*: "The whole objective is to achieve victory against the terrorists."

[sabra]

http://www.beloitdailynews.com/articles/2005/11/28/ap/headlines/d8e6a1m00.txt

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"Secondly, we want to win," Bush said. "The whole objective is to achieve victory against the terrorists."

"I'm interested in winning. I want to defeat the terrorists. And I want our troops to come home," the president said. "But I don't want them to come how without having achieved victory. We've got a strategy for victory."

"People don't want me making decisions based on politics," the president said. "They want me making decisions based on the recommendations of our generals on the ground. And that's exactly who I'll be listening to."

"Now I know there's a lot of voices in Washington," Bush added. "We've heard some people say pull them out right now. That's a huge mistake. It'd be a terrible mistake. It sends a bad message to our troops. And it sends a bad message to our enemy. And it sends a bad message to the Iraqis."

:wtf:

[ananda]

Mission not accomplished?

Is everything going in reverse?

Yegads.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. That "strategy for victory" --

Did El Arbustito happen to stumble across Dick Nixon's notes outlining his secret plan to end the Vietnam War?

[spindrifter]

4. No, but he did

find a couple of old cans of alphabet soup that Pat and Dick had put away in case they had to "rough it"-- without the can openers. In only had the letters r e t a r.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

2. Now I'm sure every reporter will ask * to "define victory" at his next

press conference. :eyes:

[indepat]

5. Most certainly every reporter will ask this question although surely all

know we are surely manufacturing terrorists much faster than we can kill them: victory is thus assured by the 11th of never! :eyes:

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

9. Hardly anyone ever asks anyone in shrubco "what is victory", and when

will we know it is achieved?

There is no nation state or emperor in "terrorism" to hand over a sword on the deck of the U.S.S. Missouri.

If "Zarqawi" and "Bin Laden" are killed, and their bodies paraded in the street, is it then over? What if, the day after the parade, a bomb, made in someone's basement or garage, blows up a federal building in Oklahoma City? Is the war still on, as long as someone can wire a cell phone to some C4? :shrug:

[Karenina]

13. Pssst...

(The American *MIC ARE the terrorists.)

[indepat]

15. Terrorist IMHO are those who commit terrorist acts whether wearing white

hats or black.

[Loonman]

3. "We've heard some people say pull them out right now."

No, Murtha said withdraw to the periphery in 6 months, you fucking liar.

[indepat]

6. Bet generals on the ground who give the wrong recommendations get sacked:

the generals are going to give the recommendations the higher-ups want to hear or it's bye-bye 30+-year careers IMHO.

[SpiralHawk]

7. "We have always been at war with terra. Goldstein is on the run." - Bush

and rememeber, Big BushCo loves you.

[Metta]

8. More t-shirts and bumper stickers.

Feh.

[RufusEarl]

10. victory against the terrorists?

Everything I've read indicates we're fighting insurgents not terrorists in Iraq, the latest percentage is 95% Iraq and 5% outsider. This statement by P. Bush is very misleading IMHO, as are most things his utters.

[sabra]

11. Welcome to DU!

[RufusEarl]

14. Thanks

It's nice to have found a home!

[Terran]

12. What a f*cking liar!

People don't want me making decisions based on politics," the president said. "They want me making decisions based on the recommendations of our generals on the ground. And that's exactly who I'll be listening to.

That exactly what he's NOT doing. He's FAMOUS for not doing that!

[Disturbed]

16. A simple message from a simpleton to the simpleminded.

The following is much to complicated to convey to the Amerikan masses.

Iraqi Insurgency

In January 2005 Iraqi intelligence service director General Mohamed Abdullah Shahwani said that Iraq's insurgency consited of at least 40,000 hardcore fighters, out of a total of more than 200,000 part-time fighters and volunteers who provide intelligence, logistics and shelter. Shahwani said the resistance enjoyed wide backing in the Sunni provinces of Baghdad, Babel, Salahuddin, Diyala, Nineveh and Tamim. Shahwani said the Baath, with a core fighting strength of more than 20,000, had split into three factions.

The main one, still owing allegiance to jailed dictator Saddam Hussein, is operating out of Syria. It is led by Saddam's half-brother Sabawi Ibrahim al-Hassan and former aide Mohamed Yunis al-Ahmed, who provide funding to their connections in Mosul, Samarra, Baquba, Kirkuk and Tikrit. Izzat Ibrahim al-Duri is still in Iraq. Two other factions have broken from Saddam, but have yet to mount any attacks. Islamist factions range from Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's al-Qaeda affiliate to Ansar al-Sunna and Ansar al-Islam.

A picture of the composition of the insurgency, though in constant flux, has come into somewhat greater focus. London-based International Institute for Strategic Studies estimates roughly 1,000 foreign Islamic jihadists have joined the insurgency. And there is no doubt many of these have had a dramatic effect on perceptions of the insurgency through high-profile video-taped kidnappings and beheadings. However, American officials believe that the greatest obstacles to stability are the native insurgents that predominate in the Sunni triangle. Significantly, many secular Sunni leaders were being surpassed in influence by Sunni militants. This development mirrors the rise of militant Shia cleric and militia leader Moqtada al-Sadr vis-à-vis the more moderate Shia cleric Grand Ayatollah al-Sistani.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iraq_insurge...

[Trish1168]

17. If pulling out sends a bad message, then why are they planning for it?

I mean...aren't they talking about getting out before the midterm elections? Whey when democrats talk about it, they're cowards, but when Bush people talk about it, they're not?

Besides....he never defines what victory is. He talks in nonsensical vague sound bites with not substance.

Like most Americans are not on to him.....PPPaaaahhhhlease.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

18. Too late. You lost. Now it's just killing to cover politician's asses.

"Peace With Honor" redux.