The Repubs won't need Karl Rove Next Time, They have us

[Parrothead Terp]

seriouslly some people on here are a joke. if a politician does not agree with them 100% of the time, they are garbage. Well guess what, when the repubs continue to kick our collective asses even though the country is going to hell.....don't wonder why, we will know why!

whether it's hillary, warner, obama, edwards, kerry, etc who represents us in 2008.......we are going to trash our own. yes they may not represent our view of the war on here, but guess what unlike the thug in office now.....once we get back in power we have the ear of the elected unlike now.

[MrBenchley]

1. We've got people actually pimping for Republicans

in some threads.

[AntiCoup2K4]

3. Pot. Kettle. DLC Intern.

Some people pimp for Republicans in EVERY thread.

[MrBenchley]

6. I know the teens are throwing pissy little snits about the DLC

but then they very rarely have any idea what the fuck they're babbling about.

[AntiCoup2K4]

9. You seem to be obsessed with teens lately...

...perhaps you should change your screen name to "Father Benchley"?

[MrBenchley]

14. I have been encountering a lot of childishness

among badly informed, silly people who seem to want to make grand pronouncements about things they clearly don't understand....

[AntiCoup2K4]

16. So you have been talking to DLC interns then?

I agree, they are horribly misinformed.

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[AntiCoup2K4]

23. At least I know the difference between the Democratic Party....

...and traitorous shitballs like Marshall Wittman, whose resume includes every right wing lobby on the planet, and Will Marshall who is a PNAC warmonger. If that's whom you want to cast your lots with, then knock yourself out. But don't pretend to represent MY party in the process.

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[AntiCoup2K4]

31. PPI is your defense for that fucking coward Will Marshall?

PPI is nothing but a whitewash of PNAC. A "kinder, gentler" fascist imperialism, if you will.

[MrBenchley]

37. And your credentials are?

Nonexistent.

[Jose Diablo]

44. In 1985, Marshall helped to found the Democratic Leadership Council

Well, the Reagan Republicans were nothing if not thorough. They even managed to make in-roads into the opposite party.

Don't be too disappointed when Hillary goes to Scotland to live with her retired husband. Before the dust settles from the economic policies started by NAFTA, most of the DLC will be in the party they belong, the republican party.

Moderates my butt.

[MrBenchley]

48. Hahahahhahahahaha......

And if you turn around three times, magic fairies will actually bring you guys a candidate you love!

So Marshall helped get Bill Clinton and lots of other Democrats elected and has a distinguished record of public service. Tell us, what are your credentials?

[Jose Diablo]

49. Keep barking like a hyena

The last laugh is the best. We will see who has it.

There will be many of those so called corporate dems caught-up in the upcoming bribery scandals. I wonder how many will be foaming at the mouth capitalists, like the corporatist/globalist DLCers.

These folks continue to tell us how really wonderful it is to have free trade. Tell that to the unions. You may not realize this, but the unions are the backbone of this party not the corporations. Tell the unions the benefits of NAFTA. I'm quite sure there has been enough time for the unions to have a very good feel for what NAFTA is really all about.

I wonder just how many of the Joe Q. Public are capitalists. Hilary's health care initiatives were little more than another scam on the American people with the primary beneficiaries being the insurance industry and corporations as the cost of health care was to be shifted from corporate books to socializing the costs. Thats who Hilary really represents, the corporations. More and more people are beginning to see her, and Bill too, this way.

Give it a little time to cook. I think the corporate influence within this party is about to be very seriously questioned on it's value to the people.

So, go ahead, keep laughing.

[LoZoccolo]

50. You avoid the issue of your effectiveness. n/t

[MrBenchley]

51. What else is there to do with this silliness but laugh?

I plan to keep laughing at such silly uninformed gibberish.

[GreenPartyVoter]

41. *lmbo*

[MADem]

10. And all ya can do is consider the source!

I think I am with many here who are pragmatic. I am going to watch the primaries, make my choice based on what they say they will do for the COUNTRY, not worry about what nitpicking little thing they may have done to play to their local constituency in the past, and vote from there.

At the end of the day, if my primary choice is not the nominee, then I will march my old ass to the voting booth on election day and VOTE FOR THE GODDAMNED DEMOCRAT. I do not care if it is Jesus H. Christ and his running mate, On A Bicycle, or Bozo the Dammed Clown.

The DEM gets my vote, because I am one MAD Dem!!!!

[MrBenchley]

15. You and me both

I've had it up to here with childish "purists" who want to purge this or that Democrat they disagree with...especially because so many of the purists turn out not to be Democrats themselves.

[catmother]

20. i totally agree with you. i don't think there will be any one

candidate that will address the issues of every democrat. we need to take back the country in 06 and 08 and then we can go from there.

[emulatorloo]

46. Might sane of you, MADem!

:toast: :dem: :toast:

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[BlueIris]

30. Ah, my new favorite poster.

Criticizing our own is one (yucky) thing. Promoting the election of Republicans (forbidden by the rules, if I read them correctly) is another.

[MrBenchley]

38. Actually what's being promoted is the election of a former Republican

who is going to pose technically as an independent...

[Warren Stupidity]

2. So you just totally reject the analysis

that both parties are corrupted by corporate greed heads, that we basically get tweedle-dee/tweedle-dum'd every four years? Nothing there at all? Not even a shred of truth?

[Parrothead Terp]

4. no

i don't reject that at all, but we can't even start to change things until we have people in power who agree with us on MOST issues.

[Warren Stupidity]

11. In my opinion the War is a defining issue.

There are others as well - but for now I agree with The Nation - if you can't bring yourself to a position close to unconditional withdrawal then I cannot bring myself to support you.

