Krugman is freaking me out-CSPAN2 now.

[JanMichael]

Might be better off in New Zealand?!

OMG...

Basically he said it takes massive hemoraging for a better social system to prevail and that it might be better to be in NZ for that period of unrest.

[wryter2000]

1. I hate to burst your bubble

But New Zealand won't allow you to immigrate there. They accept no one unless you marry a Kiwi. Kiwis are wonderful and gracious to visitors, but government policy is to not allow new residents in. I can't blame them. With the low populaton, New Zealand is one of the most beautiful places on Earth.

[abelenkpe]

18. Hmmmm....

Maybe I shoulda taken that job at WETA after all? I thought New Zealand was a very conservative country though. Is that not so? Are you sure Krugman wasn't just using New Zealand as an example of an out of the way place to spend time during a possible economic upheaval in the west?

[Devils Advocate NZ]

55. Conservative? Not even close!

New Zealand is a liberal haven in comparison to the US. Hell, we have the worlds first (and as far as I know, the only) transgendered MP, and she is also Maori (the indigenous people of NZ). We have a female Prime Minister, and at one stage we had a female PM and female Leader of the Opposition.

Prostitution was recently legalised, our justice system (while not perfect) is far better than most, and our Police do not routinely carry firearms.

We have public health care and a true welfare safety net, with unlimited unemployment benefits, if you are unemployed you can get a benefit in order to survive, and there is no time limit. In fact if you have a mortgage and lose your job, the welfare system helps you to pay your mortgage rather than forcing you to sell your home.

Maori grievances are being dealt with (slowly but surely) and Maori have received billions in compensation for past wrongs. You may have heard of the NZ TV presenter who recently called Kofi Annan a "cheeky darkie". The outcry against him was so fierce he was forced to apologise on air at the first opportunity, and came near to tears while doing so, and that STILL hasn't let him off the hook. He is still on air, but I don't think that will last too much longer.

Somebody like Limbaugh would never lsat long on NZ airwaves, and somebody like Bush would be a laughing stock during elections.

Hell, compared to the US, even our right wingers would seem like liberals.

[RapidCreek]

66. DRAT!!

You gave away my secret hiding place! Wish you would have told everyone New Zealand sucks to high heaven and you can't wait to leave. In another post...people were talking aobut moving to Canada...I said not me...then gave a similar description to your own of your country...but wouldn't tell what place it was. The only guess anyone made was Aussy....yuck! I told the respondant...close but no cupie doll.

Conservative? What a hoot. You can't get much more libersl. Do you guys still forbid Nuclear Powered boats to enter your ports?

RC

[Devils Advocate NZ]

70. The right wingers are moaning about it, but yes, we are still nuke free.

The current leader of the National party just announced that he wants to repeal the ban on nukes so that US warships can once again visit our shores.

He is barking up the wrong tree on this one because every National government since the ban was put in place tried to do it, and the outcry was so loud that they always backed down.

Basically very few people want to see the ban lifted, and far more would actively campaign to have it put back in place should any government try it.

[Classical_Liberal]

69. I can't bring my two kitties, though because the wild life isn't

adapted to them.

[Devils Advocate NZ]

71. I am not so sure of that...

We do have cats and dogs here and you may indeed be allowed to bring them, after a suitable quarantine, but you are right that our native fauna is not adapted to ground predators.

Stotes, cats, dogs, rats and other sundry "imports" have decimated many of our native animals, including the Kiwi, but there are sanctuaries where such animals are controlled in the hopes that our native animals can survive.

I honestly can't see cats and dogs being banned, and as such things don't look too good for the natives except in sanctuaries located on islands that have been cleared of such predators.

[Melsky]

19. They do let people immigrate sometimes

if you have the job skills they need, or you have money to start a business there, or if you have family already there. But they are picky!

[punpirate]

24. Not true....

I've investigated it thoroughly. They do, indeed, have a points system for a resident visa, but if one is in a critically needed area (IT specialist, nursing or public school teacher, among a couple of others), and along with being reasonably young, the points system will enable immigration to there.

The points level is adjusted (quarterly, I think) and now hovers around 29 points, about half of which are obtained from age alone, and education and skill area comprising the rest.

It is possible to emigrate to NZ without marrying someone to stay there, but the rules are strict and subject to change.

Cheers.

[gristy]

26. Do you have a link to help us future NZ'ers??

:)

[foreigncorrespondent]

47. See my post number 25...

...I included a link to the NZ immigration Web site.

[pandatimothy]

40. So I CAN get a house in the Shire? n/t

[MUAD_DIB]

73. In a hole in the ground lived a DUer.

Not a wet nasty hole with the ends of worms and freepers lurking about nor yet a dry bare hole with nothing to sit down upon due to tax cuts and corporate embezzlement. It was a DU hole and that mean comfort.

[foreigncorrespondent]

25. I think you need to...

...go and take a look at the New Zealand Immigration Web site.

As an Aussie I can get into NZ with no worries what so ever, so I have never been to their immigration site and haven't read through it. But what your saying doesn't make any sense to me.

New Zealand is pretty much like any other country to get into immigration wise.

Anyway, here is their immigration site: http://www.immigration.govt.nz/

As for NZ being very conservative, they might be, but they have an excellent record for gay rights.

I have family over in NZ, bascially they went over fell in love with the country and decided not to return to Australia.

[kanrok]

28. Anybody know any cute Kiwis?

[RapidCreek]

68. My ex-girlfriend is a Kiwi.

And yes...I know many many beautiful kiwi ladies....most don't assume their beauty is liscence to behave like a spoiled little shit, either.

Can't speak on cute men...I don't swing that way.

RC

[Devils Advocate NZ]

52. Bullshit!

This is not true at all. We DO allow immigrants, although there are requirments which you can find out about here:

http://www.immigration.govt.nz/Migrate/

The fact is, New Zealand allows many thousands of new residents each year, and NOT just through marriage.

[AP]

2. I saw a roomful of people listen to his pronunciations on the economy

with the expressions of people seeing their doom foretold.

It was really amazing.

The gravity of the situation was completely obvious to everyone.

[JanMichael]

4. He is a seriously scary speaker.

Basically it was like listening to an intelligent DU thread on economic/political doom.

[MoonRiver]

7. Yes, "completely obvious"

to all who dare to listen. How many are out there, I wonder.

[MoonRiver]

3. Maybe he's a realist. After all Americans are incredibly stupid

when it comes to self-preservation. That's at least partially due to rightwing media brainwashing. But it also may be due to other factors. This country is so large it is incredibly fractured between the south and north, east and west. We probably should have been four, or at most two, countries to function effectively. Just a thought. :shrug:

[JanMichael]

5. Which Dem? He wouldn't commit but said:

That person MUST be combative, period, not someone who is Bush Lite.

[dkf]

6. He's talking about Dean

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1045302,00.html

"One of the Democratic candidates - who I'm not endorsing, because I'm not allowed to endorse - has as his slogan, 'I want my country back'," Krugman says, referring to the campaigning motto of Howard Dean. "I think that's about right."

[leesa]

10. Good. Dean, Kucinich, both are fighters.

They would make a great team together. Kick ass time!

[maha]

50. Yes, except

Krugman doesn't agree with Dean's plan for Bush's tax cuts -- rolling them ALL back. Krugman says that in the short term we need to leave the tax cuts alone for everyone who makes under 200,000 a year.

[Terwilliger]

8. hemhorraging of...?

people? jobs? blood? what?

[JanMichael]

11. All of the above? He mentioned the Civil War....

...then the Great Depression, then "?".

[peacetalksforall]

12. Hemhorraging? Of what? Of everything we take for granted...

votes, rights, earning power, roof over our heads, water, heat, freedom to move, freedom to speak out, freedom to protest, freedom of press, freedom from John Edgar Hoovers and the agendas of the cabal.

