Was Henry "Scoop" Jackson the father of the PNAC? * hiding info on him?

[Roland99]

http://www.progressiveindependent.com/shalom/pia/DLC_PNAC.htm

The AEI, the PNAC & the DLC were founded by Scoop Jackson democrats who follow the philosophy of Leo Strauss. To this day the DLC is stacked with neo-conservative ideologues, who maintain deep personal ties to the war-mongers in the Bush Administration.

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From Jackson's office:
Paul Wolfowitz
Richard Perle
Frank Gaffney

From Moynihan's office:
Elliott Abrams
Abram Shulsky
Gary Schmitt

Why are the feds probing long-dead "Scoop" Jackson?
http://www.pnionline.com/dnblog/extra/archives/001462.html

A bizarre news story out of Washington State has us wondering how far the feds are going in probing the pro-Iraq war neocons and their ties to the Israeli lobby back in D.C. -- and whether some DOD/CIA types are frantically trying to cover their tracks.

Yesterday, a small paper out that way, the Everett Daily-Herald, carried a blockbuster of a story. It reported that a team of five federal agents -- three from the CIA, and one each from the Department of Defense and the the U.S. Department of Engery -- showed up at the University of Washington to search through the archival papers of the late Washington Sen. Henry M. "Scoop" Jackson. (We were alerted to the story off this posting on Daily Kos.)

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The federal team apparently found what it was looking for, after culling through some 1,200 boxes of Jackson's papers over several days. A library official (who's probably in a heap o' trouble right now for spilling the beans) said that 10 documents were removed and classified as top secret.

The paper doesn't know what the feds were looking for, and neither do we. Given the make-up of the team, including a DOE official, it's always possible there was concern about information related to nuclear weapons (the Hanford nuclear site is in Jackson's home state) getting in the hands of terrorists.

OR, this could be connected to the hottest under-the-radar story inside the Beltway right now, an FBI probe over whether insiders were passing policy secrets regarding Iran to the D.C.-based American Israel Public Affairs Committee, or AIPAC. A Pentagon official named Larry Franklin has been targeted in the probe, but many suspect the investigation goes much deeper into the neo-con movement. Franklin worked for another Pentagon neo-con, Douglas Feith, who was the No. 3 official in the Defense Department but surprised many by abruptly quitting "to spend more time with his family."

I think we know why now!!!

CIA reclassifies Scoop Jackson's records.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/2/15/201851/101

Strange indeed. What in the world could Scoop Jackson have in his records that needs to be scrubbed today? It must have to do with someone currently in the administration, but we're talking about 22 year old records so whatever it is, it must be huge even by today's nonaccountability standards.

CIA seizes Sen. Jackson papers
http://www.heraldnet.com/stories/05/02/15/100loc_jackson001.cfm

Last week the federal document security team spent three days in the special collections division of the UW Suzzallo-Allen library. The officials, which also included people from the Department of Defense and Department of Energy, combed through 1,200 boxes of material using a five-binder index to find the targeted papers.

Carla Rickerson, head of special collections, said the team removed up to 10 documents.

She would not disclose the exact number or subject matter of the documents because of the university's privacy policies.

Rickerson said the papers, now considered classified, are being held in a secure location on campus until federal authorities declassify them.

What are they hiding?!?!

[htuttle]

1. During the Philby affair in the UK...

...did MI5/MI6 ever go back and look up all the Cambridge school records of the principles? I could see a similar thing happening here if that is the motive. Or more likely, someone at DoD is trying to cover those associations up (ie., save the remaining 'moles').

[afdip]

2. next thing you know they'll be re-classifying karl wittfogel's

"oriental despotism" top secret . . . from whence all the pnac anti-soviet thoughts spring.

[newswolf56]

3. The Everett Herald is not a "small paper." It is The Washington Post,

owned an operated by The Post -- especially as a training school for its reporters -- since the late 1970s.

It is also by far the best newspaper in Washington state, where at every other media outlet, the dismal norm is Chamber of Commerce journalism: censorship of any major story not approved by the business community -- hence, for example, the total suppression of the impending bankruptcy of the Washington Public Power Supply System (first revealed by the late Seattle Sun in 1974 but censored by most local mainstream media until the actual WPPSS bankruptcy in 1984 -- the largest government bond failure in human history.)

The Everett Herald declared its independence from the state's rigidly controlled, viciously xenophobic ("we're not like those Jews and Commies back East"), bottomlessly corrupt pseudo-journalism immediately after The Post bought The Herald. A year later it demonstrated its new commitment to excellence in manner none could ignore and every real journalist in Washington state (secretly) applauded: The Herald accused its publisher of collaborating with business interests to suppress stories and fired him for it -- on Page One!

Footnote: The Seattle Sun (1974-1981) was probably (second only to The Village Voice) the best alternative newspaper in the history of American journalism. It was destroyed -- predictably -- by a Big Business advertising boycott.

[peacetalksforall]

4. This paragraph came up when I tried to check out the Karl figure named....

in an above thread.

"He published Oriental Despotism: A Comparative Study of Total Power in 1957. The book examines the origins of complex societies and states. Historical in nature, the book identifies the management of water as a method for Chinese emperors to gain total power over their people. The emperors developed "hydraulic societies" that inspired others like the Communists to the same ends, central power."

http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/information/biography/uvwxyz/wittfogel_karlaugust.html That is MN State U.

Water, water, not everywhere in pure form.

I find it interesting because our PNAC group is very interested in the world's largest water source in South America (or the world?) on the borders of Paraguay, Brazil, Argentina, and Uruguay.

And this is from naturesource.org

"A Framework for Sustainable Conservation Practices in the Guaraní Aquifer of Paraguay

The Guaraní aquifer is the largest freshwater aquifer in South America, covering more than 1.2 million square kilometers and spanning four countries—Paraguay, Brazil, Uruguay, and Argentina (see map below). The aquifer underlies nearly 20% of Paraguay, covering a vast landscape of 72,000 square kilometers in the southeastern portion of the country. This region represents one of the most important recharge zones for the entire Guaraní, and as such is critical to the health and management of this international natural resource."

Rev Moon is there - has bought millions of acres. Rumsfeld's military has an in with the leaders of Paraguay - claim their military presence is because terrorists are crossing the borders to go to Bolivia or fight our soldiers. We're are kinda at war with Bolivia - lots of espionage and some threats going on there by the U.S. Bechtel has and is trying to privatize all of the water of the people of Bolivia. And the country has gas and minerals - 25-30 years ago it was Chile - Kissinger, CIA, ITT, and Anaconda land.

This water connection in South America is very perplexing. We know our leaders are into privatizing. We know they are into control of the world. We know Rev Moon plans to rule the world. We know that the Bush family and certain members of Congress and the Senate are V E R Y good friends of Moon - arranged to have our Congressman participate in Moon crowning Moon in a government room in Washington. Why does Moon need millions of acres of land? Oh yes, didn't our military build some airports and things in Paraguay? Did you give the approval for your money going to build things in Paraguay? Could your tax dollars be used to build things for Moon? Nah, he is very rich as are his friends in the WH and at Carlyle and Bechtel.

[radio4progressives]

5. Bolivia, and Chile have elections coming up ..

and the leading contenders in each country are described as "leftists" that are wildly popular among the population.

Hugo Chavez's urgings and plans in developing a unified South American Coalition (there is an ancronym which i can't recall right now)to develop independnt socio-economic policies and programs and enter agreements which that benefit all of South America. They've been struggling against U.S. dominance over their resources and even their Media (!) for decades and now.

And then we have members in congress and the press charachterizing this as "anti-Americanism" and saber rattling against Chavez and his "egregious, dictatorial policies"

aaarggghh

[afdip]

6. it's even more obtuse than that, karl wittfogel was this guy

who was loved by the precursors to today's neocons . . . he called stalin the "red khan" . . . the scoop jackson connection was that he was virulently anti-soviet, from that old 1950's post ww2 school that produced the hoover institute, donald treadgold, etc. there's more but it's even more esoteric than this.

[peacetalksforall]

7. I thought it was interesting that someone the new-cons looked up to

was a hydraulics expert and an author of political teachings that had water as the key to properity and rule and that is where we are at in the Middle East, South America, and in our country - which is also all about privatization with profits for a few. (The story of water in Bolivia is amazing - the people who should own their own water have to fight with Bechtel).

Part of the reason for war in the Middle East is to make sure water to Israel flows side-by-side with the oil pipelines. They need a line from Afghanistan, Pakistan - direct to the Mediterranean through Iraq, Iran, Syria, etc.

Our PNAC and the nofaces they work for is about water equal to oil in the long term.

[Roland99]

8. Reminds me. I was going to start doing regular research on water rights.

Water is the new oil.

[afdip]

11. you've got it wrong; it's the other way around . . . .

oil is the new water.

[Roland99]

12. Oil has a finite lifespan, though.

[afdip]

10. i wouldn't count too heavily on the water aspect . . . wittfogel

became the 'poster boy' as much because of his anti-soviet stand as 'hydraulic societies.' what is more interesting to me, personally, is how all today's pnac'ers started off as rabidly anti-soviet, pro-israeli democrats of the scoop jackson model and evolved into what they are today, seeking the imposition of the amerikan model upon the world. they are the new amerika utopians . . . and just as realistic as all utopians.

[newswolf56]

9. My best guess as to what "they"are hiding is a connection to...

the CIA/MI-6 overthrow of Iranian Prime Minister Mossadegh in 1953. This was motivated by a two-pronged hatred/fear of Communism -- specifically (1) that through Mossadegh the Soviet Union would gain control of Iran and thus the Middle East's oil; also (2) that Communism might break the already burgeoning stranglehold of the Islamic Fundamentalists on the region; it is important to note that even in the early '50s, capitalism was financing Islamic Fundamentalism as a means of maintaining control of the region. Moreover, the overthrow of Mossadegh (and the financing of Islamic Fundamentalism in general) is regarded by all the more objective historians as the starting-point of the events that led to 9/11.

The extent of U.S. involvement in the ouster of Mossadegh has never been established -- as far as I know the KGB/GRU documents on the subject have been suppressed (or at least censored in the United States) -- so if the Jackson documents disclose any details (especially the financial support for Islamic Fundamentalism) the Bush Administration would certainly have a strong motive to cover it up -- particularly if it identifies or points to specific corporations as sources of fundamentalist money even 50 years ago.

This possibility makes even more sense -- especially given the controversy over the Bush Administration's Supreme Court appointees -- because Bush, the Republicans and the corporate oligarchy in general are trying desperately to hide the extent to which capitalism has always functioned hand-in-glove with Abrahamic fundamentalism (whether Jewish, Christian or Muslim) to oppress and exploit workers, especially in terms of ensuring unquestioning obedience to management and hostility to unions as "satanic."

Another possibility -- perhaps even more damning -- revolves around the fact many of us have always believed President Carter was deliberately sandbaged by hawks in vengeance for his efforts at rapprochement with the U.S.S.R. and on behalf human rights in Central and South America. In fact the seizure of our embassy in Tehran did have let-it-happen-on-purpose (LIHOP) written all over it, especially since the British had seen the "student" uprising coming and had prepared their own embassy accordingly: an attempt by the "students" to take the British Embassy was repelled by Royal Marines. If Jackson's papers prove the embassy takeover was LIHOP'd -- especially if the LIHOP effort involved present-day Republicans -- that would be big news indeed.

A third possibility is that there is an embarrassing connection between Jackson and the spread of nuclear capabilities throughout the Middle East: despite an overall record of environmentalism, Jackson was paradoxically a staunch, even vicious advocate of nuclear generation and the nuclear-power industry in general, never mind the consequences whether environmental or political. (Indeed -- if memory serves -- Jackson was one of the more powerful advocates for the Washington Public Power Supply System, Washington state's effort to impose four nuclear reactors on a thoroughly enraged public, for which see above.) How ironic if Jackson (probably in the name of rivalry with the U.S.S.R. but mostly to help U.S. corporations) was an early facilitator of the Iranian or Iraqi nuclear programs?

In any case, NPR also covered the document-seizure in detail (which strongly suggests The Washington Post did too -- a near certainty given The Post's relationship to The Herald). Here is the NPR link:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4535175

(Sorry I am so late getting back to this thread: ongoing and ever more frustrating component-failure problems with a new Hewlett-Packard computer.)