The GWBush Debate you DIDN'T see!

[Endangered Specie]

http://content.collegehumor.com/media/movies/bush-debate.wmv

site of origin:
http://www.slambush.net/index.html

[Melodybe]

1. That is fucking awesome, who is it and where can I get it.

The video uses all the Bush furious looks from debate 1. It is a great song too, thanks for posting ES.

[Endangered Specie]

2. This is the site of origin...

http://www.slambush.net/index.html

[Melodybe]

3. It is so good, everybody should watch this.

[bling bling]

4. My prediction

The younger generation and minority groups are going to save us all from Bush.

Hip hop artists have been all over the radio airwaves, on tv (MTV, VH1) for months slamming Bush. The Republicans are gonna be stunned when they wake up on November 3rd to find out they were "fired" by the very people they disenfranchised in the last election. Sweet justice will be here soon.

[RaleighNCDUer]

5. Love it!

[goclark]

6. Gangsta GW from the Hood

Should like this rap.

He probably can understand every word of it. LOL
It'r really cool and I hope everyone of the young people rap all the way to the polls on Nov. 2nd.

[Droopy]

7. Most excellent!

I'd listen to rap more if they were talking like that all the time.

[saracat]

8. Watch me be flamed for this, but I don't like it.

I can't understand a word he says, and I think * looks way too nice. He looks mildly amused asif he is enjoying it. For the record, I think rap is not music. It is bad ryme set to rythem. And this one is really bad. JMHO. But if it gets the youth vote ,go for it. I just find it talentless!

[sofa king]

9. Uh...

No. Never mind.

[bbernardini]

10. Last time I checked, rhythm was one of the fundamental elements of music.

In most cases, it's not just a matter of somebody hitting a button on a drum machine. The background tracks have many elements and layers that are arranged much in the same way as an orchestra might be arranged. As Merriam-Webster puts it:

"the science or art of ordering tones or sounds in succession, in combination, and in temporal relationships to produce a composition having unity and continuity"

Rap fits that definition perfectly.

[LWolf]

12. Yes, it does.

Rap is legitimate music.

I don't like much rap. I like most music, but most rap irritates me. I recognize it as a legitimate art form. I don't have a problem with people who do; it's just that we aren't all moved by the same music. I'm not moved by Barry Manilow, either. (I had to listen to him singing a few songs on some morning news/talk show playing in the hospital waiting room this week).

I don't like it because:

I don't like the connections to gangs, and I don't like the history of and predominance of what I consider to be hate lyrics. I don't think we should be glorifying gang activities. You don't need to tell me that not all lyrics are hateful; I know that. Too much is, and that is what I "feel" when I hear it, even when the lyrics are positive.

I don't like the way the spoken words are generally unintelligible, and I don't like the use of slang, bad grammar, etc... it's the elementary school teacher in me.

I don't like the body language. The use of psuedo-or real- gang signals, etc..

I don't like the "in your face" attitude. There is something demanding about it that offends me. I think it's disrespectful to blast your stuff outside the confines of your home or car. It's common courtesy to make sure you aren't inflicting your music on the general public. So I don't like hearing it from some car 3 blocks away. (While I think Mariachi music is ok, I also don't appreciate having it blasted into my house until 1:00 am every Saturday night by neighbors down the block. That's about respect and courtesy, more than the art form.)

That said, if the guy had enunciated clearly, I probably would have enjoyed this one, for the lyrics alone. I just needed to understand more than 50% of the words!

[saracat]

14. My Webster's has the primary definition

of music as "the art of combining tones to form expressive compositions'. It also refers to"rhythmic sequence of pleasing sounds". I don't feel that rap fits either of those as it involves (usually, not always) only rhythm. Nor to I consider a mere rythmic drum role "music" . There are no tones. There is no "melody line". I consider a melody line primary for a piece to be considered music. Even you state that "rhythm is "one of the fundamental elements of music. " It is not the only element of music. BTW. I said I would be flamed, didn't I ? Grin!

[bbernardini]

16. Take it from a music teacher...

If it has rhythm, it's music. "Pleasing" is a very vague term that can't be easily applied. Technically, the rising and falling tones of the spoken word can qualify as a "melody". Every music text I've ever reviewed or use says as much.

Are you defining "tones" as only those notes with a definite pitch?

[saracat]

17. I agree "pleasing "is subjective But I don't believe .

that rhythm and tone are the same thing. You might argue that the spoken poetry( which term I use loosely) of the rap lyrics, could fit into the above definition of "tone". And perhaps you might define that as pitch. But all of this is a stretch. And I think it is an even bigger stretch to call the incoherent ,unenunciated accompaniment to repetitive rhythmic banging music. But that is only my opinion. Others will think what they like. I just have no respect for what I perceive as a lack of talent masquerading as a new musical form. Junk is junk.

[bbernardini]

18. By your definition, "Louie Louie" isn't music.

"And I think it is an even bigger stretch to call the incoherent ,unenunciated accompaniment to repetitive rhythmic banging music."

Describes "Louie Louie" perfectly. :)

[saracat]

19. Good point. It might not be.

If it is it is certainly not great music! However just as with rap, there are some people who will have fun with it. I just don't like either one! LOL! For the record, I used to work for the Hart School of Music and Opera gives me a headache . I recognize that it is great music, But it literally gives me migraines and I don't care for most of it. LOL!

[Terran]

13. If you couldn't understand a word he was saying

then you weren't even trying to.

[saracat]

15. If I have to try , then he is not doing his job. It is an artist's duty to

communicate and in the case of song lyrics it means ennunciate. If you can't enunciate you have no business being a performer. JMHO.

[Misunderestimator]

11. Oh MAN! That is great!

:thumbsup: