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Goldom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 09:58 AM
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Poll question: Is everyone that owns a Hummer a Republican?
I really just can't any Dems being that STUPID. There's one parked that I pass by every day on the way home... But it's parked right by two houses which both have "Regime Change in Washington" signs out... :shrug: the mind reels...
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 10:01 AM
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1. Believe it or not...
Edited on Tue Apr-13-04 10:01 AM by sirjwtheblack
A few Dems out there don't consider environment their top issue and don't make the connection to foreign policy.

Edit note: I do not, nor will I ever own a Hummer personally. Just making a point.
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Florida_Geek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 10:01 AM
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2. Remember the Hummer tax break for businesses.
Some people moved up to over 6,000 for the tax break.

Also a little off topic. There are states and areas that owning a Hummer makes sense, myself I would go with a real Jeep but....
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Goldom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 10:04 AM
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4. I suppose.
This, however, being the middle of the city...

Irked about that tax break myself... That break originally was for hybrid cars, which I drive, but every year they're taking away from alternative energy tax breaks, and giving it to energy wasting tax breaks. What are they thinking?!
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Florida_Geek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 10:12 AM
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7. What is Bush ever thinking.......
What his $$$ friends want they get.

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GumboYaYa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 10:03 AM
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3. Not necessarily....
There are legitimate uses for SUVs. I kayak and could not get my boat to many places where we drop without a four wheel drive vehicle. On the other hand, most of the kayakers I know don't have the coin to drop $60,000 plus on a truck for getting in and out of rivers edge, so I doubt there are many of those out there.
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apnu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 10:09 AM
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5. I voted "no" because
I'd prefer option #3... "no they are pigs"

I live in a huge metropolis, and the city streets are choked with SUV's being driven by one tiny person who can barely see over the steering wheel. (while talking on a cell phone -- it's still legal to yap and drive here, sucking down a chocolate latte) I don't see the point of owning a huge vehicle in a metro area where streets are very narrow and parking impossible to find. Why have a tank when there's no where to put it and you'll be stuck in traffic 70% of your driving experience crawling along in first gear?

If someone needs a big vehicle (construction workers, large families), I say OK fine, you have a reason for such a big car. Everybody else is a pig IMO. I specifically choose a compact car for its size, fuel efficiency, and the fact that its agile and quick. Now I'm surrounded by cars and trucks that can drive over me at any time.

SUV's in a city are pointless and IMO are driven by pigs, but I can't say specifically what their political alignment is, because I don't talk to them, and they usually don't have bumper stickers either.
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elfwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 10:31 AM
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11. amen!
I agree. I live in an area of Dallas where I see anywhere between 4 to 10 H2s in one driving trip. I live in the middle of Dallas. These things are pristine. These people aren't using them for recreation. They are being asses.
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Ernesto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 10:11 AM
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6. Last week I drove through Titus Canyon
in Death Valley with my 2 wheel drive Ford pick up. You should have seen the faces of all the flat-dick SUV owners as they realized how much $$$$$$ they had wasted on their needless 4 wheel drive options.
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Logansquare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 10:14 AM
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8. I have an acquaintance w owns a Hummer, a Prius, and a Mini Cooper
I don't know his politics;he's just a car nut.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 11:48 AM
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16. When's he going to get a convertible?
Having a Hummer as one of several vehicles indicates you really like cars & can afford to indulge your hobby. So he probably doesn't use it for tooling around town every day.

Even though I own an old Tercel & commute by bus, I can understand car lust. My own income & interests run to accumulating books & unusual crockery (let's hear it for e-bay).



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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 10:28 AM
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9. I don't own a Hummer, BUT...
...I take issue with the equivalence between personal behavior and that person's ideals of collective behavior.

A few things:

1) If it's hypocritical to be in favor of collective behavior that isn't a simple extrapolation of the individual's behavior, then we're all hypocrites, every single one of us. What car do you drive? Is it the most fuel-efficient car there is? Do you drive it only when you _have_ to? Do you know that a huge percentage of oil consumption goes to electricity production? Do you only use energy-efficient devices? Do you only use them when you _have_ to? Do you use spray bottles? Etc, etc... The Hummer is a veritable symbol of resource-gluttonous lifestyle, but it's only a symbol. I'm pulling this out of my ass, as I don't have any statistics, but I'll bet you that if we all chose to bike to non-essential destinations (like going to bars or the movies at night), or if we all decided to use energy-efficent electical devices, or even if we all remembered to turn the lights off when we aren't using them, it would mean a whole lot more for the environment than if all Hummer drivers decided to retire their Hummers.

2) You'll often hear conservative politicians accusing liberals of hypocrisy because they're in favor of campaign-finance reform, and yet in their own campaigns they accept corporate money. I say, what's the alternative? The alternative is for the liberal to be "principled" and "idealistic" and raise 1/10th of the money the conservative has, and therefore lose the race, and therefore give in to the yet more gluttonous legislation the conservative is likely to enact. I think this is a metaphor for this whole dychotomy between collective and personal responsibility. It's like a soccer match in which liberals maintain that the ball should not be handled with players' hands, and conservatives think that it should; if liberals simply apply their collective belief to their individual behavior, they are bound to lose the match. We should work for enacting rules in which nobody will be allowed to handle the ball, but until such rules exist, we can't be the fools that will lose the match because of their ideals. You'll say "how will we enact them if we're not willing to follow them personally"? Well, Rosa Parks didn't refuse to move to the back of the bus in the 1890s; she waited until the 1960s. In the 1890s, she would have been arrested or lynched and would not have been able to continue her struggle for the point in which a critical mass is reached, a critical mass that gives context in which individual behavior has a measurable social effect.

So, in short, there are much better and more effective ways to fight for a change in our collective behavior and collective rules than simply to decide to individually follow them. If all we do is give up some of the benefits of modern society because we don't believe in them, we are enacting reverse social selection in which the worst of us have the most benefits. I don't at all find it hypocritical that Kerry would refuse public financing or that Arianna Huffington flies private jets. If Kerry loses the elections and Arianna isn't able to maintain a lifestyle of a modern journalist, then we can only expect more corporate involment in the electoral process and less voices for environmental change.
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 10:28 AM
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10. Quite frankly it sounds like stereotyping
to say that because a person drives such and such type of vehicle that he or she must belong to one party or another. I am a registered Democrat, have been for many many years and drive an old beat up pick up truck. Does this make me a bad guy? No it does not. To tell you the truth, I wish I had the $ to get a Hummer. However, If I had $60,000, I'd get another house, not a Hummer. If I won the lottery though...:)
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Commendatori Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 10:40 AM
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12. I live in DC, and
I'm pretty sure most of the SUV owners I know are Democrats, or so-called Democrats anyway, with lines of reasoning like "in this traffic, a Dodge Neon is a gas guzzler, so I might as well be comfortable."

I drive a 1997 Chevy Cavalier myself.

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porkrind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 10:40 AM
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13. If not, they think like one.
A hummer is a pathetic phallic abomination. I can see that one would want a large car for impact protection from other large cars, but a hummer is more about image. The people who worship and desire this kind of image would seem to me to be poorly educated men with self-confidence problems.

In other words, your typical republican in deed if not in name.

:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:
Eeeeeeeewwwwwwww.
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 11:36 AM
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14. there was a funny and disturbing piece about
people who want Hummers on 60 Minutes last year, with either a psychiatrist or psychologist who is now a marketing maven, stating the lizard brain argument for Hummers...

people are afraid, a Hummer makes me feel safer; in other words: "I need a really big shiny skin to be safe!" Scary.
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 11:38 AM
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15. No, and everyone that gets a hummer isn't a Democrat :) :) :)
n/t
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SOteric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 11:54 AM
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17. A guy I know who has one is just an apolitical gear-head.
I know there's a tendency hereabouts to sort everyone into groups of 'with us/against us,' but the majority of the population is still apathetic about the issues that divide us politically and can't be accurately described as either particularly 'with us' or against us.
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