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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 02:24 PM
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JFK and Soviet Union secretly negotiated to end Vietnam War
January 1963 - Secret negotiations between JFK and Soviet Union to end Vietnam

Papers reveal JFK efforts on Vietnam

By Bryan Bender
Boston Globe Staff
June 6, 2005

WASHINGTON -- Newly uncovered documents from both American and Polish archives show that President John F. Kennedy and the Soviet Union secretly sought ways to find a diplomatic settlement to the war in Vietnam, starting three years before the United States sent combat troops.

Kennedy, relying on his ambassador to India, John Kenneth Galbraith, planned to reach out to the North Vietnamese in April 1962 through a senior Indian diplomat, according to a secret State Department cable that was never dispatched.

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A draft cable dated the same day instructed Galbraith to use Desai as a channel discreetly communicating to responsible leaders North Vietnamese regime . . . the president's position as he indicated it."

But a week later, Harriman met with Kennedy and apparently persuaded him to delay, according to other documents, and the overture was never revived.

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At the urging of Nehru, Galbraith met with the Polish foreign minister, Adam Rapacki, in New Delhi on Jan. 21, 1963, where Galbraith expressed Kennedy's likely interest in a Polish proposal for a cease-fire and new elections in South Vietnam. There is no evidence of further discussions between the two diplomats. Rapacki returned to Warsaw a day later. Galbraith wrote in his memoirs that it was not followed up.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2005/06/06/p...


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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 02:32 PM
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1. Also secretly negotiated a coup of Cuba
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 02:42 PM
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2. Excellent book - but written with a CIA blinder on - as the review below
notes:

Did the Dulles brothers have a "patriotic motive" to eliminate Castro which "superceded" their less-than-pure but immeasurably stronger motive to eliminate Kennedy?

If the Castro-Coup was the motive for the JFK-Assassination cover-up (by RFK, according to the authors, no less!), then was it simply coincidence and convenience that LBJ's Bell Helicopter/KBR (Halliburton) buddies stood to gain so much by LBJ's reversal of (JFK's) National Security Memo #263, which would have de-escalated U.S. involvement in Vietnam?

Why is National Security Memo #263 discarded in this book in favor of an elaborately-constructed Meta-Narrative that favors the "Castro-Coup-Coverup" explanation of Hartmann & Waldron?

More to the point, couldn't a "Castro-Coup-Coverup" explanation also be true, as the authors posit, yet also exist side-by-side with a parallel CIA/LBJ coup-motive?

Why do Hartmann and Waldron discount the motives of the Military-Industrial-Congressional complex? Why do Hartmann and Waldron discount the motives of LBJ, his KBR-funders, his Texas Oil buddies, and the Dulles brothers?

Consider the fact that Hartmann, for all of his wonderful historical information-dissemination, glosses over (actually, never talks about) such chapters of U.S. history as The Church Committee, Cointelpro or Operation Mockingbird (see Carl Bernstein's October 1977 Rolling Stone article, "The CIA In The Press").

Call Thom Hartmann on his radio show and ask him about Operation Mockingbird, whether it's significant at all to the integrity of U.S. democracy since 1963, and why we should trust our U.S. media in light of the CIA's involvement in disinformation campaigns in the press (let alone paid-propogandists such as Armstrong Williams or ideologues like Judith Miller).

If Thom says that Operation Mockingbird has no bearing on American democracy, or worse yet, denies that we should ask such questions of/cast such skepticism upon our American media sources, then perhaps Waldron & Hartmann's book should be viewed as an elaborately constructed narrative to "feed the Mafia-Did-It explanation" and "misdirect away from the CIA-Wanted-It explanation."

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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 03:35 PM
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4. Thank you for this information. I was disappointed to see Hartmann's
name as co-author on this book.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 03:32 PM
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3. No, actually that would be the CIA.
Edited on Sat Dec-03-05 03:36 PM by shance
This book seems to want to erase that glaring truth.

Why?
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 05:42 PM
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5. Is this perhaps the more accurate reason we hated communism so bad?
Always having an enemy is such a convenient tool for the war profiteers and predators.
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