[dennisnyc]

and the follow on article in the new issue about the possibility

of dem victory:

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20051219/hayes

debatable but interesting

[catmother]

22. i agree. n/t

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[Warren Stupidity]

12. Hey your forgot: 'why do you hate america'. nt.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

40. Not to mention "Love it or Leave It". As in, leave DU to the DLC.

[MoonRiver]

5. They don't even need US. They have Diebold.

BOTTOM LINE.

[Zinfandel]

26. Your fucking correct, people keep ignoring the FACT, the obvious...

that the republicans stole seats in the last three elections, while even more republican owned machines are pouring in to CA, NC and all over the country...week after week.

People just keep ignoring it as if it doesn't mean anything or the problem will just go away, as if their candidate will really have a fair shot!

And NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING has been done to stop the in flow of these machines, nor even to check them out...they just keep pouring in...the republican know what they are doing!!!!

[MoonRiver]

28. I don't know. It seems like those of us who understand this issue

are screaming in an empty echo chamber. All of this crap about whether to support a DLC or other candidate is really an exercise in futility unless we straighten out this voting problem. Unfortunately, I'm not optimistic.

[Zinfandel]

32. If all these "concerned" people here, don't see it exposed day after day

on television media, they don't believe it's a very large problem..stupid, stupid fools, as they'll be scratching their heads again in 2006 & 2008 and pointing fingers, why they lost and then screaming, that maybe it is those republican owned machines...

Now the media is NOT going to make an issue of it, it not in their best interest...They haven't mentioned it in 2000, 2002, 2004 and they won't for 2006 and 2008 and beyond.

As long as television media and the republicans keep feeding these ignorant people stories (as they have in the past so often) that their Dem candidate has a chance...they'll keep arguing and donating and believing they are going to win...

As the republicans will continue to steal the elections they need.

Cuz they didn't see it on Hardball os electronic voting machines must not be too big a problem!!!!

[MoonRiver]

34. I sadly concur with everything you wrote.

I do not see a good outcome for who knows how long. :(

[rockymountaindem]

8. K&R

Welcome to DU!

[bahrbearian]

29. O.K remind me of my ignorance,, what does K&R mean ?

[bahrbearian]

33. Never Mind I figured it out , Kick and Recommended.

[Zinfandel]

21. And the fact the electronic voting machines pouring in around the country

Machines owned by the republicans.

[dennisnyc]

24. wrong! Once Kerry was the candidate, i worked for him. even though

i KNOW the vegan congressman from ohio would be a better president.

Stategy is not foreign to progressive values!

[w13rd0]

27. What a stupid fucking thread...

...I want the five minutes of my life back I wasted skimming through this stupid flamefest. I think the DLC sucks, but by the same measure, I'm not willing to cast aside anyone who doesn't agree with me 100%. Someone will be the Democratic nominee in 2008, and I'll participate in the process as much as I can to make it someone I can stomach. If it's someone I can't, I'll vote for them anyway and then try to hold them accountable.

Well, there are a couple of exceptions, but I think Joementum is a longshot for the nomination.

[wiley]

35. Welcome to DU!

Nasty at times, aren't they? Lots of Freepers and Trolls and Psychos (all Repukes by the way!)

Romeo has already been banished!

[greiner3]

36. Me?

I vote Democratic because I agree with most of their issues. If the Green party, for instance had the candidate and also had the chance to win an election I would vote Green. I am anti-Republican more than pro-Democrat at this point in my life.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

39. Gee. Another "toe the ;party line" post. How droll.

Funny, how you only named pro-war Dems as the ones likely to get trashed here.

Not that folks like Kuncinich, McKinney, McDermott, ever get trashed by the RW/DLC of DU.

[MADem]

47. I think you are being overly sensitive, frankly

If any of the above threw their hat in the ring, and won the damn primary battle, I would cast my vote for them. And I suspect I am not the only one who feels that way. I want a Democrat in the White House, and I am not picky as to the flavor of Democrat at this point in the game. Left leaning, right leaning, or straight down the middle, I want a winner. My vote on election day goes to the Democrat who wins the primary battle--I won't take my ball and go home, or toss my vote away on some asshole who might get three percent of the vote, simply because they are not (fill in the blank) enough to suit me.

And I think it is about time. Whatever it takes to win....

[PurgedVoter]

42. The Repubs won't need Karl Rove Next Time, They have this thread.

Yep, this is clearly a inspirational unite us all thread. Oh wait a minute, this is a bash everyone that disagrees thread.

I think I'm united as a Democrat with Tierra_y_Libertad and AntiCoup2K4. I suspect this thread.

Odd how it sounds a lot like a love it or leave it freeper line. If you look at the style, message and tactic of this thread, it looks even more like a freeper import.

I for one fear the day the Democratic Party becomes lockstep like the Republicans have. If we don't struggle to bring honor and truth to our own party then there will be no difference in the long run.

Yes let's vote Democrat at the elections, but when a person misrepresents themselves or shows poor judgment, that person does not represent us well, even if he is on our 'team,' or has power, connections, position and money. Lets critically examine both sides. Remember that we the Democrats are the party of religious freedom, personal rights, progress, democracy, science and compassion. These things can only be protected by keeping eyes open and speaking truth.

If you want to unite us Parrothead Terp, MrBenchley, then inspire us. We are not the party of the goon squad. We are the party of thought and compassion.

[seabeyond]

43. i couldnt agree with you more. it makes no sense,

but we do it intensely on this board, all the time. every thread.

[stray cat]

45. We do have a little bit of trouble with unity and independent thought

We often don't seem to be capable of doing both at the same time. While the republicans get the unity but lose their ability to thin independently. There are a very few dem candidates I would not support, however, once they get the nomination.