Threads about 9-11: the stuff of 'conspiracy nuts'?

[Q]

- There's a discussion going on in the 'Ask the Administrators' forum about some DUers getting sick and tired of seeing 9-11 threads in General Discussion. They call any thread about 9-11 'hyperbole' and the work of nutcases and worse.

- I'd like to know how many other DUers think this way? Are you sick of these threads? Are they out of place in General Discussion?

- And if it's just about 'embarrassing' conspiracy theories...why are the 'Bush* caused the Iran earthquake' threads allowed to exist?

- 9-11 was the pivotal event that gave Bush* dictatorial powers and the very reason for the War on Terrorism. 9-11 is directly related to all these other events. Does this mean that none of these events can be discussed in GD?

- At the very least we should be offered some guidelines so we can understand the type of threads acceptable in GD.

[bryant69]

1. Tricky Question

It's not whether or not any particular theory about September 11th is correct or incorrect, but whether we should be allowed to discuss September 11th at all.

I don't like the conspiracy threads--frankly I don't buy the theories, and I think it makes Democrats look like, for lack of a better term, paranoid dopes. I also think it distracts from the more visible failures of the Bush Administration.

But no subject should be off limits, in my mind, unless it is deliberately offensive or obviously the posting of a Freeper.

Bryant
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[Nashyra]

2. Valid and informitive 9-11 links should be in GD

I think one can determine a "crank" article from a valid 9-11 post. I think that there is nothing more important than educating DU members of new information that is leaked to non mainstream media regarding 9-11. I'm sure that some of the rhetoric can be toned down but most what I see in GD is valid verification that the administration is being evasive for a very political reason.

[DuctapeFatwa]

3. Please see sig

[KoKo]

4. Conspiracy threads on DU have had a way of turning out to be fact rather

than conspiracy. Back to the early days of "Bush Stole the Election" and the "Media are Whores for Corporations." This was one of the few places these thoughts were voiced. They were considered "conspiracy then." In addition those who thought the "Saddam WMD/Bio/Chem" information was Bogus from the beginning were called "Conspiracy Theorists."

So, IMHO the Conspiracy theories deserve to be discussed and proven or disproven based on research. I think they belong on DU, since so many theories have been proven to have some truth or all truth.

As far as the Earthquakes. I thought that was "over the top." And, I'm a "tinfoilhatter." It was too much for me, but I wasn't embarrassed by it. At least many knowledgeable DU'ers posted information contrary to the theory which makes it seem geologically impossible. I didn't post on that thread because it was "over the top to me" but I read it.

On Edit: I think the 9/11 Posts are some of the most valuable ones on DU because we know the secrecy surrounding it. And, we know Bush and Co. are fighting like hell to keep information from coming out about it. Think of how the Kennedy Assassination has lived on because all the information wasn't allowed to come out. One day we will know what happened to Kennedy, and maybe one day the whole truth about 9/11 will come out. It needs to be kept alive, because it causes more folks to dig and dig.

[Junkdrawer]

5. There are many legitimate questions surrounding 9-11...

Why were Afghan invasion plans on the pResident's desk just before 9-11?

What took so long for fighters to be scrambled?

Why was the FBI stymied in its investigations of the potential hijackers?

Why were the Saudis allowed to leave without being questioned when no one else could fly?

Personally, I think a lot of the hyperbole (e.g. Jews were told not to come to work at the WTC on 9-11) is used to mask the legitimate questions.

[JHB]

13. Those are valid questions...

...it's when we get into claims of demolition charges being placed in the buildings, pods on planes, etc. that things go off into la-la land.

[NewGuy]

6. The recent ones I have seen are pretty weak.

Posting a story that says Al Qaida may hijack a plane and claiming it is proof that bush* knew is ridiculous. All living, breathing, thinking humans knew there was a chance of a hijacking. That does not make bush* liable for the WTC disaster.

The government uses the terms "specific and credible" when talking about a threat. Why don't we apply the same logic here. If you have specific and credible evidence of bush* administration complicity in 9/11 post it in GD, otherwise keep it in 9/11.

[pnziii]

7. There a little truth in everything

I don't agree with all that's said about conspiracies, but there are a lot of un answered questions about 9/11.

Also why all the stoewalling by the Admin.

[aquart]

8. I don't like being lied to. That makes me a nut?

The ones who are sick and tired of discussing this are not required to discuss it. They can turn on cartoons. Read a book. Discover a cure for cancer. They are not being forced to endure the horror of investigating the coverup of the worst attack on the United States in its history.

What are they afraid of, exactly? Discussion?

Being associated with people who discuss difficult issues?

Or are they afraid a Republican will call them names? Why wait? I'll call them names: Cowards, how's that? Bush-enablers? Ostriches?

There are a lot worse things than being called "nutcase" by liars and treasonous bastards. Really.

Oh, lordy, I just had a vision of these fearful creatures twittering about that nutcase Galileo. Just jumped into my head.

Because you don't wanna believe, don't mean it ain't true.

[cthrumatrix]

9. I agree.....keep the 911 discussion alive

[Cannikin]

12. I remember my grief stopping dead in its tracks and my curiosity

raised when I first heard the reports of the passport of one of the hijackers being recovered so quickly...I've felt strange about that fact ever since.

I keep seeing the scene from everyones favorite conspiracy movie JFK...one of those flashbacks about getting a Texan in the Whitehouse...and the words 'I'll give you your war'

Well, now we have a war that can be stretched out indefinately, we'll soon have a draft for an unlimited supply of cannon fodder, and unlimited war profits for many large american companies.


It does indeed give me pause.

[Mikimouse]

10. Saw the thread, decided not to get into it in ATA

but I will say that I am in favor of discussing these things, and I'll tell you why. There have been multiple instances, perhaps minor ones but instances nonetheless, when things that my wife and I privately predicted (Only to each other) came to fruition just as we predicted. Some of these predictions were simply based on what others called conspiracy theories, but they were borne out later. Idon't consider myself a 'tinfoil hatter' and do not tend to see conspiracies behind everything. but with the current situation as it is, I feel that nothing is too trivial to be ignored. We do, after all, have evidence of other conspiracies in the not-too-distant past (aimed at convincing the murkin people that Cuba was an immediate terrorist threat requiring invasion), the Gulf of Tonkin incident, the Israeli attack on a US warship (sorry, I forget the name of the vessel, and others. I will also argue that there were probably some (many?), who were probably accused of being tinfoil hatters during some of the most dangerous regimes in world history. One wonders what historians wil say two or three hundred years from now, about 'conspiracy theories of the early 21st century'.

[whatelseisnew]

11. It is so easy to get any 911 thread yanked from GD

All you have to do , no matter how new and valid the thread may be,

is to post a bunch of inflammatory replies and rehash all of the

glaring inconsistencies in the official story

Throw around the term 'conspiracy' and the overwhelmed original thread

question will fade from the discussion , then the whole thread will get

moved to the 911 forum which is hidden inside another forum

[DS1]

14. People see what they want to see

Personally I don't give much value in the EMP/Beam Weapon reports, Remote Control Planes is possible but unlikely (the jets are designed to be easy to fly, and finding NYC isn't hard), LIHOP = of course.

[Minstrel Boy]

15. Vincent Bugliosi on "conspiracy theories":

"Conspiracies are conceived in shadowy recesses.... Conspiracies are proven bit by bit, speck by speck, brick by brick, until all of a sudden you have a mosaic. They are proven by circumstantial evidence."
(from The Assassination of Robert F. Kennedy, William Turner and Jonn Christian, page 304)

What we do here is create a mosaic. Bit by bit, speck by speck, post by post. The evidence is circumstantial, but its cumulative weight is considerable.

[Moderator]

16. Locking

This is already awaiting Admin response in AtA -- where such questions are properly posed.