Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Does a candidate's atheism/religiousness matter to you?

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU
 
Gringo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 06:08 PM
Original message
Poll question: Does a candidate's atheism/religiousness matter to you?
Does a candidate's atheism/religiousness matter to you?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 06:11 PM
Response to Original message
1. I want to know where he/she stands
As an atheist, I like to know how religious the candidate is and how they live their life with regards to their beliefs. Just being a deeply religious person is not reason enough for me to not vote for someone. I'd just prefer that their beliefs be sincere and that they not be a fundamentalist nut.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lastliberalintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 07:09 PM
Response to Reply #1
16. I don't even care
if s/he IS a fundamentalist nut- so long as they don't try to impose their beliefs on me. Be a member of the Lettuce Worshipers Church if you wish, just don't try to force me to join too! :-)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 06:13 PM
Response to Original message
2. Bush claims Gawd influences his policy decisions
therefore I disagree with Bush's religion.

I proprose reanimating Carl Sagan's corpse and running on the rational thought ticket.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 06:25 PM
Response to Reply #2
9. Reanimating?
Not necessary. I'd prefer Sagan's blowfly-infested corpse to any assertion that deems ANY officeholder blessed by supernatural providence with infallibility.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 06:14 PM
Response to Original message
3. Yes. It's important to me that I know the candidate
has values other than those that arise from religion. (I am an aetheist.)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 06:14 PM
Response to Original message
4. You didn't have an option I liked
I really don't care if a person subscribes to this religion or that one, and I don't care if they don't have a religion at all.

HOWEVER: I am concerned with one thing: How fanatic they are about their beliefs. That is what concerns me most.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Gringo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 06:19 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. In my opinion, a person who spouts their spiritual beliefs
as part of a political campaign, first of all cheapens those beliefs, and second of all is by default either a fanatic, or a phony - at least that's my take.

If they were sincere believers, they wouldn't use their religion to peddle themselves as candidates, unless they were fanatics.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 06:19 PM
Response to Original message
5. I am an atheist but don't require that a candidate share my view.
I do take it very unkindly however when a candidate trys to insert his or her religious views into their public policies. Bush, of course, is the most egregrious example. In the Democratic Party we have Lieberman and Kucinich as examples. Neither of the latter two are quite as offensive as the former, however.

I support Howard Dean, and I have no idea what his religion is, although I am aware that his wife is Jewish.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 06:21 PM
Response to Original message
7. I don't care what their faith is
Edited on Tue Dec-02-03 06:22 PM by knight_of_the_star
So long as they don't use it to make policy, preach (ie Asscroft), or be influenced in decisions making by clergy of their faith. Bush I think does a little triple wammy there on my standards.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
salinen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 06:25 PM
Response to Reply #7
8. I would prefer
the candidate be an atheist. That way I know that the voice in his/her head is theirs.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ringmastery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 06:28 PM
Response to Original message
10. What's an atheist to do?
Suppose you want to run for President or congress but you are an atheist, who would disclose that? It's unfortunately political suicide in this day and age. Has any elected offical come out as an atheist?

I guess the easy "out" is simply to say my religious beliefs and connection to god are personal and other evasive BS. blah blah blah
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
politicat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 06:31 PM
Response to Original message
11. None of the above. No fundamentalism. That's my choice.
I'm an atheist-agnostic and I hate to say it, but I'd vote for a moderate, occasional Christian who doesn't have a close personal relationship with God over a rabid, one-note atheist.

I want a religious moderate who realizes that there are hundreds of belief systems in this country and NO ONE TRUE WAY. And that her/his system is not necessarily the best one for everyone.

However, I'll also vote for a rabid-religionist anything who is strong on the separation clause than a moderate who is wishy washy on it. That separation clause is critical and it's my #3 priority.

This would get me murdered in most atheist groups, and so I'm glad my real name isn't up here because I'm active and prominent in one of them, but atheism is a religion, as much as Mac/PC/Linux partisanship, sports teams, or any church group in the country. There are fundamentalist atheists who have made a "profession of faith" insisting that there is no god and the only way to be a real rationalist is to be sternly atheist. That's not acceptable in a president. Sorry. The reverse is true, too. I don't want anyone in the office who says the only way to be a real human or citizen or etc is to believe in a god. I want a leader who says "It's none of my business what you believe and none of the government's, and so we are hands off."

My ideal candidate is an ignostic - doesn't know, doesn't care, doesn't find it relevant to the job description. But that's not going to happen.

That's one of the reasons I like Dean. Not a big church goer. Has his own system. Those make me happy.

Politicat (who is an agnostic on the Presidential candidate idea, too....)



Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 06:38 PM
Response to Original message
12. other.
As long as they're not trying to force it on anyone else, I don't much care.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SeveneightyWhoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 06:41 PM
Response to Original message
13. Aren't "atheist" and "secular humanist"..
..basically the same thing?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Gringo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 11:23 AM
Response to Reply #13
17. Not Really.
An atheist holds no religious beliefs.

A secular humanist may be privately very religious or spiritual, but doesn't believe that religious beliefs should be injected into public policy. He/she advocates policies that are SECULAR, and thus int the interest of all HUMANS, rather than just adherents to his own particcular religion.

This term has been sullied by the religious right, but I consider "secular humanist" to be a high complement.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 06:47 PM
Response to Original message
14. As long as they respect the seperation of church and state
I could care less...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 07:05 PM
Response to Original message
15. Relgious beliefs that are genuinely held and not a means to an
Edited on Tue Dec-02-03 07:07 PM by hlthe2b
end are fine in my book, as is an absence of these same beliefs. I do look for some kind of moral compass, but I do not believe that has to be driven by religious belief. Whatever their beliefs, the person must still be able to think as a secularist to represent us all, IMO.

We certainly don't need another religious fanatic who doesn't question and whose dogmatic thinking makes them unwilling to listen to other viewpoints or to anoint themselves as infallible-- i.e., the Bush model, and I truly believe, the Lieberman model as well. The only difference between the two is that I do believe Lieberman's beliefs to be genuinely held, while with Bush, simply an excuse not to think for himself and a means to an end. No real difference than putting on his Texas "everyman" personna.


As far as I know, we haven't had a leader who was an admitted atheist, so I can really draw a flip side comparison. Nor have any atheists that I've known had a diminished sense of right and wrong guiding their decisions.

So, sincerity in their actions and expressed belief makes more of a difference to me than shared thoughts on religion.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Killarney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 11:27 AM
Response to Reply #15
18. I would prefer that they not be too strong in their religion
It bothers me when I hear Bush say God chose him to be President or when one of his top generals says this is a holy war and we will win because our God is better than their God and the general isn't scolded... that scares me. I would rather than religion didn't come into government at all and that it wasn't mentioned. If a candidate uses God in all his speeches, to be honest, I probably would steer clear.

I'd love an atheist president, but that will never happen in my lifetime.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 11:28 AM
Response to Original message
19. I don't care what religion they are, just so long as
they don't attempt to impose their religion on my public policy.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Blue_Chill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 11:33 AM
Response to Original message
20. All things even I go with a non-literal Christian
However rarely will you find two canidates whos only difference are religious views. So I go with the one that most represents my views politcally and morally. Religion is really not much a concern to me as long as we agree on the issues.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
youngred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 11:42 AM
Response to Original message
21. I will second what everyone else says
as long as they're not forcing it down my throat they can believe whatever they want to believe
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 11:46 AM
Response to Original message
22. I am inclined to reject a fundamentalist Christian for being
Edited on Wed Dec-03-03 11:46 AM by BurtWorm
a fundamentalist Christian. The more orthodox a person is, the less I trust them to use reason alone in making decisions affecting everyone, even those not of his or her faith. So I'm prejudiced against ultrareligious people, yes. So sue me.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Liberator_Rev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 05:32 PM
Response to Original message
23. I care about his/her values, but
I care about his/her values, but I don't care where he or she got them. However, if he or she is a Liberal like me, and he or she wants to get elected (i.e. chosen) by a constituency that is 70 to 95% "Christian", I hope he or she will be smart enough to claim that he or she is as deserving of support from "Christians" as any damn lying hypocritical Republican who claims to be "THE CHRISTIAN CANDIDATE".

See why Liberal Democrats have MORE reason to deserve the support of "Christians" than Republicans at http://www.LiberalsLikeChrist.Org/Democrats .
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sun May 05th 2024, 02:38 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC