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LilKim Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 09:33 PM
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Everytime I hear a Brit talk about their 'proper' English I feel like
Edited on Sun Mar-13-05 09:36 PM by LilKim
smashing their skull in.

I suppose I shouldn't have had that second cup of coffee.
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 09:36 PM
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1. That would be "skull" in proper English
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 09:37 PM
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2. You want to sink their boat?

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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 09:37 PM
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3. I know a fast way to get rid of people like that.
Start speaking with a REALLY BAD British accent. No, I mean horrifically bad.

They'll run.

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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 09:38 PM
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5. I've tried it on my mum
doesn't work; she just says STOP TAKING THE MICKEY OUT OF ME :o
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 09:39 PM
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6. Bloody 'ell
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:20 AM
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27. And as they start to run say "cheerio"
They love that (sarcasm off)
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 09:38 PM
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4. Now now, LilKim,
easy does it. After all, they were speaking English long before we were, now weren't they?

;-)
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qnr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 09:40 PM
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7. Just tell them since they're talking to you here, they should be speaking
Edited on Sun Mar-13-05 09:40 PM by qnr
proper American English.

Edit: typo
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 09:40 PM
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8. I just think...
.... that they desparately need a jolly good rogering :)
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FuzzySlippers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 09:45 PM
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9. Well, who doesn't?
:P
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Huckebein the Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 10:22 PM
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13. Don't we all ?
:evilgrin:
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NV Whino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 09:50 PM
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10. If you want to hear what proper English sounds like,
track down and watch Elizabeth R starring Glenda Jackson.

This is not the so-called upper crust Brit Speak. This is English as it was meant to be spoken.

Elizabeth R was PBS production somewhere in the mid 70s. My library has all 9 (I think) episodes on VHS, but I bet it's available on DVD.
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imenja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 10:06 PM
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11. they are full of themselves
Edited on Sun Mar-13-05 10:07 PM by imenja
and resentful because the sun has set on their empire. I really pissed of an English punk (this was in the 80s, in London no less) one time when I told him that no one would even notice their little island if another World War broke out. It wasn't a nice thing to say, but he was really getting on my nerves with his ethnocentric comments. This, of course, while he was in the process of trying to put the moves on me with my boyfriend in the next room.

I'll save my other stories about egotistical Englishmen for another post.
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moggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 11:59 AM
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29. Most of us don't care about the empire any more
You'll still hear some of the elderly lamenting its demise, and of course it's a sore point with some of the far right, but, honestly, I don't know anyone over here who loses much sleep over it. Anyway, letting you guys rule the world now is so entertaining!
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mr blur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 01:15 PM
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32. True, nobody gives a fuck about the empire.
Good luck with building yours, though, although it doesn't seem to be going too well. Perhaps you need a King with a brain (although the lack of one never seemed to slow us down). The thing about having had an empire is that it's the history of our country growing up, getting too big for its boots, getting out of control, accepting the inevitable and living with/learning from its mistakes. Sad to watch the US embarking on a similar journey and making the same mistakes; first stage - the people to whom you bring feeedom and "civilisation" will hate you.
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imenja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 01:50 PM
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33. considering we do such a lousy job of it
and I sure wish we weren't the big bully of the world. I often think what it would be like to be from a nice friendly country like Canada.
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Moms Baby Democrat Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 10:20 PM
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12. Aweyanbileyerheid! n/t
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 10:24 PM
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15. Arrrrrr!
Sounds like ye talkin' pirate!
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Moms Baby Democrat Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 10:30 PM
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16. Silly Ronny, Pirates are for The Carribean
It's glaswegian for what it's worth
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RevolutionaryActs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 10:23 PM
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14. I like they way they talk.
And they were speaking English first. :shrug:
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tjwmason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 05:47 AM
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17. I better go and hide then....
Being honest, most English people massacre the language totally so we can hardly bitch about you chaps.
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asthmaticeog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 08:00 AM
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18. I was just going to post something about
the utter incomprehensibility of cockney rhyming slang. I certainly have moments when I'll indulge in some head-scratcher syntax, but that shit's just off the map.
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TyeDye75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 08:26 AM
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21. Your avin a turkish aint ya?
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tjwmason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 09:58 AM
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25. Many linguists think that it was invented as a criminal code
And therefore is designed to be incomprehensible - at least to those who have not learned it.
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Bertha Venation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 08:07 AM
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19. Must just be your particular Brit, lilKim.
I have lots of English friends and have never heard one of them say anything like that. :shrug:

But here... have a nice cuppa decaf. :donut: :hi:
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TyeDye75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 08:25 AM
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20. I love the differences between American English
Edited on Mon Mar-14-05 08:27 AM by TyeDye75
and English English.

It causes all kinds of comical mix ups.

Imagine the look on my face when an American man walked up to me at Heathrow and asked if he could...."bum a fag"

Have I gone too far?

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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 08:27 AM
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22. Heh, that just makes me want to talk in a 'proper' English accent
just so I can smash ~your~ skull in, instead :eyes:
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JimmyJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 08:31 AM
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23. What is your point?
There are a lot of British people who post here - why are you being deliberately offensive to an entire group of people?

Maybe you shouldn't have had that second cup.
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William Bloode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 08:34 AM
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24. I enjoy my trips to the UK,
And yes my hillybilly english has often been the butt of a joke or two. It's in good fun though, and not really serious. The interesting part is my observations in the UK have shown me they have as many dialects and accents as we do in the US.
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Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 11:49 AM
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28. Hmm...
"Hillbilly" English (i.e., what's occasionally called Appalachian Scots-Irish, etc.) is probably the closest to Shakespearean English in pronunciation, tone, etc., of any other form of the language. Like a lot of English variants, it sort of arrived in the colonies in the 17th century and existed in isolation for generations afterward.

BTW, I'm part Japanese-American... "American" Japanese as spoken by Nisei (and an embarrassingly small proportion of Sanei) is quite weird to Japanese ears--sort of an early 20th-century lingo.

:hi:
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:04 AM
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26. Bloody Hell
Edited on Mon Mar-14-05 10:04 AM by fujiyama
You sound like a rowdy fellow. Are you some sort of hooligan or something.

You must be a crazy American driving a big lorry. How dare you criticise the spelling of our words!

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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 12:04 PM
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30. Hah!
I was married to a British bloke for a number of years (ended disastrously, but that's another story). He was in the RAF, and let me say that my English was closer to the Queen's English than his or his friends. They were all from Manchester or Blackpool (Northern England). They joked that my English was poor (I've heard it all!), but, at the end of the day, my New Jersey English was much closer to the proper English English than any of the slang ridden colloquialisms that they spoke! :)

They're just ribbing ya! Having lived overseas, I know that they like to tease their "younger and more crude cousins" about their ways!
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Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 01:10 PM
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31. Mancunian English is strange, all right.
I was talking to a lady from Manchester once and honestly couldn't understand what she was saying; seems like she was swallowing half the syllables or something: "Um f'm Munch's'ta; uts un da nofe uv Ungl'nd...", more or less. I nodded a lot...
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moggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 05:14 PM
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35. That works both ways
I sometimes need to use subtitles for American films. This is true for pretty much anything with Nicolas Cage, for example.
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Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:57 PM
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37. Heh heh...
You don't have to be a Brit to say that!
:evilgrin:
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 02:16 PM
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34. I'll hand this to the Brits, though
They're better at playing with language and thinking up interesting ways to say things than the average American is. I'm especially conscious of this since I just happen to know a lot of English expatriates at present.

I also see this in the television programming that makes it over here. Series such as Jonathan Creek, The Office, Waking the Dead, and even MI-5 are written by people with clever, subtle verbal skills.

A closer case in point: EarlG, who is an English expatriate and who writes a hilarious edition of the Top Ten Conservative Idiots every week.

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Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:58 PM
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38. I'll be damned!
I did not know that! Rule Britannia and thanx for EarlG!
:toast:
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Vladimir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 05:22 PM
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36. I can't stand a 'proper' British accent either
but the regional drawls are fucking excellent. Gimme geordie or cockney or scouse any day of the week...
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LilKim Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 11:35 PM
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39. The accent has nothing to do with it
It's being told you don't know what the last letter of the alphabet is.
It's being told you don't know what metal a coke or beer can is made out of.
It's being told you don't know how to pronounce controversy or schedule.
And after 9/11 it's having your spelling corrected to World Trade Centre.

And so on.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 11:59 PM
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41. Well...
Differences in pronunciation are generally due to dialect...there are quite a few regional dialects in both the US and UK where pronunciation of some words differs quite markedly from the "standard". And American English has been evolving independently for over two centuries, which leads to quite a few differences. Some of them are kind of idiosyncratic; American English is pretty much the only Germanic language where the final letter of the alphabet ISN'T pronounced "zed" or something close to it ("tsett" in German, for instance).

Just tell him that he's a stupid git, that his comments are as idiotic as someone from Berlin telling someone from Zurich they don't speak proper German, and that he can stuff his linguistic superiority up his arse.
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Susang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 11:42 PM
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40. So I guess you didn't bother to read this bestseller
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