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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 09:17 AM
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just got a really alarmist e-mail. . .
about Mono Sodium Glutamate and how it's in almost all processed foods and restaurant fare. It linked the additive to the acute rise in obesity, autism, and diabetes over recent years.

I'll post the e-mail in it's entirety if anyone wants to see it but it's wicked long. It also lists the other several names by which MSG is often listed, under "ingredients" on common packaging.

Just wondered if it's been debunked or if it's one of those that's been circulating for ever.

Many have been well aware that MSG is crap for a very long time but this was really extreme.

Any thoughts. . .?
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 09:22 AM
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1. msg
and what it does has been around for years. It does a number on your brain, making things taste better, as I recall. It has been linked to an allergy that can cause anything from a runny nose to respiratory distress-this condition is called "Chinese restaurant syndrome" because it was first noticed when people started having these symptoms after eating Chinese food (avoid the soups-they are loaded with MSG). Many Chinese restaurants now advertise "msg free" dishes.

Other processed foods can also contain msg as well, so if you are sensitive, it is wise to ask about its use at any restaurant and to read food labels carefully.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 09:52 AM
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10. yeah I knew about the Chinese restaurant thing
but check this out. . .

>Subject: MSG - SLOWLY POISONING AMERICA

>MSG - Slowly Poisoning America

>I wondered if there could be an actual chemical causing the massive obesity epidemic, so did a friend of mine, John Erb. He was a research assistant at the University of Waterloo, and spent years working for the government.

>He made an amazing discovery while going through scientific journals for a book he was writing called The Slow Poisoning of America. In hundreds of studies around the world, scientists were creating obese mice and rats to use in diet or diabetes test studies.

>No strain of rat or mice is naturally obese, so the scientists have to create them. They make these morbidly obese creatures by injecting them with a chemical when they are first born. The MSG triples the amount of insulin the pancreas creates, causing rats (and humans?) to become obese. They even have a
title for the race of fat rodents they create: "MSG-Treated Rats" .MSG?

>I was shocked too. I went to my kitchen, checking the cupboards and the fridge.

>MSG was in everything! The Campbell's soups, the Hostess Doritos, the Lays flavored potato chips, Top Ramen, Betty Crocker Hamburger Helper, Heinz canned gravy, Swanson frozen prepared meals, Kraft salad dressings, especially the
'healthy low fat' ones. The items that didn't have MSG had something called Hydrolyzed Vegetable Protein, which is just another name for Monosodium Glutamate. It was shocking to see just how many of the foods we feed our children
everyday are filled with this stuff.

>They hide MSG under many different names in order to fool those who catch on.

>But it didn't stop there. When our family went out to eat, we started asking at the restaurants what menu items had MSG. Many employees, even the managers, swore they didn't use MSG. But when we ask for the ingredient list, which
they grudgingly provided, sure enough MSG and Hydrolyzed Vegetable Protein were everywhere. Burger King, McDonalds, Wendy's, Taco Bell, every restaurant, even the sit down ones like TGIF, Chilis', Applebees and Denny's use MSG in abundance. Kentucky Fried Chicken seemed to be the WORST offender: MSG was in every chicken dish, salad dressing and gravy. No wonder I loved to eat that coating on the skin, their secret spice was MSG!

>So why is MSG in so may of the foods we eat? Is it a preservative or avitamin?

>Not according to my friend John. In the book he wrote, an expose of the food additive industry called The Slow Poisoning of America, www.spofamerica.com_(http://www.spofamerica.com/) he said that MSG is added to food for the
addictive effect it has on the human body.

>Even the propaganda website sponsored by the food manufacturers lobby group supporting MSG at _www.msgfacts.com/facts/msgfact12.html_
(http://www.msgfacts.com/facts/msgfact12.html) explains that the reason they add it to food is
>to make people eat more. A study of elderly people showed that people eat more of the foods that it is added to. The Glutamate Association lobby group says eating more benefits the elderly, but what does it do to the rest of us?

>'Betcha can't eat just one', takes on a whole new meaning where MSG is concerned!

>And we wonder why the nation is overweight? The MSG manufacturers themselves admit that it addicts people to their products. It makes people choose their product over others, and makes people eat more of it than they would if MSG wasn't added.

>Not only is MSG scientifically proven to cause obesity, it is an addictivesubstance: NICOTINE for FOOD.

>Since its introduction into the American food supply fifty years ago, MSG has been added in larger and larger doses to the pre-packaged meals, soups,snacks and fast foods we are tempted to eat everyday.

>The FDA has set no limits on how much of it can be added to food. They claim it's safe to eat in any amount.

>How can they claim it is safe when there are hundreds of scientific studies with titles like these?

>The monosodium glutamate (MSG) obese rat as a model for the study of exercise in obesity. Gobatto CA, Mello MA, Souza CT, Ribeiro IA. Res Commun MolPathol Pharmacol. 2002

>Adrenalectomy abolishes the food-induced hypothalamic serotonin release in both normal and monosodium glutamate-obese rats. Guimaraes RB, Telles MM,Coelho VB, Mori RC, Nascimento CM, Ribeiro Brain Res Bull. 2002 Aug

>Obesity induced by neonatal monosodium glutamate treatment in spontaneously hypertensive rats: an animal model of multiple risk factors. Iwase M, Yamamoto M, Iino K, Ichikawa K, Shinohara N, Yoshinari Fujishima

>Hypertens Res. 1998 Mar

>Hypothalamic lesion induced by injection of monosodium glutamate in suckling period and subsequent development of obesity. Tanaka K, Shimada M, Nakao
K, Kusunoki Exp Neurol. 1978 Oct

>Yes, that last study was not a typo, it WAS written in 1978. Both themedical research community and food "manufacturers" have known MSG's side effects for decades!

>Many more studies mentioned in John Erb's book link MSG to Diabetes, Migraines and headaches, Autism, ADHD and even Alzheimer's.

>But what can we do to stop the food manufactures from dumping fattening and addictive MSG into our food supply and causing the obesity epidemic we now see?

>Even as you read this, George W. Bush and his corporate supporters are pushing a Bill through Congress. Called the "Personal Responsibility in Food Consumption Act" also known as the "Cheeseburger Bill", this sweeping law bans
anyone from suing food manufacturers, sellers and distributors. Even if it comesout that they purposely added an addictive chemical to their foods.

>The Bill has already been rushed through the House of Representatives, and is due for the same rubber stamp at Senate level. It is important that Bush and his corporate supporters get it through before the media lets everyone
know about MSG, the intentional Nicotine for food.

>Several months ago, John Erb took his book and his concerns to one of the highest government health officials in Canada. While sitting in the Government office, the official told him "Sure I know how bad MSG is, I wouldn't touch the stuff!" But this top level government official refused to tell the public what he knew.

>The big media doesn't want to tell the public either, fearing legal issues with their advertisers. It seems that the fallout on the fast food industry may hurt their profit margin.

>So what do we do?

>The food producers and restaurants have been addicting us to their products for years, and now we are paying the price for it.

>Our children should not be cursed with obesity caused by an addictive food additive.

>But what can I do about it? I'm just one voice, what can I do to stop the poisoning of our children, while guys like Bush are insuring financial protection for the industry that is poisoning us.

>I for one am doing something about it.

>I am sending this email out to everyone I know in an attempt to show you the truth that the corporate owned politicians and media won't tell you.

>The best way you can help save yourself and your children from this drug-induced epidemic, is to forward this email to everyone. With any luck, it will circle the globe before Bush can pass the Bill protecting those who poisoned us.

>The food industry learned a lot from the tobacco industry. Imagine if big tobacco had a bill like this in place before someone blew the whistle on Nicotine?

>Blow the whistle on MSG.

>If you are one of the few who can still believe that MSG is good for us, and you don't believe what John Erb has to say, see for yourself. Go to the National Library of Medicine at http://www.pubmed.com

>Type in the words "MSG Obese", and read a few of the 115 medical studies that appear.

>We do not want to be rats in one giant experiment, and we do not approve of food that makes us into a nation of obese, lethargic, addicted sheep, waiting for the slaughter.

>With your help we can put an end to this, and stop the Slow Poisoning of America. Let's save our children!

>Hidden Sources Of MSG In Foods
>From the book 'Excitotoxins - The Taste That Kills'
>By Dr. Russell Blaylock, MD

>What if someone were to tell you that a chemical (MSG) added to food could cause brain damage in your children, and that this chemical could effect how your children's nervous systems formed during development so that in later years they may have learning or emotional difficulties?

>What if there was scientific evidence that these chemicals could permanently damage a critical part of the brain known to control hormones so that later in life your child might have endocrine problems? How would you feel?

>Suppose evidence was presented to you strongly suggesting that the artificial sweetener in your diet soft drink may cause brain tumors to develop, and that the number of brain tumors reported since the introduction of this widespread introduction of this artificial sweetener has risen dramatically? Would
that affect your decision to drink these products and especially to allow your children to drink them? What if you could be shown overwhelming evidence that one of the main ingredients in this sweetener (aspartate) could cause the same brain lesions as MSG? Would that affect your buying decisions?

>And finally, what if it could be demonstrated that all of these types of chemicals, called excitotoxins, could possibly aggravate or even precipitate many of today's epidemic neurodegenerative brain diseases such as Parkinson's disease, Huntington's disease, ALS, and Alzheimer's disease? Would you be
concerned if you knew that these excitotoxin food additives are a
particular risk if you have diabetes, or have ever had a stroke, brain injury, brain tumor, seizure, or have suffered from hypertension, meningitis, or viral encephalitis?

>Would you also be upset to learn that many of the brain lesions caused by these products in your children are irreversible and can result from a SINGLE exposure of these products in sufficient concentration?

>How would you feel when you learn the food industry hides and disguises these excitotoxin additives (MSG and Aspartate) so they can't be recognized? Incredulous? Enraged? The fact is many foods are labeled as having "No MSG" but in fact not only contain MSG but also are laced with other excitotoxins of
equal potency and danger.

>All of the above are true. And all of these well known brain toxins are poured into our food and drink by the thousands of tons to boost sales. These additives have NO OTHER purpose other than to enhance to TASTE of food and the SWEETNESS of various diet products.

>Hidden Sources Of MSG

>As discussed previously, the glutamate (MSG) manufacturers and the processed food industries are always on a quest to disguise the MSG added to food.Below is a partial list of the most common names for disguised MSG. Remember
also that the powerful excitotoxins, aspartate and L-cystine, are
frequently added to foods and according to FDA rules require NO LABELING AT ALL.

>* Food Additives that ALWAYS contain MSG *

>Monosodium Glutamate

>Hydrolyzed Vegetable Protein
>
>Hydrolyzed Protein

>Hydrolyzed Plant Protein

>Plant Protein Extract

>Sodium Caseinate

>Calcium Caseinate

>Yeast Extract

>Textured Protein (Including TVP)

>Autolyzed Yeast

>Hydrolyzed Oat Flour

>Corn Oil

>* Food Additives That FREQUENTLY Contain MSG *

>Malt Extract

>Malt Flavoring

>Bouillon

>Broth

>Stock

>Flavoring

>Natural Flavors/Flavoring

>Natural Beef Or Chicken Flavoring

>Seasoning

>Spices

>* Food Additives That MAY Contain MSG Or Excitotoxins *

>Carrageenan

>Enzymes

>Soy Protein Concentrate

>Soy Protein Isolate

>Whey Protein Concentrate

>Also: Protease Enzymes of various sources can release excitotoxin amino acids from food proteins.

>Aspartame - An Intense Source Of Excitotoxins

>Aspartame is a sweetener made from two amino acids, phenylalanine and the excitotoxin aspartate. It should be avoided at all costs. Aspartame complaints accounts for approximately 70% of ALL complaints to the FDA. It is implicated in everything from blindness to headaches to convulsions. Sold under
dozens of brand names such as NutraSweet and Equal, aspartame breaks down within 20 minutes at room temperature into several primary toxic and dangerous mingredients:

>1. DKP (diketopiperazine) (When ingested, converts to a near duplicate of a powerful brain tumor causing agent)

>2. Formic Acid (ant venom)

>3. Formaldehyde (embalming fluid)

>4. Methanol (causes blindness...extremely dangerous substance)

>Common Examples:


>Diet soft drinks, sugar free gums, sugar free Kool Aid, Crystal Light, childrens' medications, and thousands of other products claiming to be 'low calorie', 'diet', or 'sugar free'.

>A Final Note...

>Dr. Blaylock recounted a meeting with a senior executive in the food additive industry who told him point blank that these excitotoxins are going to be in our food no matter how many name changes are necessary...
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Enraged_Ape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 09:33 AM
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2. Dihydrogen monoxide is much worse than MSG, and it's in lots of food
http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html

"What you may find surprising are some of the products and places where DHMO is used, but which for one reason or another, are not normally made part of public presentations on the dangers to the lives of our family members and friends. Among these startling uses are:
- as an additive to food products, including jarred baby food and baby formula, and even in many soups, carbonated beverages and supposedly "all-natural" fruit juices
- in cough medicines and other liquid pharmaceuticals,
- in spray-on oven cleaners,
- in shampoos, shaving creams, deodorants and numerous other bathroom products,
- in bathtub bubble products marketed to children,
- as a preservative in grocery store fresh produce sections,
- in the production of beer by all the major beer distributors,
- in the coffee available at major coffee houses in the US and abroad..."

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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 09:36 AM
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3. I hear that it even flows freely over our lands, and the EPA does
nothing about it.
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 09:53 AM
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11. Thankfully, Our President is caring enough to do something about it.
Edited on Sat Mar-19-05 09:53 AM by ih8thegop
Unlike the Clenis.
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Enraged_Ape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 10:39 AM
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25. At least Bush is trying to reduce the purity of DHMO
For too long, pure, full-strength DHMO has been allowed on our streets and in our homes and workplaces, essentially unregulated. Thanks to Bush, American industry can now do something about that.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 09:39 AM
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4. If MSG is so horrible, why aren't all the Chinese
sick with horrible headaches? They use that stuff all the time.

"MSG allergy" is pretty much an Urban Myth. There have been quite a few studies on this, which I don't have time to quote.

Redstone
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 09:41 AM
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5. At least it comes with a free frozen yogurt -- which I call Frogurt!
The Frogurt is also cursed.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 09:43 AM
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6. "Ajinomoto" has been around since the 20's.
Other than the so-called "Chinese Restaurant Syndrome", this is the first I've heard about it causing obesity and Diabetes.

Maybe the HFCS lobby started the rumour?
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 09:48 AM
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7. As a counterpoint to the levity here...
... my wife has done a lot of research on this and other food alergy and intolerance problems.

There are people who are sensitive to msg, just as there are folks who are sensitive to various foods and/or substances.

But there is no evidence that msg is a problem for most people. Basically, if you get symptoms after eating msg, stop eating it :)
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 09:50 AM
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8. Oh....
..... and as far as diabetes and obesity - the culprit du jour is corn syrup, and frankly the case that is being made against it is pretty strong.
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 10:28 AM
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23. Sugar and caffiene together are an instant addiction. I use to be
addicted to Coke - the drink. I drank a liter a day plus. When they came out with the new Coke, I was looking for a substitute. Then they came out with classic coke without caffiene. One can of that and I no longer had the addiction. I drink ice tea with Sweet & Low. If I have water or tea without a sweetner, I drink 1-2 glasses. With S&L in it, I drink 4-8 glasses.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 10:14 AM
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17. It can't be that simple--it's a national health crisis!
The feds have got to do something--save us




from ourselves.

:eyes:
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 10:40 AM
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26. Fluoride and chlorine are poisons and is in a lot of our drink water.
I have a theory that a lot of skin cancer is from swimming in chlorinated swimming pools. There is a lot of stuff in the food chain that is bad. But the government has minimum safe levels, and corporations can use poisons as long as their "safe". Mercury in vaccine shots. Unreal on that one. Mercury in tuna & other fish. Chicago water has 23 chemicals in it, 5 just to make the water taste good from all the other checmicals.
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 09:50 AM
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9. I just checked snopes.com and didn't find anything debunking
your email. I'm sure it contains a kernel of truth.
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 09:57 AM
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13. lol, you beat me to it
I swear your reply wasn't there when I wrote mine. Ah well, good advice anyway.
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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 10:08 AM
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15. or it's too new
sometimes it takes awhile for Snopes to do their research and post a response.
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 09:56 AM
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12. Whenever I get these kinds of emails, I always
go to www.snopes.com to see whether there's been any research on the topic. 99% of the time I find the topic already on the site and about 70-80% of the time it's completely false. I usually send a link to the report back to the sender and ask them to disseminate the info to everyone they sent the email to originally. Rarely do they do this (unless they just don't copy me on it). Actually, I really wish people would just check www.snopes.com before they ever even forward these emails on to other people. It would cut down on forwarded emails by a huge percentage.

But, in the case of the MSG email, I was surprised to find that the subject has not been covered. I would suggest, though, that you send the email to the people at this site for further research. They may find the answer for you.
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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 10:07 AM
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14. aspartame
The part about aspartame has been debunked, so that makes me very suspicious about the REST of the email.

http://www.snopes.com/toxins/aspartame.asp
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 10:17 AM
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18. If aspertame is evil, I'm in a world of hurt.
But since I must take insulin, I'll take my chances.

Something will kill me, I'm fairly certain of that. I may as well enjoy it.
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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 01:13 PM
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28. same here
I can't have sugar so I use it a lot, so far without side effects. My cousin, on the other hand, is allergic to it.
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 10:23 AM
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20. I went to Snopes.com Most of the references about it being OK were
FDA/Government statements. Do a search on "Aspartame" on Google and you get a bunch of web sites where people tell you how it's affected their lives. I stopped using this years ago.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 10:26 AM
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21. I've used it since the beginning with no ill effects, and have
no intentions of stopping unless it's pulled from the market. When your choices are as limited as mine are, you tend not to nitpick.

As someone said upthread, if it makes you sick, don't use it. The alternative to aspertame for me would make me quite ill, so...

To each his own.
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 10:10 AM
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16. I found the email on line.
Edited on Sat Mar-19-05 10:24 AM by silverweb
It directs the reader to go to a particular medical publishing website and do a search for "MSG obese," which I did. The email claims that there are 115 published medical articles confirming its claims. Not quite true. There are 108 articles that refer to MSG-obese rats used for experiments in everything from vagotomy to glucose tolerance to exercise effects.

I have not read every word of all these articles and don't intend to, but the kernel of truth in the email appears to be that MSG-injected rats become obese because it affects their insulin sensitivity and glucose tolerance. How much injected MSG is needed to accomplish this is something I don't know, but I doubt that many humans are injecting themselves with the stuff.

This reminds me of the old flap about saccharine causing cancer in lab rats. It took the equivalent of more saccharine than anyone could ingest in several lifetimes to have that effect but it still caused a good deal of hysteria.

On edit: I'd be much more concerned about the effects of ingesting too much sodium with MSG in combination with the already massive amounts of sodium in processed foods. This is a big problem for people with hypertension, as well as cardiac and renal problems.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 10:21 AM
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19. Don't get me started on saccharine. I was diagnosed IDD in 1967 at the
age of 7, and life would have been intolerable if there hadn't been saccharine, and I'm not kidding. The same thing happened with cyclamates--both were the best quality artificial sweeteners there ever were.

It's 38 years later, and I'm still seething over it.
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RaRa Donating Member (705 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 10:26 AM
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22. My SIL is allergic to it
And gets really sick for a few hours if she ingests it. No doubt about it. Happened at Christmas with food SHE made (later checked a seasoning packet for the potatoes). The rest of us were fine.
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barackmyworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 10:32 AM
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24. there is so much MSG in tomatoes
it occurs in "high" levels naturally
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sir_captain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 10:54 AM
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27. The "science" in that email is extremely stupid
MSG isn't so horrible, anyway
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