Who is up for a DU True Crime group?

[XanaDUer]

Here are some others who expressed interest to me:

flamingyouth

Bunny

johnnie

The Great Escape

mitchum

windy

Anyone else?

[Bunny]

1. I'm in.

I'll second the motion.

[XanaDUer]

2. If you know any other DUers

who might be, let them know about this. :)

[Fenris]

3. Oooh definitely!

Count me in.:hi:

[XanaDUer]

4. Kick

...

[Lady Freedom]

5. ohhhh cool

[JimmyJazz]

6. oh - an interest of mine for sure

count me in!

[XanaDUer]

7. I think we have 10

I am going nuts here with busy-ness.

WHo can help with the manifesto or whatever it's called?

We want to have a group to discuss classic and breaking true crime cases?
Anything else?

[JimmyJazz]

8. the mission statement - and I've never been very good at

writing them - can we use one of the other ones as a boiler plate?

[Bunny]

9. I'm no good at this either.

I think we should steal one from another group! :D

Maybe we should say that we want to discuss current and older true crime cases. Maybe a caveat that on cases which aren't yet adjudicated, we presume the innocence of the accused?

On edit: can we add that we do not want people coming in to post "who cares?" type posts when we're discussing the crime du jour? Obviously we care, and there is nothing wrong with being interested in these things. I saw a lot of that when Scott Peterson was being tried. Someone would post something, and inevitably someone else would show up and say "Who cares?" I find that sort of thing pretty annoying.


:shrug:

[XanaDUer]

15. I don't think they would be allowed to do that

in a forum specifically for TC (true crime).

I don't want to see that myself, since there are forums here about things I could not give a monkey's about but would never be rude enough to post in.

[JimmyJazz]

33. I'm confused - I just meant to look at one or two as an example to

see what others have written.

[XanaDUer]

39. See my post #19

that is the MS I have submitted to ATA.

[XanaDUer]

10. Where are they?

Yeah, whatever is easiest for us.

[Bunny]

12. Here are a few outright plagiarisms lifted from the DU Groups:

1. The mission of the DU American History Group is to discuss and debate American history in the pursuit of enjoyment and knowledge for all DUers.

2. Although anyone is welcome to participate, the DU Atheists and Agnostics Group is a place where atheists and agnostics can engage in frank discussions about the effects of religion on politics, free of debate about the existence of a deity or deities. In this forum it is inappropriate to belittle those with religious beliefs or to engage in demeaning or hateful speech toward members of DU who may hold such beliefs. Those who do believe in a deity should be aware that the underlying assumption for discussions in this Group is that either "god" does not exist or that the existence of "god" is in doubt. If you are offended by such notions, you probably should not participate in this Group

3. The mission of the DU Classic Films Group is to discuss, evaluate, and increase awareness of these films, including the outstanding talent of actors, directors and the grand studios that produced them; their reflection of/impact on American culture; preservation efforts; and notices of new releases and TV broadcasts.

[XanaDUer]

19. How is this?

1. The mission of the DU True Crime Group is to discuss, evaluate, and debate national and international true crimes. The bulk of discussion will be on murder cases, solved and unsolved, new (BTK Killer) and "classic" cases ('Who was Jack the Ripper?').

2. Although anyone is welcome to participate, the DU True Crime group is a place where True Crime aficionados can engage in frank discussions and evaluations about true crime, free of debate about the importance of crime and sensational murder cases in the context of other current events. In this forum it is inappropriate to belittle those who are interested in true crimes or to engage in demeaning or hateful speech toward members of DU who may hold such an interest. If you are offended by such interests as True Crime, you probably should not participate in this Group.

3. The DU True Crime forum would also like to discuss books about true crime, TV shows about true crime, documentaries, and web sites, et al, about true crimes.

4. We will presume the innocence of any current suspect who has not yet been given a trial or verdict.


OKAY GUYS, ANYTHING TO ADD OR SUBTRACT?

[Bunny]

21. That looks real good!

Please ignore my post below. I think yours is much better, and I hope the other Groups won't mind us borrowing from their statements!

[XanaDUer]

23. Thanks , but you added the important #4

:)

I also don't want posts like, "How can you be interested in the XYZ case when ABC is more important?"

You know what I mean.

[Bunny]

25. Yeah I know what you mean.

When Peterson was being tried, someone would always interrupt the discussion by saying that it was a media distraction, if she wasn't white and pretty no one would care, how can you be interested in this when we're killing Iraqis, etc.

All valid points, but I am able to multi-task. I can care about all of the above, at the same time!

I officially move that we adopt your statement as written and submit it to the admins for their approval.

Anyone else want to second my motion?

[flamingyouth]

24. I like this

Very good :thumbsup:

[livetohike]

11. Count me in too!

It's my passion :-). Well, that and hiking and my dogs.

[XanaDUer]

13. So far:

Me (XanaDUer)
Bunny
Flamingyouth
Fenris
Lady Freedom
Live to hike
mitchum
Windy
Johnnie
The Great Escape
Jimmy Jazz
Not giving up
Faye
Gizmo 1979

ON EDIT:

3. In that thread, members must agree on a proposed mission statement for the DU Group. (now we have to do #3)

4. When enough members have signed on to join the group and have agreed on a proposed mission statement, one member must officially suggest the DU Group to a DU Administrator (Skinner, EarlG, or Elad), either by contacting them directly, or by posting in the Ask the Administrators Forum. Please be sure to include a link to the thread where members have discussed the proposed Group.

