Views from Freeperland on Murtha.

[donco6]

Just some of the more typical, bits from a thread regarding Murtha. They're on extra Whine mode tonight!



MURTHA BREAKS (Dreher, The Corner)
The Corner ^ | Nov 17 05 | Rod Dreher


Posted on 11/17/2005 4:20:47 PM PST by churchillbuff


Don't know how many of you caught Rep. John Murtha's very angry, very moving speech just now in which he called on the White House to institute an immediate withdrawal of US troops from Iraq. CNN didn't air the entire thing, but as I listened to it, I could feel the ground shift. Murtha, as you know, is not a Pelosi-style Chardonnay Democrat; he's a crusty retired career Marine who reminds me of the kinds of beer-slugging Democrats we used to have before the cultural left took over the party. Murtha, a conservative Dem who voted for the war, talked in detail about the sacrifices being borne by our soldiers and their families, and about his visits out to Walter Reed to look after the maimed, and how we've had enough, it's time to come home. He was hell on the president too.

If tough, non-effete guys like Murtha are willing to go this far, and can make the case in ways that Red America can relate to -- and listening to him talk was like listening to my dad, who's about the same age, and his hunting buddies -- then the president is in big trouble. I'm sure there's going to be an anti-Murtha pile-on in the conservative blogosphere, but from where I sit, conservatives would be fools not to take this man seriously.



To: churchillbuff
"I like guys who have never been there to criticize us who have been there. I like that. I like guys that have got five deferments and never been there ands end people to war and then don't like to hear suggestions about what needs to be done."
--John Murtha, when asked his opinion on the president and vice president's comments about the Democrats' lying short and selective memory about the run-up to this war

John Murtha can kiss my commoner redneck ass.


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To: fat city
"unwinnable"

Yes, unwinnable in the sense that we've already won.

Murtha needs to redefine war.

We have established a democracy in the heart of Islam.

We've already won that war.

We need to win the GWOT.

Murtha is not helping.



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To: RichInOC
So I have to go to Iraq before I can say I want the War on Terror over there where it is now and not over here where it was in 2001?

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To: Steve_Seattle
Hey, the Democrats have always been the cut and run party.

African Americans would still be toiling in the fields if Democrats had gotten their way and won the election (during the Civil War). Or at least spent another couple of decades in slavery.

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To: churchillbuff
Your so anti-Bush that I am sure you loved every minute of Murtha's comments.

He is getting old, a lapdog of Pelosi, and you think that most of us in Middle America are going to pay attention to Murtha -- think again -- people calling in the radio are mad. He is nothing more than a mouthpiece for Pelosi.

He has now joined the side of the traitors and and might as well have said our military who died would have died for nothing with his cut and run statement. As Speaker of the House Hastert said after Murtha's outburst, that these people have forgot what happened on 9-11! Also Murtha is a member of the House Leadership which means his credibility is zero, zip, nada!

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To: churchillbuff
WARD Churchillbluff: Murtha breaks Wind and a few hundred thousand calls and emails cascaded into his office condemning his assinine remarks.

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To: churchillbuff
Oh,I think we take the whole thing seriously. Especially, the Republicans who are abandoning the ship in a storm. I really fear for this country if there are no REAL MEN left that will stand up and fight the biggest threat this country has ever known. Thank God there are still REAL MEN in the military,the WH,on Freeper's and one next to my side at night. God help this country if we lose our nerve in this fight.

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To: churchillbuff
From Jeff Goldstein's blog:

Typical Dreher—tells us all that the sky is falling, then tries to barricade himself against criticism for his flabby, defeatist attitude by predicting that criticism in advance. So very very brave of Rod. “A pox on those conservative bloggers and their reactionary response to reason,” he practically squeals. “Why won’t they just resign themselves to the truth?—that when a ‘crusty’ retired Marine begins making impassioned speeches about surrendering in Iraq, well, it’s game over, man. Game over!”
All rather transparent, I think.

To me, what is so insulting about posts like Dreher’s is that they strain so very hard to appear dispassionate; and yet, one really need not be part of the evil VRWC Dreher seems tacitly to believe is alive and well and living on the right side of the blogosphere to be able see through such barely concealed panic and rhetorical hamfistedness.

Here’s the thing: It’s okay to say you are now for withdrawing the troops, Rod. Really— there’s no need to soften us with a lot of heavyhanded talk about defining moments and ground shifts.

But what you shouldn’t do is insult our intelligence. It’s quite possible to take someone like Murtha seriously (perhaps he truly is passionate in his convictions, irrelevant though that may be) and to find him absolutely and unabashedly wrong at the same time. At which point, our taking him seriously on the strength of his emotional appeals has very little whatever to do with how we should regard the war in Iraq, which, from a truly dispassionate standpoint, we simply cannot afford to lose.

Dreher suggests that he is simply warning conservatives that once they lose people like Murtha, the war effort is in trouble. But the fact of the matter is, the war effort is only in trouble if people like Dreher—writing for the National Review—continue to make a big deal out of losing every Democrat like Murtha, who has clearly allowed emotionalism to cloud his better judgment.

The war in Iraq is right because it is right. And that’s all there is to it, really. We must stay until the war is won. Anything short of that would prove a terrible strategic blow to this country, and would make us less safe for years to come.

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To: GEC
Murtha takes no comments via e-mail or anything that I can find. This pig has to go down. (Not nice, but he looks like a pig).

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To: RichInOC
John Murtha gets it ALL WRONG.
I listened to Fred Barnes on FoxNews with Brit and Fred nailed him...and I found what he said sooo right on.

I have military friends talk about Iraq and their story is totally different than what the lousy media continues to display. It makes them really angry because LOTS AND LOTS of great things are taking place in Iraq.

I wonder HOW MANY TIMES John Murtha has been to Iraq and really set down and talked to those soldiers? He's talking to families who've had sons over there 3 times. I've got family that's been in Iraq and Afghanistan 4 times....that's his job. And he's not complaining.

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To: PhiKapMom
He is getting old. John Patrick Murtha, Jr. (born June 17, 1932)
Murtha is 73 years old.

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To: churchillbuff
Oh, did the earth move for you too? I'm sure it did for all other America-hating liberals, democrats and assorted socialist pukes as well. Obviously Murtha has gone soft and is full of democrat horse hocky.

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he's a crusty retired career Marine
Most of that career was as a nondeploying, nonactive reservist.

If Murtha really gave a damn about the grunts on the ground in Iraq he'd get them a decent rifle. Until then he can STFU.

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To: thoughtomator
I'm more concerned how a withdrawal will encourage attacks against us.
Too true! An immediate withdrawal would give the Islamists their greatest victory ever. It would invite 100 9/11's by validating their twisted strategy of terrorism.

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To: Ursus arctos horribilis
Murtha is a brain addled idiot or a traitor, calling for the defeat of our country by calling for unilateral withdrawal from Iraq.

I think he wants us to be defeated to make his earlier "unwinnable" false prediction come true.

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To: churchillbuff
You and Murtha belong at a different website.
Tell me how his arguments for an immediate withdrawal are valid and credible and not a politically timed grandstand while the pres is overseas.

So what if he is a Nam vet. BFD.

He is one of the assholes calling for a draft.

He is throwing a hissy fit because he cannot personally micromanage this conflict from his armchair in DC.

Screw him and the horse he rode in on, senator or not.

He does not speak for current veterans, and active duty folks.

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To: Ma3lst0rm
Murtha's tirade is a last gasp effort, the Republican response, Woodward's testimony and Delay's imminent aquittal/dismissal of charges has them desperate. Their whole sordid plot is about to explode in their faces.

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To: churchillbuff
The enemy finally got to Murtha. Oh, wait a minute, he is part of the enemy. Forget it.
The Dems just love dragging out "decorated Vietnam Veterans" to plead their unilateral surrender case. John Kerry is the Poster Boy of that tactic.

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To: churchillbuff
According to Brit Hume, this traitor has been anti-war since 2003. He is a lying dim, and wants to return his party to power at ANY cost... even the destruction of America!

MUCK FURTHA

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To: DarthVader
Murtha is from the Johnstown area here in PA. Not since Ken Tompkins (he stole the TV rights in the area in a scandle) have they had a worse representative.
He does NOT represent the people and has no chance of re-election. Maybe that is why he is going out in a blast???

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To: churchillbuff
I don't give a damn what Murtha says, the United States Marine Corps is not going to disgrace the memory of those who paid the ultimate price in Iraq and their families by pulling out before the job is finished. PERIOD!

And I called Murtha's office today and told them that exactly!
I also told Murtha's office that Murtha disgraced the Marine Corps today with his remarks.

Semper Fi,
Kelly

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[EstimatedProphet]

1. These people are so damned stupid

Every day I think they can't get stupider, and every day I am amazed by how stupid they still can get. Especially the one stupid that said Murtha can kiss his commoner redneck ass-is that their new meme? Are they claiming that Murtha is an elitist? Stupid.

[donco6]

4. And the inevitable "fat" comment.

Knew that would be coming soon - especially since Bush already compared him to Moore, and that was one of the biggest smears they could come up with against him.

[FreedomAngel82]

8. So what does that make Cheney?

:eyes:

[mzteris]

10. and ROVE! n/t

[donco6]

18. Fat AND ugly?

Just a suggestion.

[stanwyck]

38. Cheney also had at least 5 deferments

for the freeper who lashed out at another freep for not having the required background for an opinion. Hey, if you're talking deferments, you're talking Republican.
Do these people know anything?

[FreedomAngel82]

7. It is stupid

And there goes the "Lots of great things" talking point again. So is napalm a "great thing"? :eyes:

[donco6]

22. No - it was Lots and LOTS of great things.

Get it right, sheesh.

Next week it'll be Lots and LOTS and *LOTS* of great things, I have no doubt.

[mzteris]

2. Words fail me

Are people that f'ing stupid?

America is totally f'd if there are too many more like them out there. geez louise - what the H@LL did they DO with the brains they were born with? Send 'em out for cleaning and forget to pick them up?

I get completely depressed reading this stuff. What nightmare land are they living in?????????

[displacedtexan]

3. The Backside of The Bell Curve Has Spoken.

Truly heavy sigh.

[donco6]

6. That's good.

"backside of the bell curve." Have to remember that one.

[displacedtexan]

9. Every Friday on my blog, I give the Backside of the Bell Curve award...

The posters in this original post just may win tomorrow!

[FreedomAngel82]

5. "We've already won"?

Didn't this person get the memo? You don't win till you come home fool!

[SalmonChantedEvening]

11. Apparently 73 is only old when you AREN'T Ronald Reagan.

Hypocrites R They. :rofl:

[donco6]

14. I thought that very same thing.

Idiots.

[SalmonChantedEvening]

29. Raygun and Strom were "spry" LMAO n/t

[Faygo Kid]

12. Actually, the Freepers are in Total Denial.

In checking their site, I notice that it's the usual mix of anti-evolution and how much they hate the Clintons. They are not addressing this that much. Or anything else substantive, for that matter. They are pulling back into their tiny shells. Good riddance.

[MN ChimpH8R]

13. Gods, these people are dumber than dirt

Just when you think Fweeperland can't sink any lower, they exceed expectations. Would these zombies shoot themselves in the head if Chimpy told them to?

[donco6]

16. Shooting themselves in the head isn't an option.

They're stuffed too far up their ass.

[zbdent]

15. Love the "cut and run" reference to the "African-Americans"

(notice, they didn't use their favorite term - Niggers - faking evolution).

Freepturds would have been the 1865 Democrats then . . . you know, "conservatives" . . .

They would only have changed allegiance in the 1960s - after the acceptance of ALL races into America . . .

[donco6]

17. That's the part that really made me wretch.

Like Republicans of the 1850s and 60s were anything like the selfish, money-grubbing, immoral, fascist pigs of today.

[Hatalles]

35. Same here. The stupidity is amazing...

[ballaratocker]

43. Don't forget....

They are the Party of Lincoln!!! And always have been!!! :eyes:
It's like 130 years of history never happened!

[Marie26]

19. "The war in Iraq is right because it is right."

