Trekkers, your opinion of Enterprise (as of 3x21)

[Endangered Specie]

Id like to stick my neck out and say that it has gotten to be halfway decent.

[TOhioLiberal]

1. Don't watch it...

n/t

[Endangered Specie]

5. why not?

[LastKnight]

2. i used to watch it...

but then UPN moved it's time and rebroadcast to times i was unable to... it was ok... i mean... not great but ive seen worse out there... archer is kinda whiny though, but oh well.

-LK

[qazplm]

3. not a fan

bad idea to do a show based in the past.

Its killing star trek.

[Endangered Specie]

7. I seriously think it is changing to be worthwhile of the name Trek...

though it would be nice to see the first two seasons wiped off the map.

[andino]

4. I keep waiting for Archer to leap....

j/k

[NEOBuckeye]

6. That's like calling George W. Bush a not so bad President

Even though he's responsible for the deaths of thousands.

Enterprise is a very bad joke that makes a mockery of the entire Star Trek universe. Rick Berman should be the subject of a case study of how bad executives destroy good ideas. Roddenberry would be spinning in his grave.

[Endangered Specie]

8. Try watching the 3 most recent episodes,

they are remarkably good.

[FireHeart]

10. Too much time travel.

There's way too much time travel in "Enterprise" it leads to a lot of timeline problems that can't be easily resolved.

The last three episodes were...sorry, but...boring.

[SnowGoose]

9. Oh get off your high horses - it's not that bad!

Just remember 3 little words: Skin of Evil, ok?

Even TNG had some weak writing in the beginning. I think it's gotten... I'll say it: Good. Over the last season, particularly. I liked their take on the mind-meld being a "closet" thing. I liked the recent episode where they had to steal the warp-core from another ship. This is decent stuff. The revisited Andorians are pretty nifty, too (hey pinkskin, pull my antenna).

I don't like the increasingly desperate showing of T'Pal nekkid every couple of episodes... ok, I like it quite a bit, but I think it cheapens the show, and they should knock it off.

I just don't understand why everybody hates it so much (this coming from someone who as a kid would sneak out to the living room sunday nights (monday morings) at 1:00am to watch the original series, and drag his 10-year old ass through school all day monday with a smile on his face).

[TreasonousBastard]

11. No, it's not that bad...

it's just not that good.

OK, there are trekkies out there who have memorized every script from the original and think Hamlet was a nobody next to Kirk. Some even think that cast could actually act. To them, all is faux Trek and this one is pure dreck. The worst, except for the one they can't mention without puking.

Me, I think the characters are still unidimensional, although they're trying. The main problem I see is that they're overusing the expensive sets, a disease TNG started, and not getting off the ship enough to interact with other species. Or other anybodies. It makes them try too hard to work the characters. Dramatic conflicts just seem too strained. Occasional Andorrans and the Zindi just don't cut it. Plotting and storylines are too simple and linear, too. Where are the subplots? The interleaving storylines?

I think this one has most of the faults of the original, but little of the good stuff.

True trekkies hate me for saying it, but my favorite is still DS9. It may not have been true to the Trek, but it was damn good storytelling and damn good theater. Best characters in the whole series.

[sfwriter]

12. Quit watching... Trek ended with the Second Season TOS. EOM

[billbuckhead]

13. Last episode was as good as any Star Trek ever made

The moral dilemnas they are having lately are very timely and thought provoking.

[wysimdnwyg]

14. Just like DS9 and Voyager...

the first couple of seasons... well... sucked. But also just like those shows, it's starting to come into it's own. I'm not sure if it's that the entire crew took until now to get comfortable, or if they took this long to figure out what the hell they're doing, but it's starting to work.
I will agree there's too much time travel, but the secret to all four previous shows has been to develop a quality foe. The Xindi are not that great, but the new foe has the potential to rival the Borg.
Give it another season, and I think we'll see it get even better.

[commander bunnypants]

15. A lifelong ttekker here

no matter what. I will kick anybodies ass who disses trek.

grrrrrr

DDQM

[WillParkinson]

16. We stopped watching...

It was never that great.

That, added to the fact that our UPN affiliate would move it to a different day if there was a baseball or basketball game on and we'd miss it.

[TheMightyFavog]

17. I used to be a big Trek fan...

But ever since Berman and his lackeys retconned the entire Trek Universe backstory (i.e. Making Cochrane from Earth instead of Alpha Centauri, Vulcans being the first alien spiecies to have first contact with Earth, Enterprise NX-01 having phaseer, torpedo, subspace radio transmitter and transporter technologies,etc.) I've lost a lot of respect for the series. If They fired Berman and put me in charge, I'd bring back the old univers cast off Enterprise as not part of official canon, and maybe start a series about the first years of the Federation, just after the Romulan Wars. Nor Phasers, no subspace transmission ability, no transporters.

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

18. Do I DARE even comment here?

I've met a few rabid Trek fans who HATE the show represented by my avatar (almost violently opposed to it, I was practically attacked at a convention for even SAYING I watched Babylon 5)

Enterprise has lost it's way. Star Trek as a whole has lost its way. Majel Barrett Roddenberry was correct in saying the Trek franchise should have taken a break after Voyager left the air. Two to five years of no Trek whatsoever (Including that hideous remake of Star Trek 2. You know, then one called "Nemesis"?), and get some new writers in with fresh ideas. And for cripes sake, fire Brannon Braga! He's a little too time-travel happy. Stop re-writing the history that millions know and love with this "Temporal Cold War" and the Xindi (or is is spelled Zindi?), who were obviously so terrible that nobody even heard of them in the other series.
Re-writing history like this really turns me off of Star Trek, and I grew up watching syndicated reruns of the original series way past my bedtime on Sunday nights. I eagerly awaited the revival of it in the movies, and I've got dozens of tapes with Next Generation episodes (I gave them to my sis-in-law so she could watch them). Heck, I watched DS9 come into its own as a series, and I was rather impressed.

But Enterprise...eh. This "re-working" of it for this season doesn't do it for me. There's little fear of the Xindi actually blowing up the Earth, because this is a prequel series. Earth is still there for TOS and TNG, so...eh.

[ProfessorGAC]

19. Still Have A Fundamental Problem With It

While the writers seem to have hit a bit of their stride recently, i still have problems with the inherent concept.

Going back into the past is fraught with plot barriers. No matter how hard they try to create tension, add villains, put the earth and the Vulcan alliance into jeopardy, they can't, because we already know the ending.

By the ST;TNG era, the Federation is a 150+ planet hegemony spread across over 40 million square light years. In the time between Enterprise and the TNC era, they've already defeated the Romulans in a space war, and by and during ST:TNG and DS9, they allied with the Klingons, defeated Cardassia, the Borg, and The Dominion. So, we already know that the Fed is founded, that it becomes the dominant organization in the alpha quadrant.

So, any attempts at action, tension, or any effort to create continuing storylines that reflect on the future all have endings that we already know.

For that reason, i think Enterprise is a monumentally bad concept, and i have a hard time making the time to watch it.
The Professor

[WillParkinson]

20. Yes!

I agree.

That's my problem with Smallville, too. I like the show but when you know how it ends it makes the journey not quite as fun.

[mouse7]

23. That sums it up. No tension from conflicts.

We know that killer plague headed toward Vulcan doesn't annihilate the Vulcan race. Spock was born two centuries later (or whatever amount of time it was)

Which leaves me the viewer nothing to do but wonder how they will work Ethan Phillips into this week's show.

ST:TOS, ST:TNG, and DS9 were alpha quadrant. Voyager was Delta quadrant. Doesn't that leave at least 2 and as many as 20 quadrants left untouched? Nobody has been to the Galactic Core.

Need something to add tension to the TNG/DS9/Voyager timeline? How about post-final episode, The Janeway from the far future contaminated Voyager and accidentally brought back back an advanced nanotech problem that wipes out food replicator technology. Make the Star Trek Universe be forced to grow and ship their crops again to all those corners of the Federation with unfriendly environments. Let the Federation worry about mass starvation and population movements for a few decades.

[NoPasaran]

21. Has something changed? Does it no longer suck?

I watched the first couple of seasons and liked it. Then they went off on some thinly-disguised 9-11 storyline and I decided that if I wanted to watch that sort of bullshit I would have a lobotomy and watch Faux News too.

[Ganja Ninja]

22. The first season sucked. The second season is a little better.

The first seasons shows could be broken down into 3 general categories.
1. Shows where a crew member is captured and has to be rescued.
2. Shows where a crew member is stranded and has to be rescued.
3. Shows where a crew member is on trial or in jail and has to be rescued.

[mouse7]

24. You forgot one

4) T'Pol is naked in a shower somewhere and needs to be rescued.

[Ganja Ninja]

26. No no those were my dreams.

[hyphenate]

25. The Xindi arc sucks

I haven't enjoyed this season much at all. I enjoyed when they were discovering new things, and it would help to explain some of the future relationships we know and love from the other seasons, why something is the way it is, etc. But this Xindi arc is tiresome, convoluted and completely irrelevant.

I dislike the time travel crap for the most part, because it implies that by TOS days it was "old hat" and it makes it seem so much a big part of the whole scheme of things. Most of the time, I love time travel, but not to the extent it's been used on Enterprise.

I stopped watching Voyager when they started to create duplicate starships and imperiled everyone on the dupe, and this past week's episode of Enterprise kind of made me wince because it reminded me of Voyager.

For the last four or five episodes, I have turned the show off halfway through each, because it was getting too schmaltzy, too egocentric or just too stupid. The last full episode I actually sat through was the one with Phlox minding the store. I'm taping them, but am getting little to no enjoyment out of them.

Trying to infuse T'Pol with emotions is another stupid move--it was the one thing which made Spock unique was his mixed heritage, and allowing the T'Pol character to degenerate through a "drug addiction" is not only ridiculous and goes against everything she's done in the past (as well as the Vulcan race) but ends up compromising the entire philosophy of the Vulcan race as we know it. If they had just allowed her to seek out some emotions but remain objective about it, I think it would have been far more interesting to see her evolve and accept some things on their own merit instead.

I have liked Trip since the beginning, but right now, his character is the most banal, unsympathetic, tiresome and whiny character I've yet met. Archer is also getting to be a bit of an ass--personally I love Scott Bakula, but Archer deserves a slap upside the head for being a prick.

They are underutilizing some of the main characters like Hoshi, Travis and even Malcolm this season. It's a shame to concentrate on the "big 3" so much, because it is creating a lopsided show. Each of these characters has its strengths, and not making full use of them is not giving us a good viewpoint of the whole time period and the place the NX-01 has in the scheme of history.

I will be glad when this season is over and the whole Xindi arc is finished--perhaps we will finally get back to the best of the world that Enterprise has to offer--giving us some historical context, allowing the crew to explore new worlds, and cementing their place in the whole Star Trek universe.

[Ratty]

27. At least they're starting to do something original

I don't like the Xindi arc either and the series still mostly sucks but I'll give them credit for originality. I thought last week's episode where they stole the warp coil from that ship was very good. The moral perspective was interesting for a change. I liked that episode, the first one in a loooong time.

At least it wasn't a rehash of previous trek plots:
- Passing through a region of space where all of the crew except for the a single crewmember who is immune must be put in suspended animation. The crewman starts going crazy and imaging people who are not there.
- The captain takes aboard a beautiful slave passenger
- The Enterprise crew experience/travel back in time to the old west
- Members of the Enterprise crew are mistakenly incarcerated on a prison planet/asteroid/space station/transport vessel
- A transporter accident turns a crew member immaterial

And I'm waiting for some these old chestnuts to make an appearance:
- An alien member of the crew prematurely enters his/her reproductive cycle and must mate immediately ... or die!
- One or more members of the crew age at an accelerated rate. But by the end of the show 23rd/24th century medicine has restored them *instantly* to their correct age.
- One or more members of the crew turn into children. But by the end of the show 23rd/24th century medicine has restored them *instantly* to their correct age.
- One of the crew inadvertantly falls in love with an opposite member of an alien species, breaking some sexual taboo or other.

And when we hear this line, we know it's all over:
- "Kiss? What is this ... kiss?" spoken innocently by a beautiful but innocent female humanoid alien (of course if this was ever said by a beautiful but innocent *male* alien it would be more interesting)

[cheezus]

28. Bad Trek -- Good action/adventure scifi show

I like it (something had to take the place of firefly on my tivo)

[Loonman]

29. Sick of the Xindi

When will the Romulans or the Klingons show up and start taking pot shots at Enterprise?