[Not_Giving_Up]

14. I'm in!

Count me! Count me!!

[flamingyouth]

16. Boring, pedestrian mission statement idea:

The mission of the DU True Crime group is to discuss true crime, cold cases and unsolved murders.

I think we might need to add to it, but I can't think of anything else to say. :shrug:

[Bunny]

20. Good start! I came up with this - please add or subtract:

The DU True Crimes Group will discuss current and past true crime cases. We believe there is value in exploring these cases, and that much can be learned about the nature of crimes by studying those who commit them.

We will presume the innocence of any current suspect who has not yet been given a trial or verdict.

This is intended to be a positive place for members to
discuss these issues. If you don't believe these issues have any value, you probably should avoid posting here.

[XanaDUer]

22. Bunny, see my post #19.

...

[livetohike]

27. Good statement

My brain isn't working this afternoon. Good job on this. Thanks.

[Bunny]

29. See post #19. I think that's our winner! n/t

[livetohike]

44. Okay great!

Thanks! :-)

[XanaDUer]

37. You're welcome.

:)

[New Earth]

17. will this forum be like an investigative kind of deal?

just gathering info/discussing certain crimes, investigations, unsolved mysteries, etc? if so, i'm in!!!

[XanaDUer]

18. Yes

I guess discussing old classic cases (Zodiac, J the R, etc)

and breaking cases, (like BTK).

We could also discuss good and bad TC books.

I know there is a NF book forum, but this would specifically be for TC books, movies, etc.

[gizmo1979]

26. that sounds good to me!

I love all the true crimes shows.

[XanaDUer]

32. Gizmo

I think you gotta have a star to post in the forums?

Does anyone else know?

[gizmo1979]

52. even here we have to divide people

between the haves and the have nots. I didn't know about the star thing until two days ago.

[XanaDUer]

54. Well, I'm not 100% sure of that policy.

Let me see what I can find out.

[XanaDUer]

55. Looks like it's true...

3. In order to post in a DU Group, a member must agree with that group's mission statement. Off-topic postings that violate the mission statement of a DU Group are not permitted. Members who disagree with the mission statement of a particular group may be blocked from posting in that group.

4. Only members with a DU Donor star next to their username may post messages in the DU Groups. Non-donors and non-registered lurkers are permitted to read DU Groups, but they are blocked from posting in them.

:(

[XanaDUer]

28. OKAY-I HAVE POSTED OUR REQUEST IN ATA.

...

[Bunny]

30. Thanks!

:thumbsup:

[XanaDUer]

31. Oh crap! Do at least 10 of us have stars?

:(

[Bunny]

34. I count eight in this thread.

Let's go back to that other one and see if some of the other folks have stars. Also, can you post a link to this thread in your ATA post?

[XanaDUer]

36. Johnnie has a star

I just PMed him/her.

Mitchum has one, too.

[Bunny]

38. Okay, good.

flamingyouth may be able to help too.

[XanaDUer]

40. Done.

and here is the ATA requesting post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=120&topic_id=30617#

[flamingyouth]

35. If we don't have enough donors, let me know n/t

[montana_hazeleyes]

41. I'm definitely in

I've been a true crime buff for over 25 years and have a vast true crime book collection.

[XanaDUer]

42. Thanks and i just added your name to the request thread in ATA

and you have a star!

I think we're covered.

[OKNancy]

43. I saw your post in ATA

I'm in too. I used to read true-crime books like a maniac. Anne Rule and Darcy O'Brien and all those. I pretty much gave it up in 2001 when I joined DU - LOL. I also gave up posting to alt.true-crime
I was a long time poster there from about 1994 to 2000 or so. It got too weird.
Anyone else post there?

[XanaDUer]

46. No, but I have read stuff on that NG.

Yeah, too weird, even for me.

[XanaDUer]

45. ATTENTION!

Looks like the admins are giving us the go-ahead for our new forum.

They want to know if our mission statement is as we want it to be.

Is it?

[flamingyouth]

47. I think you wrote a great one

Thanks :hi:

[Bunny]

48. Yes! The mission statement is fine with me! n/t

[montana_hazeleyes]

50. Yes , I agree

[Blue Gardener]

49. I might pop in now and then

I've read every book written by Ann Rule, except for her one on the Green River Killer. I'm waiting for it to come out in paperback.

[montana_hazeleyes]

51. I have read every

book by Ann Rule also except her novel. I'm reading her two latest hard covers now and also her latest crime files. I think she is the best true crime writer we have today.

[XanaDUer]

53. SUNDAY UPDATE:

elad wants me to PM him tomorrow to remind him!

:bounce:

I'm looking forward to this!

Thanks everyone.

[u4ic]

56. Count me in!!

[ralps]

57. I would also be interested in posting to this group.

One of my favorite shows is "Cold Case Files" on A&E.
:hi:

[CanuckAmok]

58. Sounds cool...can we study "Pee Wee Gaskins"? He's the embodiment of....

...amorality. Absolutey no conscience whatsoever:

http://www.geocities.com/verbal_plainfield/a-h/gaskins.html