to the long term objective of empire.

America will be humiliated by this and we can thank bushinc for that, and you won't ever forget it, eh?

[ConsAreLiars]

13. Their plans are shatterred because they were insane plans,

not because they were frugal and trying to save a buck. They are ideologues of the worst sort, Straussians, psychopaths who believe that the only limits to power are those imposed by letting any vestige of morality influence their decisions. Their PNAC plans were never based in reality. Just a bunch of ruling class twits jerking off while fantasizing about their invincibility.

(seems I deleted the wrong post)

[ConsAreLiars]

11. Only the most insane think that

"They could have had a thousand year empire." They are nazis at their core, but those who think they might have succeeded if the planned better or spent a few more dollars or lives have no grasp of reality at all. The same goes for all those, Dems included, who think that anything will bring "victory," or that there is any alternative to complete withdrawal other than endless bloodshed.

[LunaC]

14. Afghanistan was only a pretext to get to Iraq

Iraq was their main target since 1998. See link in sig line for details.