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achtung_circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 10:57 PM
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Why are there 10 Commandments?
Is it because we were a base 10 numerical system, based on (most of us) having 10 fingers?

Now that we are supposedly "digital" should we have 2 commandments?

If so, which two?

How about additions? Do the Beatitudes qualify?

My Nana beat into my head "to thine own self be true, and it shall follow as the night the day thou canst be false to no man". I think that qualifies as a potential addition.

How about "love thy neighbour as thyself"?

I'm interested. Please add freely to the "X" commandments.
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theorist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 11:00 PM
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1. I'm pretty sure it's an arbitrary partitioning of that section of Exodus.
There's bound to be some bible historians on here who can expound on this.

As for additions, I don't know.... Should a values system be boiled down to an arbitrary number of rules? I don't think I could enumerate my own personal morality.
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Glenda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 11:00 PM
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2. Are you talking about amendments to the commandments? n/t
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achtung_circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 11:02 PM
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4. Sure,
additions and deletions all examined for the public good.

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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 11:01 PM
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3. Because Moses dropped one of the three tablets
otherwise, there would have been 15.
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achtung_circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 11:02 PM
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5. LOL
I saw that movie, too.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 11:05 PM
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6. Your last option is how Jesus summed them up
When he was asked, he said that the summation of the law is "Love the LORD your God with all your mind, and all your strength, and all your soul, and love your neighbor as yourself."

And then he said "it is on that, that all the prophets hang" (or something like that - and not meaning "hang" as a form of execution)

And after he said that, someone asked him, "So who is my neighbor?" and Jesus replied with the good Samaritan parable, which is to say, "Your neighbor is the person you hate the most."
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 11:07 PM
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7. Because Moses broke the tablet with the 11th-15th Commandments...
Edited on Tue Feb-01-05 11:08 PM by truebrit71
..didn't you see History Of The World Part I??...Mel Brooks explained everything...

;-)
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DieboldMustDie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 11:09 PM
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8. "YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART,...
AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND." This is the great and foremost commandment. The second is like it, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF." On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.

Matthew 22:37-40

http://unbound.biola.edu/index.cfm?method=searchResults.doSearch¶llellist=nasb,,,,,,,,&displaylist=1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1&search=love%20AND%20neighbor&book=40N&from_chap=22&hide_context=1
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 11:14 PM
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10. Yeah, I always tried to understand why there was anything
beyond these two. It seems that if one follows the first two, none of the others are even necessary. The problem is that most people are busy worshipping false gods that allow them to do a lot of what they want to do anyway. They probably added the others to delineate the "rules", but as you can see, it hasn't worked too well.
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achtung_circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 11:38 PM
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15. good binary response nt.
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NV Whino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 11:11 PM
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9. Moses only had 10 fingers...
and since he was holding those damned tablet, he couldn't get to his toes?
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Mr. Blonde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 11:14 PM
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11. George Carlin had this to say
Here is my problem with the ten commandments- why exactly are there 10?

You simply do not need ten. The list of ten commandments was artificially and deliberately inflated to get it up to ten. Here's what happened:

About 5,000 years ago a bunch of religious and political hustlers got together to try to figure out how to control people and keep them in line. They knew people were basically stupid and would believe anything they were told, so they announced that God had given them some commandments, up on a mountain, when no one was around.

Well let me ask you this- when they were making this shit up, why did they pick 10? Why not 9 or 11? I'll tell you why- because 10 sound official. Ten sounds important! Ten is the basis for the decimal system, it's a decade, it's a psychologically satisfying number (the top ten, the ten most wanted, the ten best dressed). So having ten commandments was really a marketing decision! It is clearly a bullshit list. It's a political document artificially inflated to sell better. I will now show you how you can reduce the number of commandments and come up with a list that's a little more workable and logical. I am going to use the Roman Catholic version because those were the ones I was taught as a little boy.