The corporations bank outside the U.S. The corporations move jobs to India and Ireland. There are no income taxes for roads or schools when workers get paid 20% of what we formerly made and pay no U.S. income taxes. The corporations pay no taxes. The corporations earn unheard of profits from war products.

Someone wants to take us down and it 'ain't' just Al Queda.

[TacticalPeek]

17. Hemhorraging of the health of our wealth.

The Mother of All Disintermediation.

:-(

[Resistance Is Futile]

38. Remember the fall of communism?

The fiscal collapse that will occur in the next five to ten years will bring about unrest and disruption on the scale of what happened to Argentina. While this will bring about the arrival of a new social order (one without any government services....) it will not be a better social order. In broad terms, there will be mass unemployment and mass civil unrest as the population adapts to the new environment where social services do not exist and living indoors will require more income than a two-person family can earn.

Do not bank on the immediate crisis causing enough damage to the the Republican fascist movement that it collapses and gives way to an improved social order. The public is far too brainwashed into blaming 'liberals' for everything that the immediate crisis would enable the fascist movement to further consolidate its hold on power.

As for when (if) things get better, the creation of a better social order will require an upheaval on the scale of the demise of the Soviet Union. This will not likely occur for years--if not decades--after the fiscal collapse. Historically, authoritarian regimes have been able to hold onto power for many decades regardless of public opposition. There's no reason to assume that the Republican States of America would be any less well-lived.

[MetaTrope]

9. Wow!

I know somebody whom I suspect of PNAC connections (evangelical, worked in Chile mid-'70s, listens to German beer hall songs), who actually moved to New Zealand while the 2000 "recount" was going on. Sounds like a plan...

[nostamj]

13. it was stunning and yet....

he exudes such warmth and humor. this is the most extended I've heard/seen him and I was very impressed. (and distressed, of course)

i think he made it clear that BushCo will not go down without a fight. a BIG NASTY fight.

we focus too much on the disengaged puppets like W while utterly demonic forces like Delay are getting away with monsterous shit.

i also, sadly, got the impression that he's not optimistic about defeating the 1% who continue the transfer of wealth.

grim.

after remarks by Senator Leahy...

the wounded are brought in after midnight,
away from the eyes of the media.
the cause is just.
just--
don't look--
away from the eyes of the media.
the wounded are brought in after midnight,
away from the eyes of the media.

[spooky3]

15. He's frightening because he's so clear and reasonable.

He can't be dismissed when he explains what is so wrong and why. I wish people would listen to him because there are solutions.

[Flying_Pig]

27. No, they will not "go down" without a "big, nasty fight". Now, it

would be smart of us, to think about what that really means, and take steps to protect ourselves. We also need to give some thought to who exactly, we are fighting. Who are the Chimp's allies? Let's see, we have:

1. The media

2. The Republican Party

3. The military

4. Every right-wing whacko in the country, and the groups that represent them, ...like the NRA.

5. The bankers, stockbrokers, and other financial institutions

6. The mega corporations

7. Certain allies, like Britain and Israel, who would, and do, back Bush to the hilt. Israel also uses their friends in the American media and Congress to push things "Bush", and would go "full-court press", in the event things got "nasty".

8. Conservative Democrats allied with Bush, PNAC, Israel, and corporations.

9. Most police departments, and state, county, and local governments, with the exception of those in liberal areas like Ann Arbor, MI, or say, Santa Cruz, CA.

10. The FBI, CIA, and a host of other government agencies.

OK, there's a short list of those who would be expected to line up with Bush in the event of "big, nasty, fight". Now, try to come up with a list of people of and organizations we liberals and patriotic lovers of democracy could count on, in the event things got "nasty". Help me make a list.

Off the top of my head, it doesn't look good for us, regardless.

[JanMichael]

30. Honestly? America is poised to be a Police State.

From the Feds on down to local government and private security forces.

Independant thought is not cherished and a simple "You broke the Law, now I must arrest you" mindset permeates to the core.

Sure there will be defections but those are impossible to predict now.

Allies? In the Power Structure? Few.

[nbsmom]

32. I'm not understanding #9

Why are you singling out people who choose to work in the public sector? Do you have some other folks in mind when it comes to fighting fires and catching people who break the law?

I happen to know some lifelong public safety employees who are plenty p'od @ the resident, but I guess since they don't happen to work in Ann Arbor or Santa Cruz, they're automatically Bush's allies.

It's really not smart to prejudge people....especially because you ended your post with a list of people and organizations who are ' liberals and patriotic lovers of democracy." If you can't find those folks among the people who are putting their lives on the line every time they go to work, this country is in big trouble.

[Flying_Pig]

35. You're right, I painted with a pretty broad brush. Indeed, there are

many in the "public sector", push come to shove, would not side with the Bush regime. With respect to police departments and such though, it has been my experience that most are pretty conservative, and Republican, and if "bad" things came down, they would side with the regime, and enforce the laws, whether they were right or not (ie: the Partiot Act).

Anyway, it would be my hope, that if things got really bad, that the public sector would join with the people, in an effort to resist a fascist takeover of this nation.

[janekat]

53. Yikes! Well we would have every country BUT Israel. The people

of Great Britain are against Bush - and Blair will be ousted by that time. Even now I wonder if he would even want anything to do with Bush anymore. Bush totally ruined Blair's political career.

[soup]

54. one other very powerful and persuasive force

for * are 'religious leaders' - Falwell, Robertson, Dobson, etc.

(as if your post wasn't enough to scare the bejeezus out of me)

edited for spelling

[alfredo]

60. No, I don't see as many real Bush allies.

In the event that Bush does do something that sparks civil unrest here.

The media will turn on him if they see he is going to fall.

The military will make a decision between Bush or the American people, they will join us. There would be some unfortunate incidents.

Don't count on all of the right wing to join the fight. I think they would want try to seize territory and set up their own nation.

the bankers and their ilk will leave the country at the first signs of trouble.

The mega corporations can go fuck themselves.

Britain would face a revolt from its people if their government sided with bush against the American people.

Police, some will join us, some won't, they will do their duties as always. The ones who resort to brutality, are not one of us. the ones who stay professional by protecting and serving the community is one of us.

The FBI and CIA, Have no real love for the Bush junta, but some would side with him.

I hope there is not any trouble. I hope Bush allows our democratic system to work.

[gristy]

14. I've been having those feelings for some time now

and had been doing a pretty good job of suppressing them. This thread brings back that big sinking feeling. Here's an email I sent to Krugman a month ago:

Prof. Krugman,

In your excellent interview today with Terry Gross, you said that with the deficits we are running now, at least one of three things HAVE to happen:

1) Taxes are raised (a lot)
2) Spending is cut (a lot)
3) The government's access to the bond markets dries up and it is forced to pay "usurious" (sp?) interest rates. The U.S. then finds itself in an "Argentina-like" meltdown.

I don't think you explained #3 very well, in that I didn't learn what such an event would look like to me, an AVERAGE AMERICAN. And I think because of the utter unreality of the scenario that #3 hints at, coupled with a general lack of quantification of what this will really look/FEEL like, Americans just don't understand the danger of neither #1 or #2 occurring. I don't believe they understand what #2 would look/FEEL like either.

Maybe you say in your book. I wish you'd said in your interview with Terry.

Would your NY Times editor even allow you to present in your column what an Argentina-like scenario would look like?

Regards,

Maybe he's finally taking on this challenge. Laying it all out for us.

[elfin]

16. Saw it last night

the "wiley coyote moment" part scared me to bits. He didn't give a timeline - but he said in "years" - not "decades".

He has transformed from a strictly economist into a political animal due to Chimp. His rage is palpable.

