The good news about the bad news this weekend...

[TreasonousBastard]

is that confirmation hearings, snow, Johnny Carson...

meant that there was not ONE WORD about Donald Trump's wedding.

[Rhiannon12866]

1. It's all bad news

I am socked in by snow, the confirmation hearings boggle the mind, since who would approve "the torture guy" and the one who ignored the bin Laden memos, and I just loved Johnny Carson. Who didn't? And who cares about Donald Trump and why would anybody marry him?:shrug:

[Skittles]

2. honestly, I did not love Carson

I've been mum but you asked. I thought he was cocky and smarmy and I did not care for him one bit.

[Rhiannon12866]

3. Really?!

I thought that he was always funny, and generous to other performers, and I particularly liked it when he brought on guests with animals. He enjoyed them, but also made it entertaining. I do ask, since I just don't see how you couldn't like Johnny Carson. But I promise you that I won't be offended if you want to speak your mind. It's not like he was my dad or granddad, I just really liked him.:shrug:

[Skittles]

4. yes really

I will give you an example. When Joan Rivers told him she was gonna go try her own show Johnny did not support her decision and did not speak to her for many years - even when Joan's husband committed suicide she did not hear from him. He was an asshole.

[Tony_Illinois]

7. That is not exactly correct--the situation as I read it is that

Johnny was never told about Joan's negotiations to get her own show by her. In fact, he has said that he learned of her show only when Fox announced it publicly. If Joan had told him about it herself, Johnny has said he would have congratulated and supported her. His beef was with learning of the show through the media. Johnny Carson had always been very generous to Joan--even selecting her as a permanent guest host at one time.

[Skittles]

11. he has a beef with her and doesn't call when her husband commits suicide

"ASSHOLE".

No doubt Joan didn't CONFER with him because she knew how he would react. No one went up against Johnny because they knew their career would be destroyed. I know I'm not the only one who saw him as a big condescending asshole.

[Tony_Illinois]

12. I'm not his PR man or anything--just repeating what I've read.

[RadicalMom]

16. Well, I know someone who worked for Rivers before her husband

died. She had told me long before he died that Joan HATED her husband, and that she had very litle to do with him. All the jokes she used to make about him were not exactly made with kindly intentions. My friend and some others did not call her because they felt it was too awkward, not knowing exactly what to say, given the crcumstances of her feelings about him, combined with his death being a suicide.

[Rhiannon12866]

15. You're exactly right. That's what happened

He supported many others in their own endeavors, like Dick Cavett, who was on-air opposite to his show, but he'd call with advice, Charles Grodin, who he took to dinner before his first cable show, and David Letterman, who he supported, appeared on his show, in his last TV appearance, and still sent him jokes. Joan handled it badly and could have avoided her troubles with Johnny, if she'd just given him a heads-up. You're right.:shrug:

[Rhiannon12866]

13. Ah! I have also heard another take on this

He would have been okay with it, and supported her as he did so many others in their own endeavors, like Letterman, Dick Cavett, Charles Grodin, even Ed McMahon, but she failed to give him a heads up on this. If she had, he would have supported her. But, if I recall correctly, that show on FOX, which I was writing about at the time, lasted about two minutes, as long as Chevy Chase's late-night show. Joan should have stuck with Carson. And Johnny and Chevy Chase remained personal friends, so he must have told him ahead of time. He never spoke to Joan, again. Sad.:shrug:

[B Calm]

5. Anybody remember who did the Tonight Show before Johnny?

[B Calm]

6. I want to say Jack Parr????

[Tony_Illinois]

8. Yes--it was Jack Parr, and Steve Allen prior to Jack.

[Rhiannon12866]

14. Jack Parr, and, before that, Steve Allen

I don't remember them, LOL, but I do know TV history. I used to write about TV, so know more than my share of useless facts.:shrug:

[DebJ]

9. I saw Trump's wedding mentioned about 5 times, just surfing.

Seeing the story made me push channel up!

[Rabrrrrrr]

10. Good point!! I didn't see anything about Trump's wedding until this mornin

How wonderful is that, to have escaped it?

Woo hoo!!

Not that I don't like Trump - I actually do like him - but I hate huge ass media celebrity wedding worship bullshit.

I saw some pictures from this wedding - his wife looks like a real jerk. The way she was mugging for the cameras, trying to look, I don't know. suave and pooched out or something - it was awful.