Let's start with the first three:

I AM THE LORD THY GOD THOU SHALT NOT HAVE STRANGE GODS BEFORE ME

THOU SHALT NOT TAKE THE NAME OF THE LORD THY GOD IN VAIN

THOU SHALT KEEP HOLY THE SABBATH

Right off the bat the first three are pure bullshit. Sabbath day? Lord's name? strange gods? Spooky language! Designed to scare and control primitive people. In no way does superstitious nonsense like this apply to the lives of intelligent civilized humans in the 21st century. So now we're down to 7. Next:

HONOR THY FATHER AND MOTHER

Obedience, respect for authority. Just another name for controlling people. The truth is that obedience and respect shouldn't be automatic. They should be earned and based on the parent's performance. Some parents deserve respect, but most of them don't, period. You're down to six.

Now in the interest of logic, something religion is very uncomfortable with, we're going to jump around the list a little bit.

THOU SHALT NOT STEAL

THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS

Stealing and lying. Well actually, these two both prohibit the same kind of behavior- dishonesty. So you don't really need two you combine them and call the commandment "thou shalt not be dishonest". And suddenly you're down to 5.

And as long as we're combining I have two others that belong together:

THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTRY

THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBOR'S WIFE

Once again, these two prohibit the same type of behavior. In this case it is marital infidelity. The difference is- coveting takes place in the mind. But I don't think you should outlaw fantasizing about someone else's wife because what is a guy gonna think about when he's waxing his carrot? But, marital infidelity is a good idea so we're gonna keep this one and call it "thou shalt not be unfaithful". And suddenly we're down to four.

But when you think about it, honesty and infidelity are really part of the same overall value so, in truth, you could combine the two honesty commandments with the two fidelity commandments and give them simpler language, positive language instead of negative language and call the whole thing "thou shalt always be honest and faithful" and we're down to 3.

THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBOR"S GOODS

This one is just plain fuckin' stupid. Coveting your neighbor's goods is what keeps the economy going! Your neighbor gets a vibrator that plays "o come o ye faithful", and you want one too! Coveting creates jobs, so leave it alone. You throw out coveting and you're down to 2 now- the big honesty and fidelity commandment and the one we haven't talked about yet:

THOU SHALT NOT KILL

Murder. But when you think about it, religion has never really had a big problem with murder. More people have been killed in the name of god than for any other reason. All you have to do is look at Northern Ireland, Cashmire, the Inquisition, the Crusades, and the World Trade Center to see how seriously the religious folks take thou shalt not kill. The more devout they are, the more they see murder as being negotiable. It depends on who's doin the killin' and who's gettin' killed. So, with all of this in mind, I give you my revised list of the two commandments:

Thou shalt always be honest and faithful to the provider of thy nookie.

&

Thou shalt try real hard not to kill anyone, unless of course they pray to a different invisible man than you.

Two is all you need; Moses could have carried them down the hill in his fuckin' pocket. I wouldn't mind those folks in Alabama posting them on the courthouse wall, as long as they provided one additional commandment:

Thou shalt keep thy religion to thyself.

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ashmanonar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 11:21 PM
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12. fuckin a yea!
carlin is great. and quite wise. i guess all the cocaine hasn't hurt him...O.o

but honestly, he sees stuff way more clearly than anyone who is in actual authority.

i think the 3rd commandment is the most important...that would preclude every other commandment.
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FM Arouet666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 12:34 AM
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17. If by some strange twist god does exist. Let it be Carlin. n/t
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Dukkha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 11:23 PM
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13. Moses dropped the other plaque
with commandments 11-15

too bad because they were:

Thou shall not commit wars in my name
Thou shall not pursue monetary wealth
Thou shall not lie in my name
Thou shall not deny liberties to any of my people
Thou shall respect the earth and you would yourself

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WMliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 11:26 PM
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14. because mel brooks dropped the tablet with Commandments 11-15 on it.
I have 15 **CRASH** .... 10!!! 10 Commandments!!
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Shopaholic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 11:46 PM
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16. One of my all-time favorite scenes out of a Mel Brooks film
cracks me up every single time!
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