One courageous guy. For so long he was a voice in the wilderness, but now I see hope that important people are beginning to listen to him. Whether they will act remains to be seen.

His take on the media is devastating and on the mark. While poeple like Franken and Moore have already said it - he lends "gravitas" to this point of view.

He, himself, seems a bit astonished at his own transformation.

[Beetwasher]

21. The Reluctant Hero

"He, himself, seems a bit astonished at his own transformation."

Indeed. He's truly someone who felt compelled to rise to the occasion because of the sheer audacity of the corruption he was witnessing. He could no longer be silent. He's a true patriot and a hero. He just radiates integrity.

[rman]

72. i remember him saying he'd rather stick to economics..

(Krugman on Bush's tax cut)

"Another argument is that it's "for helping the elderly; most of the benefits of dividend tax exemption will go to older people". Which is true.
That is if you look at multimillionaires, you find they tend on average to be elderly. If you do the arithmetics, you find that 75% of elderly get zero.
More broadly, for elderly Americans with an income of less then $50.000, a grand total of 4% of this tax break will go to them.

This is amazing, it is so transparent it's ridiculous. It is typical of the way that policies have been sold these last two years. Not just in economics but i'm going to stick to economics."

"What went wrong"
Paul Krugman
rtsp://real.dialnsa.edu/REAL_BEARD/spring2003_events/schwartz.rm


I guess he just can't avoid the inevitable, to also speak out about politics.

[MoonRiver]

48. I hear his mail is checked before he gets it. So much hate mail,

and threats against his life, are sent that the NYT has tried to shield him from such abuse. He's an incredible guy, a hero really.

[JohnyCanuck]

20. What's everyone worrying about?

Every time I see those &*^%!** blowhards Kudlow and Kramer on the boob tube they're telling me how wonderful the economy is doing with the little Shithead's tax cuts about to kick everything into high gear any day now. Whatever happens to the US economy will spill over into Canada big time as the US is by far our largest trading partner, so if New Zealand won't have you, don't expect to find any relief by heading north of the border. Might as well head South to Jebbland or Gropenatorland instead. It's probably better to be unemployed and warm than unemployed and freezing your ASSets off.

[janekat]

58. Yes- move to Florida. We could use some more Dems here.

n/t

[kodi]

22. he really dissed "alleged" right wing economists working in think tanks

i hope he takes a job in the next democratic administraion come january 2005. either sec of treasury or commerce.

[Armstead]

23. Catch William Greider sometimes

He now writes for The Nation and used to write for Rolling Stone on political/economic matters.

He has been accurately follwing and prediucting this shit for decades, and if we'd listened to him back then we wouldn't be in this fucking stikhole mess today.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

29. Or the authors of

"America: What Went Wrong."

It's amazing how many left-wing predictions have come true, despite the assurances of "morning in America."

[ikojo]

31. Krugman IS a realist and realists are often

disparaged by American culture. I am a realist and tend not to sugar coat things. My coworkers call me "negative." ooh it's terrible to be called "negative" in American corporate culture because that implies you are not a "team player."

The average American will not listen to someone like Paul Krugman because they don't like being told the truth. We are a nation of children who want to have our cake and eat it too.

[sendero]

33. >>>We are a nation of children who want to have our cake and eat it too.

.. and there is no better example of that than the election of Arnold. It was nothing short of a screaming, drooling, temper tantrum.

[Flying_Pig]

39. Fellow realist here. Tough job isn't it? It truly is amazing how many

people prefer lies to truth, and diss the purveyors of truth. It's like the Twilight Zone sometimes, ...and I just walk away shaking my head.

[SahaleArm]

63. Timelessly true.

To most of America perception is reality; the truth is often too frightening.

[NoKingGeorge]

76. One mans slant is not to be taken as all.

Krugman is a wise economist. He speculates on the politics of an economic theory. There are other wise economists, who do not do the political speculation, who see in terms of cycles.
Read many varieties of theories and make your own speculations.

[quaker bill]

34. Have you read the book.

The introduction is as powerful a condemnation of the Bush* admin as anything I have ever read.

Then you get into the body of the book. You need to check the dates of each piece he writes and you will realize he knew exactly what was comming months or years in advance.

I initially thought the Great Unravelling would be about the Bush* admin falling apart. It is not. It is about the experiment called democracy in America being torn apart willfully by this admin.

The man is convinced and convincing in his argument that this admin is all about the destruction of the social contract implied in our democracy. It is nothing less profound than that.

Best of all he goes into great and specific detail.

"Taking our country back", is an accurate, albeit polite, way of describing the gravity of the current situation. Clinton was reported to describe shrub as "evil" in private moments. Well put.

This is why I quickly tire of fine point debates over whether we undo all of the tax cuts or just most of them. Or if this candidates policy in regard to economic or social justice is a hair better than that one's. The alternative is literally the end of such considerations, the concept that social and economic justice should even be a goal of government is about to get tossed out the window folks.

Damn right we need a fighter. More than that, we need to enlist and become fighters ourselves.

I am working for Dean now, but if he is not the nominee, I will work just as hard for the election of the democratic nominee regardless of who we pick.

[maha]

57. The Introduction is Amazing

"The introduction is as powerful a condemnation of the Bush* admin as anything I have ever read."

I thought so, too! nearly set my hair on fire, so to speak.

[goforit]

36. WOW.............What a warning!!!

If needs to happen it must....for the good of humanity.

[BeHereNow]

37. Transcript? Archive Link?

I really want to hear/read this!
BHN

[gristy]

41. I think cspan will post it on their web site eventually

http://www.cspan.org/

It seems to take them a couple days to do so.

[NNN0LHI]

42. You know? The last show I seen him on he looked scared. Hmmm n/t

[JanMichael]

43. Sweatin' like a stuck hog he was!

OK, that's exagerrated, but he did seem very concerned (Worried?).

I suppose even he self censors...

[LifeDuringWartime]

44. im confused

who is this guy and what is he talking about?

[Resistance Is Futile]

45. Who is Paul Krugman

Paul Krugman is an economics professor at Princeton. He is talking about the impending collapse of the economy of the United States.

[JohnyCanuck]

46. And he is also a columnist for the NY Times.

He regularly excoriates Shrub and his gang of fellow robber barons for their outlandish economic policies in his NYT columns.

Edited to add this link to a Krugman NYT column reposted at Truthout.

Threats, Promises and Lies by Paul Krugman

Then there's the honesty thing.

Mr. Bush's mendacity on economic matters was obvious even during the 2000 election. But lately it has reached almost pathological levels. Last week Mr. Bush -- who has been having a hard time getting reputable economists to endorse his economic plan -- claimed an endorsement from the latest Blue Chip survey of business economists. "I don't know what he was citing," declared the puzzled author of that report, which said no such thing.

What Americans may not fully appreciate is the extent to which similarly unfounded claims have, in the eyes of much of the world, discredited the administration's foreign policy. Whatever the real merits of the case against Iraq, again and again the administration has cited evidence that turns out to be misleading or worthless -- "garbage after garbage after garbage," according to one U.N. official.

Despite his decline in the polls, Mr. Bush hasn't fully exhausted his reservoir of trust in this country. People still remember the stirring image of the president standing amid the rubble of the World Trade Center, his arm around a fireman's shoulders -- and our ever-deferential, protective media haven't said much about the broken promises that followed. But the rest of the world simply doesn't trust Mr. Bush either to honor his promises or to tell the truth.

[spooky3]

67. He is an award-winning economist.

As he points out, as an academic, he is independent from the dinner-party power circuit in Washington and doesn't depend on corporations for his livelihood. He's encouraged to do careful research rather than pander.

He uses his advantages well and nobly.

[MoonRiver]

49. Check out his latest book: The Great Unraveling.

It's terrific.

[maha]

51. You MUST read Krugman.

I've been a devoted fan since the 2000 election campaign. Krugman was just about the only guy in the media who stood up and said that Bush's economic promises were snake oil.

His column is in the New York Times on Tuesdays and Fridays. You can read through an archive of back columns on this web site:

http://www.pkarchive.org/

Krugman is brilliant and has Bush's number, no question. If you haven't been reading this guy, you are missing out.

[janekat]

56. Hate to tell you BUT if our economy goes - so will the rest of the world's

When our market goes down - so does everyone else's - pretty much the same or next day. So many countries have investments in this country - and vice versa that everyone would be in trouble.

When Brazil went down the tubes in the 90's - Brazil defaulted on their loans. A lot of banks and other institutions in the US lost a lot of money because they had lent Brazil money. There were tons of layoffs, etc at banks because of this.

[Donna Zen]

59. True but

Krugman says that the foreign banks own this debt we're running up. They are going to demand higher interests rates and when that happens, we go off the Argentina cliff.

[Resistance Is Futile]

62. Safe havens

No one will be immune when the US economy implodes. Some parts of the world, however, will fare better than others.

If America falls hard enough, there is a very real risk that it will repeat 1930s German history and respond to hyperinflation and civil unrest by appointing a strongman to 'restore order.' Sieg Hiel and may I have your travel papers. If the crash is sufficiently devistating, forget about preserving what's left of America's democratic insitutions--when people are starving in the streets, democracy tends to become unimportant.

In contrast, while the spillover into the rest of the world will be bad enough to cause a severe recession or depression, very few countries will be hit hard enough for the strongman option to be likely. Out of work in Europe is a much better outcome than in a concentration camp in America.


Keeping the strongman model in mind, don't move to Canada or Mexico as a means of escape. Review the experiences of German jews who fled to the Low Countries before WWII for the reason why.

[DerekG]

61. Is he going to be on again?

[Zhade]

64. I've been telling people "Guns and gold. Buy that, and soon."

It's coming to a head. Crash and burn.

We just need to make sure we take care of each other when it happens, and take care of those who try to violate us as well.

[JanMichael]

75. You forgot Rice.

Other than that we're on the same page.

[0rganism]

65. For some reason, this speech isn't showing up in the archives?

It's about a week old, according to the air dates. Lots of other video around to be watched, but not the Krugman piece. This is the info from the schedule page:

Speech
The Great Unraveling
Harry W. Schwartz Bookshops
Shorewood, Wisconsin (United States)
ID: 178625 - 10/12/2003 - 1:15 - $45.00 <- note the date

Krugman, Paul, Professor, Stanford University, Economics

Paul Krugman discusses his book The Great Unraveling: Losing Our Way in the New Century, published by W. W. Norton. Mr. Krugman explains how he came to be an op-ed writer and comments on some of the pieces included in his book. Specifically, he talks about President Bush's tax cuts, the war in Iraq, the environment, Americans for Tax Reform president Grover Norquist, and House Majority Leader Tom Delay. Mr. Krugman takes questions following his remarks.

http://inside.c-spanarchives.org:8080/cspan/cspan.csp?command=dprogram&record=170198106

Looks like it last aired on Saturday night/Sunday morning, 12:30AM eastern. If anyone has the link to the video feed, please post it in this thread. Thx!

[maha]

74. If you are looking for Krugman transcripts ...

One place you must always check is the Unofficial Paul Krugman Archives:

http://www.pkarchive.org/

The individual who runs this site WILL have a link posted, if one exists.

According to the archivist, the CSPAN talk is not in their video archives:

So, if you have time, please request that C-Span put this Krugman speech in their online video archives, by emailing them ... Please just tell them that: The C-Span website should put in their online video archive the speech about The Great Unraveling, by Paul Krugman, at the Harry W. Schwartz Bookshops in Shorewood, Wisconsin, which was aired on Sunday, October 19 at 12:30 am and at 6:30 pm

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