Republicans, welfare, and work

[Deja Q]

I was up in Walker, MN. I attended a tour of what used to be a boom town, turned bust when the logging days died out.

The tour guide always made references to welfare and the town becoming a welfare town and so on. I'm thinking he's a republican.

What I didn't say, because of time, was "Well, if you're against welfare so much, why not convince America's corporations to move a factory into your city so people can WORK and get off of welfare, instead of overseas and in turn creating MANY MORE welfare recipients?"

The way things are going, more of this nation is going to become a welfare country. Until republicans end that in which case we're going to be a nation of homeless people.

And that traitor, President Apostate*, supports every move toward foreign outsourcing.

Republicans are anti-american traitors for wanting both ways. They want people to work yet all the jobs are going outside this country. What's left are pitiful retail jobs that half the people wouldn't be able to pass the initial "personality profile" test.

Republicans and who they support are more than just traitors, they are robbing people of their lives, forcing them to live pitifully. Much like how slavery did. And for those who cannot get jobs, republicans are COLD BLOODED FIRST DEGREE MURDERERS - they want people who don't fit their standard to die.

They are evil. Every day I find it harder and harder to give them fair consideration. They don't give us fair consideration at all (their idea ofg "compromise" is for us to bend over backwards to their every whim) and a society that doesn't LISTEN AND COMPROMISE to all sides is doomed to failure.

[Nikia]

1. Locally they try

I was born in a large town in the Midwest that had seen more prosperous days. During the early 80's, a couple of higher paying employers closed their doors. The decline began. Local government and the chamber of commerce try to get other companies to locate there. They've had some success, but most jobs that are gained pay about half of what the jobs they are replacing paid. Retail is not a good suppose because not only do they pay less, but stores close too when people spend less.

[leftyandproud]

2. The GOP doesn't want jobs to leave the country

I've talked to several conservatives who were upset about it...but they see SOLUTION to this issue in a very different way than we do. Rather than making laws to keep corporations here..and penalizing them for moving offshore, they believe we should go the opposite route and REPEAL many of the regulations and legal burdens corps face in America...reduce the corporate tax to 0% for those operating in the USA. They believe by making the environment more attractive to operate in the USA, businesses will be less likely to leave the country in the first place...Sure, the "corporation" itself won't be paying taxes, but thousands of workers and shareholders will be, making the economy + government both benefit in the end. That is the basic argument.

[Devlzown]

4. Oh, yeah, that would take care of everything.

Then the corporations would say "We can't afford to keep paying these wages the unions are asking for. The workers aren't so greedy over in China. We're gonna have to get rid of this oppressive minimum wage!"

[Deja Q]

6. Quite! And here's why America is not a country of freedom...

People, the increasing # of people, would have to take so many jobs that even LIVING would be impossible.

We're not a free people, our lives revolve and are dependent on corporations to live even a relatively sane life. As more corporations abandon us, they are taking away what makes America great.

And it'll eventually come back to haunt them, though I'd rather see nobody get haunted.

But corporations want it all, but they will kill us all - and ultimately themselves - in the process. That is what I predict.

[Deja Q]

5. They're utterly flawed, here's why...

I could be very harsh but I won't. They have an interesting POV but it's utterly flawed.

They want everything at no cost to them. (sounds a bit like communism, in a warped way...) That isn't fair to the workers and the citizens who then have to make up for the corporations' obvious greed.

Maybe we should give corporations copies of "SimCity 4" and try to run things the way they want and see how quickly they implode...

Here's what it is to be an American, no exceptions whatsoever: ALL American entities must pay their fair share to live and operate in this country in order to take advantage of the freedoms and protections America gives them (okay, us, as I am a businessman 'on the side'). Period.

These companies can move overseas as far as I care, but then make them live under those governments' rules and be cut off from America totally. Let's see how they like it then. I suspect they won't like it very much at all.

I hope you lurkers out there are reading this entire thread and are learning, not fuming.

And if the traitors got their way, 0 taxes for businesses, who here thinks jobs will come pouring back into the USA? I don't. None will come back. It's still cheaper to exploit the people of the foreign countries.

America is headed toward a bad way unless companies stay to support the INFRASTRUCTURE instead of their personal pocketbook. Otherwise we've all had it and they'd lose out on their protections, as they deserve to.

[JanMichael]

7. One look at effective tax rates and their argument crumbles.

http://www.ctj.org/html/corp0402.htm

They're great at pointing out the rates then convenietly forgetting to give the effective rates which are practically nothing for the big boys.

PS~ See the ENRON numbers...

[DBoon]

9. US Wages - Taxes > Non US Wage

Can't possibly reduce taxes enough to make a difference, when foreign wages are one tenth US wages

[snippy]

11. This country has tried their way and rightly decided to change it.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

12. What country? (nt)

[KG]

3. the politicos on both sides of the aisle have shown little regard

for the working people in this country. the dems also have done little to stem the flow of good jobs out of this country.

it's shameful to watch them all wave the flag as US corporations outsource our economy to the third world.

[Deja Q]

8. True

NAFTA et al points to that direction as well and the Dems also need to cater to the corporations to get any money from them.

(that's why I prefer the Green party, but it'll take a miracle for the masses to vote for them. It would take a poignant issue AND the means to spread the word widely. The latter they might be able to construct with the right people (not you Nader, sorry) but the ability to send the message is just impossible until there's electoral reform, which will NEVER happen because, both the Dems and the pukes are happy with the status quo.

Perhaps we're on a road that has no turns... better brace for the speed bump we're approaching at 75MPH...

[Dr. Wu]

10. You are advocating tax cuts for the rich?

<<<<why not convince America's corporations to move a factory into your city so people can WORK and get off of welfare?>>>

You sound more Republican than the tour guide.