How can anyone possibly argue with that? It's perfectly self-contained, perfectly detached from reality. It's almost like a kind of faith. It's right cause it's right. Nothing else needs to be said, or thought.

[donco6]

21. That's a head-shaker fer sure.

I just can't figure out where that guy is coming from at all. I guess faith is right - there doesn't seem to be any other choice. We just have to be at war because we're at war. Duh.

[No Exit]

40. If he'd been truthful, he'd have said, "The war in Iraq is right b/c

*I* don't have to fight it. It's perfect--*I* can stay here at home and worship filthy rich people (while deluding myself that *I* can become one)."

[Bluebear]

20. "conservatives would be fools not to take this man seriously."

Actually that first post was pretty well thought-out. Unfotunately, Bush already blew it, with his Michael Moore comment.

[donco6]

24. Yes, but did you see them raking the OP?

They said he belonged . . . well . . . *here*.

[Bluebear]

25. Of course. He can make a complete sentence. nt

[madrchsod]

23. hey i like that "beer slugging democrats"....

"before the cultural left took over the party" dam,every once in awhile a freeper has a moment of clarity...

[donco6]

26. I'm a beer slugging Dem.

I still don't think I'd fit in over at FR. Too bad.

[Avalux]

27. I have selected a favorite!!!!

It was a difficult choice, but here it is:

To: Ma3lst0rm
Murtha's tirade is a last gasp effort, the Republican response, Woodward's testimony and Delay's imminent aquittal/dismissal of charges has them desperate. Their whole sordid plot is about to explode in their faces.

:rofl: :silly: :crazy: :rofl:

[donco6]

28. And how frickin' long have they been saying that?

I really guffawed at that one, too. They've been making that claim ever since Shrubby first started going down the poll toilet. I'm not holding my breath.

Unless they find out about Project X, that is!

[Avalux]

30. SSSHHHHH!

We MUST not talk about Project X - remember? It would ruin everything if they find out! :D

[onehandle]

31. Duh...Me lik Boosh. He me kind ov peeple.

Irak is demb...dema...demmo... uh...freedomable pairadice.

And Kary luks french.

Me gota go sleep wiht my mom/sisster now. Ned mor freedum lufing babees owt their.

[donco6]

32. I should have posted this at the top.

It pretty much sums it up! :)

[Norwood]

33. Wow a post from a freeper that doesnt have his head completely up his ass

Was fun seeing them posting all the same repuke talking points as they desperately try to retain their delusional sense of reality.

[greblc]

34. Murtha is saying what vetrans like Collin Powell are thinking.

To stay the course is like watching a tub drain. Something must change or our troops are left to the slaughter. Bush Co. dosen't seem to be able to manage this war. It's up to those who know war first hand to step up and lead our country out of this mess.

Murtha is doing his job. It would be nice if the countless other congressmen who feel the same would have the courage to speak out as well.

[donco6]

36. I believe he is the first of many.

I think they just needed to have a leader step in first.

[cosmicone]

37. I still say it is about racism

The freepers are either openly or closet racists and Bush is their man to restore the power of the white man over everyone else by force. That is why they keep deluding themselves.

[Marie26]

41. I agree

That's in the background too. It's like they keep flailing around for a reason to support Bush because they can't articulate the real reason.

[No Exit]

39. REPUBLICANS: THE ANTI-VETERAN PARTY

Republicans are instinctively the anti-veteran party, so as soon as they saw a war veteran, they just couldn't resist starting with the insults.

Did you see that "before the democratic party got taken over by cultural liberals" bit?

How about, BEFORE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY GOT TAKEN OVER BY ANTI-AMERICAN PEOPLE WITH IQ'S UNDER 50?

(Naw. I don't think the repuke party was much even back then, when I was raised in a household which supported it.)

Their first poster was right. I felt the ground shift, too. But it's just an aftershock--the ground had already begun moving. The republican party has changed. Greed is its only unifying force. If it ever had any respectability, that respectability is gone, now that they are made up of the STUPIDEST PEOPLE AMERICA HAS EVER KNOWN.

[shenmue]

42. Every time I read freeper posts...

I throw up.

But then I feel better.

:grr:

:nuke:

:scared: