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Sterling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 08:11 PM Original message |
Why did our Dems sell us out on Patriot Act 2? |
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RedSock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 08:13 PM Response to Original message |
1. good cop/bad cop |
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Sterling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 08:16 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Seems so. |
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evil_orange_cat (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 08:33 PM Response to Reply #1 |
13. I agree... look at the campaign contributions... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 08:15 PM Response to Original message |
2. Teh senate was a voice vote |
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Sterling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 08:17 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. I know I have not heard a peep from any Dem |
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DUreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 08:28 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. Byrd was trying to stop this when they rammed it thru |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 08:27 PM Response to Reply #2 |
9. Wrong wrong wrong |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 09:00 PM Response to Reply #9 |
30. Byrd is old enough not to have to worry about the Lobbyists. He saw it |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 09:27 PM Response to Reply #30 |
41. Yeah, I agree |
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buycitgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 09:54 PM Response to Reply #9 |
44. you can't have a voice vote unless there's no dem on the floor..... |
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shanti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 11:06 PM Response to Reply #44 |
56. IT makes you wonder if they were told |
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buycitgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 11:15 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. geeeeee. if we had a functioning media........ |
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Speed8098 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-03 06:58 PM Response to Reply #44 |
74. Here's the link to HR2417 |
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Fleshdancer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 08:18 PM Response to Original message |
5. Good &$%@&! question Sterling |
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101 Proof (319 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 08:20 PM Response to Original message |
6. I dunno... |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 08:23 PM Response to Original message |
7. Patriot II passed because it is popular |
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DUreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 08:27 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Patriot 2 was stopped last jan due to public outcry |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 08:34 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. It was public outcry from media and a minority of "activists" |
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DUreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 08:36 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. No it was bipartisan grass roots outcry |
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Sterling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 08:58 PM Response to Reply #17 |
29. You are right this is an issue I have been using on pukes |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 08:45 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. media outcry was a result of public outcry |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 08:55 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. I looked out the window. No people. Checked CNN |
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Sterling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 09:01 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. So you saw that CNN announced that Patriot 2 was passed? |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 10:35 PM Response to Reply #31 |
50. You are making my point for me, and you are forgetting that most |
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Sterling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-03 06:17 PM Response to Reply #50 |
70. Just seems like you don't think we should bother. |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 10:51 PM Response to Reply #27 |
53. Communities |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 11:02 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. several. out of millions. |
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Redneck Socialist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 09:06 PM Response to Reply #7 |
33. I don't think so. |
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Sterling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 10:15 PM Response to Reply #33 |
49. wqow people really are dumb where you live. |
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Redneck Socialist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-04 01:04 PM Response to Reply #49 |
91. Not dumb... |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 10:39 PM Response to Reply #33 |
52. What they do know is that the govmint has cracked down on tersts |
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Sterling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-03 08:03 PM Response to Reply #52 |
77. Wow you must live in a KKK area. |
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Selwynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-03 10:50 AM Response to Reply #7 |
65. This is definately mistaken |
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Sterling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-03 08:05 PM Response to Reply #65 |
78. Thx |
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Sterling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-03 06:22 PM Response to Reply #7 |
71. I wanted to add |
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YNGW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 08:30 PM Response to Original message |
11. I did a google search... |
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DUreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 08:35 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. What is reliable to you? |
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YNGW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 08:46 PM Response to Reply #15 |
23. Post #21 |
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maggrwaggr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 08:31 PM Response to Original message |
12. I think a party enema is in the offing |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 09:13 PM Response to Reply #12 |
36. And, Daschle has to be the FIRST to GO! Get him OUTTA THERE! |
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ldoolin (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 08:36 PM Response to Original message |
16. Did the actual "Patriot Act II" pass? |
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DUreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 08:38 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. details of the bill are secret, so I would guess yes |
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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 08:54 PM Response to Reply #18 |
26. the "secret law" thing is misinfo or disinfo |
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DUreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 09:32 PM Response to Reply #26 |
42. OK after some reading , I think it was drafted in secret |
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whatelseisnew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-03 09:33 AM Response to Reply #26 |
62. ""Most details of the bill are secret" from news.google.com |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 08:44 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. no, the entire PA II did not pass--a part of it was snuck into |
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Upfront (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 08:50 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Did Gep. vote? |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 08:56 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. way down at the bottom: "did not vote" |
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ldoolin (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 09:05 PM Response to Reply #21 |
32. Thought so |
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hellhathnofury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-03 10:06 PM Response to Reply #21 |
86. My Republican congressman Dreier voted for and |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 08:39 PM Response to Original message |
19. republicans control |
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worldgonekrazy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 08:42 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Doesn't stop them from taking it to the media |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 08:48 PM Response to Original message |
24. Dennis Kucinich will try to reverse the Patriot Act 2 |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 09:07 PM Response to Reply #24 |
34. Kucinich has become the "Conscience" of the Dem Party! Love Him! |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-03 06:26 PM Response to Reply #24 |
72. "the administration's strategy is to pass PATRIOT II in separate pieces" |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 09:11 PM Response to Original message |
35. Am I reading this correctly... Pelosi broke ranks and voted FOR it???? |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 09:16 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. I don't know about the vote, Salin. It's just now leaking out. But, not |
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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 09:23 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. she inspired me with her fight against the medicare bill |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 11:53 PM Response to Reply #40 |
59. btw, I would REALLY like to see congressional tactics |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-03 12:04 AM Response to Reply #40 |
60. Cocoa, I agree. I thought she did great on the Medicare Bill......I'm |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 11:47 PM Response to Reply #37 |
58. I was a fan when I lived in the Bay Area - |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 09:19 PM Response to Original message |
38. Keep tearing down the Democrats... |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-03 12:10 AM Response to Reply #38 |
61. Don, no one wants to tear down our Dem Leadership, they do it for us..... |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-03 10:02 AM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Actually KoKo01 I am more discouraged by the people who fall for... |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-03 11:43 PM Response to Reply #63 |
90. So, you say stupid, irresponsible things like this |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-03 11:42 PM Response to Reply #38 |
89. We got Patriot I because the Democrats did NOTHING about it |
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genius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 09:23 PM Response to Original message |
39. DEan called for a re-evaluation of the need for personal liberties after |
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Sterling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 10:13 PM Response to Reply #39 |
47. Link plz |
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MoonRiver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 09:36 PM Response to Original message |
43. I'm with you, I need answers YESTERDAY. |
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buycitgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 09:56 PM Response to Original message |
45. see post #44......this is NOT PATRIOT II.....it's still being written |
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FDRrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 10:00 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. What of the VICTORY act? |
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Sterling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 10:13 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. It seems the are splitting it up to sneak it buy. |
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veracity (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 10:36 PM Response to Original message |
51. Not the party... |
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goforit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-03 10:57 PM Response to Original message |
54. You just go ask Lieberman/Kerry and Gepthardt those same questions. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-03 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
64. And you folks are suprised at this sell out? Why? |
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pnziii (168 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-03 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
66. This is why we need Dean |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-03 11:13 AM Response to Reply #66 |
68. Are you suggesting Dean is not really a Dem, or what? n/t |
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Scott Lee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-03 09:56 PM Response to Reply #66 |
82. And Dean is antiestablishment....connect the dots. |
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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-03 10:04 PM Response to Reply #66 |
84. Bush apponted the chair of the commission |
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Loonman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-03 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
67. "please Bush, don't hurt us" |
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Sterling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-03 06:12 PM Response to Original message |
69. What are we going to do about it? |
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leesa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-03 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
73. Because they are rich and the battle is between the rich |
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Malva Zebrina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-03 07:49 PM Response to Original message |
75. my honest, first gut reaction is that |
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The Sushi Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-03 07:57 PM Response to Original message |
76. Maybe its time to go "GREEN"! |
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Sterling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-03 08:14 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. No its time to take the party back. |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-03 11:01 PM Response to Reply #76 |
88. Yea. That plan turned out so well in 2000 you want to try it again? |
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corporatewhore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-03 08:37 PM Response to Original message |
80. Kucinich did not sell us out on p1 or p2 |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-03 09:50 PM Response to Original message |
81. This is the first I've heard of this. And FUCK this PISSES me off! |
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proud patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-03 10:02 PM Response to Original message |
83. FEAR |
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Must_B_Free (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-03 10:05 PM Response to Original message |
85. Patriot II??? And I thought Shrek II was going to be bad... |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-03 10:41 PM Response to Original message |
87. My Same "Year in Review" Thoughts, Sterling! |
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