Wasn't it rumored that Hadley and/or Hannah

[shraby]

were flipped real early in the investigation? H20, help me here.

[Walt Starr]

1. As reported by Raw Story

My guess is, Fitzgerald already knew this informaiton from Woodward.

[LSparkle]

2. Downie on CNN just confirmed Card as one of the sources

and said Libby was another ... guess Hadley was the third.

[shraby]

3. Quite the rat's nest isn't it? Problem is,

the rats have made their nest in the people's white house.

[Beetwasher]

5. Card As A Source For What?

:shrug:

[marylanddem]

7. No - It was confusing but Downie did not confirm that Card gave

Plame's name to Saint Bob - he just said that the saint had talked with Card. Downie was confusing & obfuscatory. I think he was blowing more smoke than anything else.

[H2O Man]

4. Yes.

However, the information on Woodward was brought to Fitzgerald's attention on 11-2-05, at about 1:20 pm est.

[stop the bleeding]

10. Ok, I'll bite, why is the date and time so precise/important??

I am assuming that it is, or is this just for reference?

There has been sooooo many details and events on this that I am starting to question everything even when a question is probably not needed.

[H2O Man]

11. That is the date

that Fitzgerald was told that Woodward was involved.

[mmonk]

12. Who was it that mentioned Woodward to Fitz?

[H2O Man]

13. It looks like

Rawstory has a good source saying Hannah. At the same time, Hardball is saying it may be Cheney. It may be that there were several sources.

[mmonk]

17. What bothers me is that Cheney

now has Hannah close to his vest so to speak. The question is, what does Cheney know about what Fitz knows?

[H2O Man]

19. I'd speculate

that VP Spiro Cheney knows that Fitzgerald knows what his role is. The current high-stakes chess game has to do with if Fitzgerald can prove what he knows. A good prosecutor does not shoot too high.

[burythehatchet]

20. Spiro was a jaywalker compared to these crimes.

:mad:

[H2O Man]

22. True.

But I sure like abusing his memory.

[burythehatchet]

25. Have at it, my friend. I was a 12 year old immigrant fresh

from India at the time, so my memories are very vague on that subject.

[H2O Man]

28. It's funny:

Bush & Co. are so repulsive that they make Nixon seem almost human. But not Agnew. He remains the same.

[shraby]

14. Question is, why was it brought to Fitz's attention

this late in the game? There has to be a strategery involved.

[H2O Man]

15. Sure.

Who might he be trying to take the focus of attention off?

Same as in the first Plame Thread: it's not so important to know "who" or "how," as to know "why."

[notadmblnd]

18. That victoria toensing(sp?)

said on CNN that this presents a problem for the prosecution because that it shows that Libby may have not lied.. Just simply forgot.

these are supposedly the brightest minds in the country running this show and if they can't remember what they say and who they say it to, it's time for them to get out. My 12 yr old could run the country better.

[H2O Man]

21. One can claim

to have forgotten a conversation that really took place. It is quite another thing to remember a conversation that never took place. Mr. Libby told the FBI investigators and the grand jury a detailed account of a conversation that never took place with Russert. No problem.

[notadmblnd]

24. I know she's just carrying water for the little bastard

but it confirms the speculation here earlier that Woodward was/is setting up the defense for Libby.

[H2O Man]

26. Not for Libby.

Trust me on this. He is not doing it for Libby.

[notadmblnd]

27. bush?

nt

[swag]

6. Hannah was apparently flipped way back.

one of many references:

http://houseoflabor.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/10/19/114651/62

Hadley I would sincerely doubt.

[Roland99]

8. Hannah and Wurmser.

[mmonk]

9. There was speculation Hannah started

flipping during the AIPAC scandal.

[notadmblnd]

16. supposedly now there's two of them

woodwards boss said on CNN that one name was coming out today and the other name will come out in the press tomorrow. 1+1=2

[mmonk]

23. I guess this is good in that it helps show

a conspiracy. The problem for the administration is trying to plug all the holes in the dike.