Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

BAHAHA! Van Helsing is gonna SUCK!!

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » The DU Lounge Donate to DU
 
DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 08:25 AM
Original message
BAHAHA! Van Helsing is gonna SUCK!!
There are two sure things we can predict about the steroidal "Van Helsing," the release of which unofficially opens the summer movie season today: 1) fans of Universal’s beloved movie monsters — Dracula, Frankenstein, the Wolfman — will line up around the block to see it and 2) and afterwards they’ll go after it like Simon Cowell at a middle-school rehearsal of "Guys and Dolls."

Each of the iconic characters mentioned has a central role in "Van Helsing," an act of cinematic grave-robbing every bit as stitched together and grotesque as Frankenstein’s creature.

As an esthetic experience, "Van Helsing" is a mess. It’s dark, but not in the seductively shadowy way the old Universal horror flicks were. This has that machine-like purplish tint common in expensive blockbusters, all the better to hide the clumsy special effects. The matte backdrops are awesome to look at — brooding castles above unfathomably deep rockface canyons — but again excess makes it less awe-inspiring.

Perhaps the worst assault on the senses is musical. Alan Silvestri’s score is like two Rottweilers in an elevator. It cranks up early and never relents, aggressively dive-bombing the audience and daring you not to be thrilled.


more -> http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2004/May/07/style/stories/02style.htm



This is the problem with studios today, they find a genre and abuse the shit out of it. The percieved road to money in this case is packing as many disparate monsters into a box with as many special effects as possible and giving it a kick. They seem to think that people don't care about plot or character development anymore. Sure, there's places for action, and places for slasher, but trying to pack all of the above into one just leaves a movie bloated and suffocating under its own girth.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
cleofus1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 08:29 AM
Response to Original message
1. hey you! yeah you with the rock!
don't start throwing rocks till you see the movie. i'm going to go see it today with the wife and i hope it kicks ass. but then i'm the kind of guy who can enjoy watching seven samuri and then pop in return of the living dead and have a good old time too. hey it's all good!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 08:29 AM
Response to Original message
2. What you said...
The percieved road to money in this case is packing as many disparate monsters into a box with as many special effects as possible and giving it a kick. They seem to think that people don't care about plot or character development anymore.

Replace "monsters" with "people of unusual talent" and you've got the perfect criticism of the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. Koresh, that movie sucked donkey balls. Incredible special effects, but so much that was wrong.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cleofus1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 08:36 AM
Response to Reply #2
3. the league...
was done by a group of people who should have known better. Mr. Robinson is a great comic book writer. His books: "golden age" and "leave it to chance" are exquisite. His screenplay of League was an abortion...
I don't know yet...but I'm not going to anticipate failure for Van Helsing becouse the actors involved are very good.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 08:50 AM
Response to Original message
4. I am going to see it
I think it'll suck too, and this movie has gotten horrible reviews...but...

Hildago sucked awfully - and that got good reviews.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 08:52 AM
Response to Original message
5. As a fan of Bram Stoker and vampire lit...
I have been thinking the same thing, based on the previews I've seen:

Each of the iconic characters mentioned has a central role in "Van Helsing," an act of cinematic grave-robbing every bit as stitched together and grotesque as Frankenstein’s creature.

I mean, what absurdity is this? Vampires, werewolves, harpy-like things, and god knows what else, all thrown into the same movie? Does this Dr. Van Helsing live in an alternate world where gothic monsters are commonplace? That would be a decent explanation, but somehow I doubt the screenwriter was willing to go there.

I agree, it looks pretty cool, visually, but the Monster Cocktail does not bode well for suspension of disbelief. People did movies like that in the 1960's, but those were generally comedies.

Dirk

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cleofus1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 09:01 AM
Response to Reply #5
6. bram stoker does not own the legend of the vampire
or of monsters in general...and i think your arguments would put universals "frankenstein meets the werewolf" in the sucks bigweenie catagory too.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 01:50 PM
Response to Reply #6
7. No, you're right
Stoker doesn't "own" vampires, but then again, he does "own" van Helsing, that is his character, and this film appears to take some extreme liberties with him.

Since neither of us has seen it, let's both reserve judgment; but I'm not sure you got my point. It's not about vampires or who owns the idea; it's about good film making and believability. I've never seen "Frankenstein Meets the Werewolf," but I imagine only monster movie fans think of that film as good movie making. And "van Helsing" sounds 10 times as unbelievable as FMTW does. There weren't any werewolves in Mary Shelley's novel, after all, just as there are none in "Dracula". To me, it would be the same as if someone made a film where Star War's Empire and Star Trek's Federation meet each other. It's not that it would utterly fail to make sense, it's more that it just seems forced and, well, lame.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 03:28 PM
Response to Reply #7
8. I like the Blade Runner avatar btw
now ~there's~ a good flick
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sun May 05th 2024, 03:43 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » The DU Lounge Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC