Did Sinead O'Connor piss you off when she ripped up the Pope's picture

[CatWoman]

on SNL?

My first reaction was, what's her problem"?

[Sandpiper]

1. Not really

I'm not Catholic.

But I figured they'd be upset about it.

[CatWoman]

3. neither am I

but I viewed it as highly disrepectful.

[TrustingDog]

56. what if someone did that to a Bush pic now?

would that be disrespectful? to some, yes. to do it, to have the stones to do it, is something to respect of the person, the Bloody Nerve! should be available to all, not just the puppet masters. that's how I look at it.

[Dookus]

2. nope...

didn't particularly bother me.

[Sandpiper]

8. And why not?

;)

[Dookus]

14. Because he's a political figure

and an arch-conservative one, at that. Such people should be opposed.

[Sandpiper]

16. I figured it was because he's a flaming homophobe

n/t

[Dookus]

27. well yeah,

that too. But I consider that a political position.

[mr_hat]

4. Pretty gratuitous, I thought.

[Squeech]

No, even before

when she started to sing without a smidgen of pitch control

[tridim]

5. Not really.

It's a free country. Well, it used to be at least.

[CanuckAmok]

6. I was already pissed off at her well before that.

Like the first time I heard her sing. AAAAUUUGH!

[TrustingDog]

54. she's got a great voice, but that's not only my opinion.

[tuvor]

7. Not at all.

In fact I was surprised to read about the uproar in the paper the next day.

[jonnyblitz]

not at all. I like the pope as much as I like Bush nt

[Amfortas]

9. why should this bother anyone ?

the pope's a public figure ... and it's a free country.

[arcos]

10. no, I was very young...

but I would have been cheering...

[JimmyJazz]

11. I didn't like it, but I respected her explanation as to why she did it.

[Wickerman]

12. I was pretty pleased, actually

It was a dumb, petty and pointless gesture that even at the moment you could, as I did, turn to your spouse and say - well, she just ended her career. I never liked her style and pretention and while I found myself in agreement with many of her political views I despised the way she conducted herself - I thought she brought discredit to those issues.

[Amaya]

13. Nope

[RandomKoolzip]

15. No, it was pretty damn obvious that she was a no-talent hack

who relied more on image, persona, and media manipulation than her pedestrian set of pipes to get famous long before that incident. That one pope-picture-ripping brouhaha was just the inevitable icing on a shit-filled genoise.

If it hadn't been for her image-mongering, no one would have bought her watered down Kate Bush imitations in the first place.

Let her rot in obscurity; my beef with her has always been her inferior music, not her backfiring media strategies.

[CatWoman]

17. OUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

note to self: don't piss Austin off.

[RandomKoolzip]

29. Note #2:

Never throw red meat to a hungry, underemployed rock critic!

[Robeson]

18. I could care less....

[Dave Reynolds]

19. No.

She can do it if she wishes.

Just her own little not-so-subtle statement.

[The Backlash Cometh]

20. Non issue except to the religious freaks.

When you found out what she was really protesting about, however, you realize what she did was pretty brave.

[liontamer]

21. not at all

She was abused as a child and was protesting the catholic's church protection of priests who abuse children.

People just chose to focus more on the way she made her statement and didn't really report much on why she did it

[TrustingDog]

58. yes, the Why doens't get much play, does it?

and she has a fantastic voice/delivery, call it what you may. Odd that my girl was playing Sinead doing Don't Cry For Me, Argentina today... haven't spun that for years......

[donheld]

22. Not at all

IT WAS JUST A GODDAM PICTURE :crazy:

[liberalmuse]

23. Not at all, however...

my thought was, 'Man, is she going to get shit for doing that.'

[BeatleBoot]

24. I'm a Roman Catholic Democrat and I thought....

"She needs some ointment for that Bowling Ball scalp. It looks dry and scaley"

Then I thought, "What a poseur! She ain't tough enough to live in my 'hood!"

Then I thought, "Is there any pizza left in the fridge?"

Then I thought, "I think I drank enough tonight, maybe I should just take a Motrin and go to bed."

Then like a week later everybody was all over her ass.

Who cares! The Pope's been through worse than that.

[Fenris]

25. Like I give a fuck about Sinbad O'Chumbucket

Her music sucks and she has an insufferable personality.

I'm not biased. I think the same about the Pope, too.

[sundog]

26. no, I always liked her...

at that point in my life I had been exposed to some Rasta ideology, so I was aware of some people's feelings toward Catholicism as the root of Babylon (in fact, her album at the time had a single called "Fire on Babylon," which is a expression born of Rasta).

I wasn't shocked.

[SOteric]

28. I was a mite offended and somewhat peeved, yes.

I thought she'd been brought on the show to entertain with her singing and it was hijacking that platform to make what amounted to a hate statement.

I admit a certain hypocritical viewpoint in this, because it never bothers me when people like Tim Robbins, Susan Sarandon, Sean Penn or Michael Moore are brought on to speak about a film and rant about the war in Iraq, the guy in the White House and Haliburton.

And yes, I'm Catholic.

[intrepid_wanderer]

30. Hell No!!

Damn, What's the big deal?

I don't LIKE it when someone burns my country's flag...

I don't like it when someone brings my mother into their childish effort at argument...

I don't like it when someone decides to presume my sexuality determines my personality...



but, none of them piss me off... each is just a piece of a puzzle to my assessment of their character. Tearing up a picture of someone (ANYone) is disrespectful... so now we're supposed to be pissed...

I will spend my emotions more effectively elsewhere & keep my judgments to guide my purchasing and private discussion. If you get pissed when someone tears up a picture of their neighbor, then it would make sense to be pissed about ripping up the Pope's pic.. otherwise... why?

[caledesi]

31. I thought it was lame. nt

[MrSlayer]

32. No, I enjoyed it.

It gave me a reason to like her.

[Amaya]

36. Exactly!

[liontamer]

33. do you still feel the same way?

[CatWoman]

45. I understand where a lot of you guys are coming from

however, I must admit that I do still feel the same.

[Misunderestimator]

34. My first reaction was "You GO girl!"

I watched that episode live, and I was stunned by it, and thrilled. It was an inspiring moment for me. Fuck propriety! Tell the truth.

[Beware the Beast Man]

35. No. I saw it for what it was-an irritating cry for publicity.

She got it in spades.

[TrustingDog]

61. and good for her. Who else gets it without ripping up Icons live?

I don't think it was all publicity, maybe some, but it was not fake. She meant it, at the time anyway.

[eaprez]

37. It's like flag burning.....

.....a nonissue. Besides, everyone is entitled to make an ass out of themselves.

[_TJ_]

38. paedophile priests

It was a protest against child abuse in the Catholic church -
something we were sadly all too aware of in Ireland a good decade
before it hit the headlines stateside. :(

As usual it was a case of shoot the messenger...

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

39. strangely enough, that episode was hosted by tim robbins

who was promoting bob roberts, in which his rightwing character is shut down by a courageous production assistant during a musical performance on a snl-esque show

tim's opening monolgue is great where he goes after GE for its defense industry ties and ends up getting SNL cancelled. then it's all revealed to be a dream of lorne michaels who wakes up in bed next to phil hartman, who offers to go get him some warm milk

written by al franken and one of the best monologues in the show's history

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

41. and sinead is awesome, btw

especially "black boys on mopeds"

margret thatcher on t.v.
shocked by the deaths that took place in bejing
it seems strange that she should be offended
the same orders are given by her

I've said this before now
you said I was childish + you'll say it now
"remember what I told you
if they hated me they will hate you"

england's not the mythical land of madame george + roses
it's the home of police who kill black boys on mopeds
and I love my boy + that's why I'm leaving
I don't want him to be aware that there's
any such thing as grieving

young mother down at smithfield
5 am looking for food for her kids
in her arms
and the first word that they learned was "please"

these are dangerous days
to say what you feel is to dig your own grave
"remember what I told you
if you were of the world they would love you"

england's not the mythical land of madame george + roses
it's the home of police who kill blacks boys on mopeds
and I love my boy + that's why I'm leaving
I don't want him to be aware that there's
any such thing as grieving.

[bettyellen]

40. not at all..... i could totally understand it, being irish and a woman

myself.
a cry for publicity? she's one of the most publicity shy and unsavvy people.
she does not care for fame at all, ran from it, in this case, she was trying to use it to raise awareness.

[liontamer]

42. thanks for defending her

she's so easily misinterpreted. Like shaving her head which was supposed to keep people from type casting her, boy did that backfire.

[johnnie]

49. "she does not care for fame at all"

Did she think about that when she recorded music to be played all over the world?

[bettyellen]

63. no, because she really hated the attention and didn't have

the stomache for that and touring and all that goes with it. she acually derailed her own career because it was making her so unhappy.

[Rabrrrrrr]

43. No, I applauded her.

I thought it was great. I still think it was great.

One of the best moments ever on TV, and I'm damn glad I was there to see it live.

[rockedthevoteinMA]

44. Not at all - I thought it was pretty cool. n/t

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

46. No

[johnnie]

47. I thought it was idiotic

I figured she knew she was throwing her career out the window and I wasn't one to whine about it.
I think she was being disrespectful, but obviously she didn't care. She made a fool out of herself again that night. I didn't lose sleep over it.

[sendero]

48. No....

... I thought it took guts. I'm ambivalent about the correctness of it, I could care less what the pope says or what he does - on the other hand, I don't necessarily believe in offending people just for the sake of offending someone, and clearly this did offend a lot of people.

Color me confused :)

[RetroLounge]

50. What's a pope? and why should I care?

Why should I care about a torn-paper representation of some faux-figurehead for a whack-job conservative gay-hating woman-hating corrupt cult in some freaky little pseudo-country on the other side of the world?

It's not like they were sexually abusing altar boys or anything.

RL

[CatWoman]

53. gee, I didn't know the Pope diddled little boys.............

[RetroLounge]

55. I never said he did.

But I don't worship any god nor any man.

especially any man.

RL

[liontamer]

60. but he does set catholic church policy

the diocese of tennessee took a stand against pedophilia by suing the VICTIMS for not doing enough to prevent abuse against others. How bad is tearing up a picture in comparison to that "statement"

[CatWoman]

62. I agree

I think it's vile the way those children were treated.

And equally vile the way the priests were protected.

Don't get me wrong -- I'm a victim of brainwashing.

[TrustingDog]

51. not at all. i admired her for it. quite gutsy.

[ronnykmarshall]

52. I loved Madonna's responce the next week.

La Ciconne held up a picture of Joey Buttafucco and did the same thing.

Uncle Fester (Sinead) is a complete wack job and I have little respect for her ass.

[donheld]

71. I have little respect for her ass.

But the rest of her is ok.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

57. Nope. Didn't care. Bald people dissing bald people annoy me.

[imenja]

59. no, she's Irish

I put it in context. The Irish feel a lot of Catholic oppression. If it had been someone just expressing their random disrespect, that would have bothered me.

[HEyHEY]

64. A bit imature, but I wasn't pissed

[bigwillq]

65. No.

We should have the right to rip up pictures of anyone we feel like.


I am ripping up a picture of CatWoman right now.:evilgrin: ;-)

[Ariana Celeste]

66. She's a beautiful woman, and I respect her.

If people could get past the image and look at the message, more people might respect what she did up there.

[CatWoman]

67. I see a lot of posters here have problems with her music

but I happen to like it.

[jonnyblitz]

68. I like her music also. nt

[tjdee]

69. It was just a picture....

Didn't hear about it till class the next day, when one of the "beautiful" girls in my class talked about how upset her dad was about it. Hadn't ever known she was a Catholic before that...

Anyway, hearing about it seemed like not a big deal, and then seeing it made it less of a deal. Freedom of speech and all that. Though I do imagine if I were a Catholic I'd feel mildly insulted--it being a surprise, at that. Sitting there thinking I was hearing a pretty tune, and blindsided .

[RebelOne]

70. Nope. Because I am not Catholic. I'm an atheist

and could care less.