Sinead O'Connor appreciation thread.

[jdj]

She just popped into my head.

I can't imagine why.

[johnnie]

1. Uh huh

That bald chick?

[LostinVA]

2. Fight the real enemy!

Or whatever the heck she said when she ripped up the photo of the Pope. I remember watching it when it ahppened on SNL. Now, I had my beefs with the Pontiff, but Ms. O'Connor is no moral authority on behavior. She's kinda nuts, I think...

[jdj]

16. if you're interested in the truth, here in her own words.

(keep in mind this is 10 years before the child sexual abuse scandal actually broke in this country)

"O'Connor, 26, raised a Roman Catholic in Ireland, is virulently
anti-Catholic. "I believe (the Catholic Church) want children to be abused,
that's why they want to ban abortion because, unless we're being abused, they
don't have any power -- we don't reach out to them," O'Connor said in a
just-published interview in Vox, a British magazine.

O'Connor's latest album, "Am I Not Your Girl," includes songs from musical
comedies as well as a statement at the end of the album: "I'm not a liar. And
I'm not full of hatred. But I hate lies, and so the liars hate me."

A four-CD set of recordings made during Marley's 18-year career -- including
"War" -- is being released today.

"She took a song made from a speech and turned it back into a speech," said
Charles Comber, a spokesman for Marley's family and foundation. "That's her
interpretation, which is her right in a democracy." O'Connor did take some
liberties with the Marley-Selassie text. The 1968 original says, "Until the
ignoble and unhappy regimes that now hold our brothers in Angola, in Mozambique
and South Africa in subhuman bondage have been toppled and utterly destroyed ...
we Africans will fight if necessary and we know we shall win." O'Connor
substituted "child abuse -- yeah! Child abuse," for the names of the three
countries."

http://www.members.tripod.com/dcebe/pope03.txt

edit: source: The Washington Post
October 6, 1992, Tuesday, Final Edition

[LostinVA]

87. Sinead O'Connor needs therapy, and it has nothing to do with the Pope

She's straight, she's a lesbian (trust me, lesbians all over the world shuddered at that one), she's straight, she's a "nun," she's an atheist. All within about three years.

[johnnie]

18. I thought she was a media whore

That sham of ripping up the picture was a joke. I saw right thru it. She had one hit from Prince, and used the tearing up of the pic to "further her career", it didn't work. She had no real authentic thoughts.

[jdj]

19. you are so wrong.

why in the name of god would a so-called "media whore" not die her hair blond and get plastic tits? why do everything in your power to not be conventionally attractive.



I can't believe the illogic of your post.

[johnnie]

23. Because

Shaving your head and ripping up paper is not a very original stance on making a point. It is a feeble attempt on attraction.
There was nothing new on what she did except that she took it one step further on being on a live show. If even that.
When I saw it (live) I laughed my ass off on the absurdity of her bullshit. It was weak and pretentious. Shaving her head and not getting a "tit job" was her "statement" of not wanting to be noticed. It was a joke, and she wasn't very good at her attempt to be "different". She was a hack and obviously time has proven that.
Her attempt to "not wanting to be famous for her looks" was a propaganda coup that backfired. She was a media whore and did it with less intelligence than Madonna. It was a crystal clear bullshit joke.
If she didn't want to be known, she should have kept herself at home. She sucked and time has proven that.

[jdj]

24. have you ever listened to anything besides top 40 radio?

I bet you are a Hall & Oates fan, aren't you?

Ricky Martin, maybe?

[johnnie]

44. Huh?

Because I don't think she was important you have to pull out the childess digs..lol. OK. yeah Sinead was God!!! How is that?

[jdj]

45. she can't be, he just died, remember?

[Susang]

25. johnnie, you might want to look up the definition of *hack*

You obviously have never seen Sinead O'Connor perform live or you would not have used the word hack to describe her, as it in no way applies to Ms O'Connor's talent, no matter what you may think of her appearance on SNL.

Someone who takes themselves out of the public eye, as O'Connor has done, can hardly be classified as "overfamiliar" or "commonplace".

And btw, she began her career with a shaved head, way back in 1987, with the release of her album The Lion and the Cobra. She had no problem with being perceived as attractive, only her idea of what was attractive just happened to differ from the mainstream at that point in time.


Hack (short for hackneyed)

adj : repeated too often; overfamiliar through overuse; "bromidic sermons"; "his remarks were trite and commonplace"; "hackneyed phrases"; "a stock answer"; "repeating threadbare jokes"; "parroting some timeworn axiom"; "the trite metaphor `hard as nails'"

[johnnie]

31. Honestly I have no real first hand knowledge of her

I lied some of her tunes, but never looked at her as any kind of "staying" force in musical history. All I do remember is that many people said she did the shaved head thing because she didn't want to be recognized as some beauty (I will admit she is attractive).
I also read here (on DU) that she didn't want to ever be famous (bullshit..LOL).
Yes, I have never seen her live. I have nothing against her personally. I just don't think she was ever any remarkable talent in the history of culture.
I have nothing against her except that when people think that tearing up a 8 by 10 on SNL was some revolutionary act, I think it was a stupid "hack" job of publicity. No different than Janet Jackson's boob shot on TV. It was :eyes:
Please don't get me wrong, I respect anyone's right to like what hey like. But I also like to give my opinion. I don't hate Sinead. But I don't hate The Bay City Rollers either :)

[Susang]

35. It was no hack publicity stunt

It almost ended her career and it certainly didn't sell any records for her. As a matter of fact, it got her booed offstage at a Dylan tribute concert a couple weeks afterwards. Bob Dylan didn't lift a finger to support her freedom of speech, but you know who did? Kris Kristofferson. He came onstage while the audience was screaming and booing at her while she tried to perform her scheduled song and told them to shut the fuck up.

Seriously, you don't see the difference between tearing up a picture of the pope on national television and Janet Jackson's nipple pasty being exposed during the Super Bowl? Really?

[jdj]

40. this is the song she sang at that concert, a cappella:

BOB MARLEY - War Lyrics

What life has taught me
I would like to share with
Those who want to learn...

Until the philosophy which hold one race
Superior and another inferior
Is finally and permanently discredited and abandoned
Everywhere is war, me say war

That until there are no longer first class
And second class citizens of any nation
Until the colour of a man's skin
Is of no more significance than the colour of his eyes
Me say war

That until the basic human rights are equally
Guaranteed to all, without regard to race
Dis a war

That until that day
The dream of lasting peace, world citizenship
Rule of international morality
Will remain in but a fleeting illusion
To be persued, but never attained
Now everywhere is war, war

And until the ignoble and unhappy regimes
that hold our brothers in Angola, in Mozambique,
South Africa sub-human bondage
Have been toppled, utterly destroyed
Well, everywhere is war, me say war

War in the east, war in the west
War up north, war down south
War, war, rumours of war

And until that day, the African continent
Will not know peace, we Africans will fight
We find it necessary and we know we shall win
As we are confident in the victory

Of good over evil, good over evil, good over evil
Good over evil, good over evil, good over evil

she changed alot of the words and sang "Child Abuse" instead of war in the chorus...man that was an amazing moment, I don't think I could have been that brave.

[johnnie]

49. It wasn't her scheduled song

She changed it at the last moment and it screwed everyone up. I have it here somewhere on tape. It wasn't about her freedom of speech, it is about respect for each other's spiritual freedom.
Of course the Catholic church can be held responsible for many things, but Pope John Paul 11 wasn't to be held responsible for 2000 years of it.
When Sinead was a child John Paul wasn't even the Pope. She took it into her hands to make a statement and fucked up her career. It was stupid and I believe that. As i said, I laughed at her lame stunt. many didn't, I did. The Sex Pistols had more to say than she did. She was a goof in my opinion, that's all I am saying.
If people here want to dig on Sinead, then go ahead, I just personally think she was a flash in the pan who's only mark in the music history books was doing a Prince tune and ripping up a 8 by 10 photo.

[Susang]

52. You keep changing your story

First it was a publicity stunt, now after learning more about the situation, all you can say is that it was "a lame stunt".

And yes, when Sinead was a child, John Paul II was in fact the Pope. He was made Pope in 1978, when Sinead was 11 years old.

[jdj]

53. spiritual freedom is different from the right to rape children.

thank god people like her have the courage to speak up for kids.

and "it" didn't fuck her career up, what fallout she had from that was gutless, ball-less weak ass adults looking the other way about what was happening to kids under their noses and then on top of that mortal sin, jumping on the bandwagon and believing the propaganda instead of thinking for themselves. I'm sure she regrets doing that sappy Prince song, I mean, he's a waste of space. He's a talented pop musician but their are no shortages of those, unfortunately. She was an artist with a unique message, and an unique voice, up there with Tori Amos, Bjork, Enya, Kate Bush, etc and other quality alternative artists with an extremely devoted following, even though any of them rarely swirl in the toilet of "mainstream" music where the "hits" you refer to float.

[johnnie]

56. What children did the Pope rape?

Do you have the list?

[jdj]

58. um, it wasn't just him.

I mean, maybe it wasn't him at all, I don't know. I wouldn't put it past him, but he sure has looked the other way a whole hell of a lot and allowed thousands of children to suffer this fate by refusing to kick the pervs out of the church.

[johnnie]

59. Can I ask

What "religion" are you?

[jdj]

61. none.

you?

please don't say catholic. because that would be so predictable that it would make me sad.

[johnnie]

64. Nope, not Catholic

So you are none? Can I then say that I condemn you for anyone that is not religious for all the people who have no religion that ever did things against anyone? Or do would you think it unfair that you are singled out for other people's evil?

[jdj]

67. Sorry, real children trump philosophical arguments.

you personally can say or do anything you want about me, I care not.

but for someone with as much power as the pope to look the other way while evil was being perpetrated in the name of God, well, he may just burn in hell for that one. There's not a thing you can say to justify that, and if you try, you just end up making yourself look callous or deranged or both.

[johnnie]

69. Yeah

That is a typical non response from people who have no other answer. Good try. He had no power over what people did for 2000 years before he existed as you did.
I am not a big supporter of the Catholic church, but I am a logical person. To single out one person for the act of billions is narrow minded and foolish.
You are obviously young and haven't experienced much yet. You will get there some day.

[jdj]

71. child please.

you really don't know much about this scandal, do you?

the point is the man had the power to oversee how these priests that were reported for molestation were treated, and guess what the church did? they transferred them to other parishes.
over and over and over again. with the blessing of the higher ups, up to and including the pope. so that more and more children were raped and sexually assaulted.
the pope was the authority and the pope chose to look the other way.

I mean, of course there are other reasons to despise him besides this, if you don't care about kids that much, like his homophobia, or his misogyny. But hey, why loathe someone for legitimate reasons when you can just dislike a pop singer for a bad haircut instead...

edit: you also have confused my post with the other people you are trying to piss off here. I've confined my discussion soley to the pope's crimes and the crimes of the pedophile priests that he enabled. you'll have to refer to the other people you're arguing with for "2000 year old crimes" and "crimes of billions" etc etc.

[johnnie]

74. You aren't telling me something I don't know

I made one fucking comment about a pop singer and you go on and on. I think she was a joke, and history has proven me right. Go ahead and chant for her all you want on this forum, I'm sure you have raised much awareness tonight going on and on with me. You made no real statement to me and I only go one because I am bored, but I bet millions of people have read your posts here and the world has been changed.
I'm sure you have also saved many of children and probably even overturned the homophobia in the church because of your wonderful postings against me for the last hour or so. Good for you and you now have been canonized a Saint by the Catholic church for your original thoughts on the Catholic church and their unpopular opinions. No one has ever thought about it before,I'm glad you opened my eyes.
That's all....

[jdj]

75. millions?

do you think so?

really?

cool.

[johnnie]

76. I'm sorry

I'm not usually uptight. I apologize and I hope you accept it. I had a rough week and am a bit grumpy.
Peace?

[jdj]

77. I'm farklempt.

of course. we both should be in bed.

well, unless you are in a totally different time zone.

I don't want to go to bed because I've stayed up way to late and I know I'll be tired all day tomorrow. I hate it when I do this.

[jdj]

78. just seeing if this thing is really broken.

edit:

wow, that's a trip. it's broken.

no matter where you reply to it comes out of my millions post. I guess DU is up past it's bed time too.

[johnnie]

79. It's 4:45 here

I should be in bed. I have to work in the studio tomorrow and I should be sleeping. I also have had two martinis and a few beers, not a good thing..LOL
I'm sorry if I upset you or pissed you off. I get uneasy when an argument starts :)

[jdj]

80. no. i'm a cuss.

i like to argue.

it's a character defect.

we must be in the same time zone. It's 4:48, but it's really 3:48. or maybe not, I can't remember which is real time and which is fake.

[johnnie]

81. No

It's spring forward...it is an hour later. It's later than you think.
Have a good night jdc, and thanks for understanding and a lot of thought :)

[jdj]

39. did you completely miss the whole catholic church child abuse scandal?

you know, it was all over the news.

that's what it was about, although she was one of the only ones talking about it at the time...so sue her for being before her time.

she knows, because she lived it. her mother was so abusive and mentally ill that her father was the first Irishman EVER to be granted custody of his children. and she spent time in juvy halls growing up, too. This is remote incidental stuff for americans but for her it was her life, which might just happen to be why she was so unfashionably passionate about it.

And it's flat out retarded to say she did what she did for "publicity". That kind of career killing publicity is not what most people want...it's the same kind she got when she said she wouldn't perform here in the U.S. at a gig if the national anthem were played. Who would be that fucking stupid to think that those subversive, rebellious acts are something that someone would do to promote their career? Besides you, I mean?

[Kipepeo]

41. LOL

Because all "hacks" bring up politics and religions during their songs and furthermore demonstrate their (non-PC?) feelings to such an extent that they won't ever be invited back on network TV???

Give me a break. You may have disagreed with her message, but the fact that she made it (though extremely unpopular) did not exactly catapult her into the mainstream. Like you hear her on KBIG all the time right? Please!

I agree with the previous poster - if mainstream popularity was what she was after she would have dyed her hair "punk!" and gotten a tit-job while singing happy-fun-meaningless songs by a Christina Agulalalalala writing-team (aka Liz Phair's recent choice...which I don't begrudge her for entirely 'cause a chick with a kid needs to make her rent).

[johnnie]

43. Where is she now?

I could give a shit about Sinead OConner..lol. She is another has been.

[Kipepeo]

46. hahaha

funny that you contradict your own posts...she did it for the massive publicity!!! No wait, she's a has been!!!

What do you have against her on an emotional level? B/c that's what usually drives such inconsistent internet snipes against celebs.....

[johnnie]

50. Read up

I have nothing against her. You obviously have just been reading what you want to see. I could give a shit about her, I am only answering these stupid posts about her because they keep coming up.
I will say it again. I COULD GIVE A SHIT ABOUT HER. Go ahead and dig on her all you want. I have no idea where this chick even is. She did not...and will not play any major role in my life. if you want to spend your time being a Sinead pusher, then be my guest. In fact, if you want, or need to.... PM me all you want about Sinead. I can take it..LOL
Lordy....

[Kipepeo]

57. Actually - I've been reading what you've provided me and

Your posts don't seem to be consistent - first attempting to tear her down as a "hack" (your words) pursuing all that publicity (LOL) in overdone ways (by whom??) and then characterizing her as a has-been (your words) who no-one knows of. Well, obviously the OP knows of her and those who have responded do...and I guess YOU do too, otherwise why the original posts from you (those from your original tear-down position)?

I don't do PMs usually - especially not about a singer (whether I respect them or not). But you can PM me if you want.

Meanwhile, I'm digging up my old Sinead tape to hear my favorite of hers...Black Coffee.

[johnnie]

62. In my defense

I have been trying to watch a movie and i keep trying to answer these posts here. My mind is more on the flick than Sinead.
I mean no disrespect to the people who like Senead, but I have half-assed answered these posts.
Oh well. peace to you and I hope you don't hold all this against me. I'm not a bad guy.

[Kipepeo]

68. LOL, it's okay. I am also watching a cute Uma Thurmond movie

and am distracted. But don't diss Sinead until you've heard her, man...go get an early cd and check her out. Definitely NOT mainstream or same-ole-same-ole.

[johnnie]

70. I have heard her

And I will say, that Prince song she did hits me deep. She could have really been bigger than she was.
I am a singer/songwriter who has over 1000 CDs and over 1000 albums. I have played music for 25 years and worked as a producer and engineer in many studios. Blah blah blah..lol I'm not pulling my chain, just explaining that I have been around the block..lol
I have nothing against Sinead as an artist and don't think bad of her. This thread has given me a headache...LOL

[jdj]

47. yeah, and she acknowleges that.

Liz, that is. It sucks though.

"I was flying into Chicago at night..."

[Kipepeo]

51. I know

I'm glad she (Liz) at least says in interviews that she did it to make rent (in so many words). Otherwise if she tried to pass that creamy-cherry-tweeny-cardboard-cutout-pop off as from-her-heart I'd just about burn my 'Exile in Guyville' cd out of grief.

[jdj]

55. I've about worn mine out. One of the greats, one of the classics.

It just occured to me that some people, as is apparent here, go their whole lives not knowing about this undercurrent of really artistic music because they can't get past the crap on MTV. that is sad.

[Kipepeo]

60. It iISsad...

MTV has nothing to do with music anymore, just money.

"Fuck and Run" is one of my favorites. The "Flower Song" too...guess I can't burn it afterall. ;)

[jdj]

63. yeah, Fuck and Run, and the song

I don't know the name, it might be the flower song where she sings


cause I am all a ****
in spring
you can rent me by the hour...

that whole album is just unreal.

and back in the day, enough people were listening to alt. music where one could actually pay the rent on it.

I don't think that's true any more, and I think that's why Liz went somewhat mainstream. I think she must have had some serious voice lessons as well, because she was off key alot on Exile (not that I minded, it fit well in that genre).

[LostinVA]

88. Because she WAS attractive with her head shaved

Stunningly so. I agree with both you and Johnny. I think she half meant it and half is a media whore -- she's done too many downright strange things in the spotlight.

[MnFats]

3. interesting that her biggest hit was a Prince song.

she got treated miserably at the Dylan 30-year thing, cause -- hey, it's timely - she ripped up a photo of the Pope on Saturday Night Live.
I kept waiting for Dylan or Kris Kristofferson to chastise the crowd at least a little ... "Hey people, we still have free speech in this country, y'know?"
Or something like that.

there was also on SNL a pretty funny bit where the Rat Pack couldn't get her name right. "Sinbad?"

[Zuni]

4. The best was when Phil Hartman called her Uncle Fester

[LostinVA]

9. That was sooo funny. Hartman was Sinatra

Victoria Whashername was Edie Gormie, and I can't remember who was Steve Lawrence. Jan Hook was Sinead. Okay, why the HELL can I remember this from like 15 years ago, but can't remember what I ate for lunch yesterday???

[southlandshari]

27. I don't know

from your post if you are an O'Conner fan or not. I never disliked her for her Pope picture antics, anti-American statements, or any other weirdo shit she pulled.

But I absolutely hated the fact that she never gave credit where credit was due for her smash success with "Nothing Compares to U", which was not only written by Prince, but also previously recorded by the one-album-only group The Family (another Prince creation).

I'm biased, I know, because I was a huge Prince fan in the early 80's and I though The Family's version was ten times better than O'Conners.

Sorry to the OP for dissing Sinead O'Conner. Should I shave my head as a form of penance?!

:hide:

[jdj]

28. gave credit?

he got song-writing credits and I'm sure his punk ass gets royalties, what was she supposed to do, write it on her forehead whenever she sang the song? I'm sure she probably regrets doing that song anyway, since it was so pop and undershadowed the depth of the rest of her work. Another artist that made a similar mistake is Joan Osbourne, the realase of that stupidass "One of Us" god song killed her career off before it even got started, even though the album it's on, Relish, is one of the most solid albums I've ever heard, if they hadn't released that pop song first it would have had about 4 or 5 hits.

People mis-read that song anyway, she sang it about her mother and people interpet it as some sappy stupid love song (which I'm sure ishow prince intended it).

by the way, where is he lately? I've heard more about Sinead than the 'artist that formerly liked to beat up women'.

[southlandshari]

37. Ack!

You are right - I don't know what else I should have expected her to do to give Prince or The Family "credit" for the song. I admit I just thought they did it better, so I guess I didn't like the fact she hit it big with what I considered a lesser version of the song.

And you are right - I did interpret it as a sappy love song, and right again, this seems to be how Prince wrote it and how The Family originally recorded it.

Ok, that's three "you are right" acknowledgments in one post! Call me a wimp if you want, but I'm waving the white flag here. I didn't mean to turn this into a Sinead O'Conner vs. Prince thread. I just liked his music an awful lot - when I was a teenager, for @#$%'s sakes!


:blush:

[Kipepeo]

66. As an aside - I not only love Sinead's version of that song

but you should also check Ani Difranco's version (GREAT!) and Tegan and Sara's version of Prince's "When you were mine." BEAUTIFUL!

:)

[southlandshari]

54. Don't leave me hanging, jdj!

I extended the olive branch (hell, the whole tree!) to you after your response to my last post here. I know you are still out there tonight - do you agree to an 80's music truce on this one?

[jdj]

65. I'm sorry,

my thought was, well that was humble and I'm humbled by that humbleness.

yes. I may have to check into this "family" recording, I didn't know anyone else had recorded that song.

[Arugula Latte]

5. That took guts.

I'll always admire her for that. I cheered when she did it. (Now I'll get flamed, oh great...)

[Rabrrrrrr]

7. No flames from me - I cheered, too!

I'm damn glad I happened to have been watching it that night.

One of the greatest moments of prophetic television ever.

[jonnyblitz]

8. I won't flame you. I Know I cheered her when she did it. nt

[jdj]

12. She didn't get "booed off the stage".

sometimes when I think the right wing propaganda isn't working I come here to prove myself wrong.

Sinead stayed on stage, silenced her band, and sang a cappella the Bob Marley song "War" substituting the words "child abuse" instead for racism.

SINEAD
WAS
UPSET
ABOUT
THE
CHILD
ABUSE
IN
THE
CATHOLIC
CHURCH.

She was ten or 15 years ahead of the rest of the world on this, and still to this day dumbass propaganda infested dipshits don't get this, dont' understand WHY she did what she did. I have seen that edited clip of the booing and her leaving the stage so many times my head should have exploded by now. She stayed on stage and she sang about the scandal that would take another decade to break and NO ONE stood up for her, but she didn't care. It is one of the bravest acts I have ever seen, and I highly recommend people here watch the film of that event, UNEDITED, because her voice did not waver, and it was such a beautiful moment.

[jonnyblitz]

14. good post.

:thumbsup:

[Cyndee_Lou_Who]

15. Thank you!

The ignorance baffles me!

[adwon]

84. Actually

You're wrong about why she tore up the picture.

She claims to have been abused as a child. That's why she substituted 'Child abuse' for 'War' in the song on SNL. She tore up the picture because of the Church's stance on birth control, which was law in Ireland. She felt that birth control being illegal was leading to the abuse of unwanted children BY THEIR PARENTS.

I always felt her 'social conscience' should be taken with a grain of salt because of her stated ambition, early in life, to become a protest singer. She admired the folk singers of the 60s not for what they said, but for what she thought they represented.

As for her being booed, sorry to be the bad guy, but it's not an infringement of her freedom of speech. People have the right to speak, not the right to be heard. She made her statement, she got a reaction. Honestly, what should she have expected? When Dr. King went to protest, he fully expected to be beaten and thrown in jail. Yet he accepted the consequences, without complaint, and kept on going. Ms. O'Connor has not done the same.

[jonnyblitz]

6. LOL

:P

[fujiyama]

10. What was her main beef with the Pope?

I remember seeing it when I was young and didn't understand what she was trying to get at. I know why people could have a problem with the Pope. I certainly had my differences, but what her main issue (woman in preishood, abortion, etc)?

It just seemed like it was something done primarily for the shock value and the ability to offend, rather than protesting anything in particular.

[jdj]

13. All of it.

like in my post above, watch the clip.

If I had superpowers I would MAKE everone alive (1st world people) sit down and watch what she did.

[fujiyama]

17. Well she was certainly correct

about the child abuse going on within the church and many years before many were informed of it. It was somewhat prophetic.

Still, I'm not sure if it was as effective as it could have been. It was an important cause and it's too bad it didn't get the coverage it deserved until many years later.

[jdj]

20. it wasn't effective because he was the "pope"

he was the real santa claus, the man everyone wants to believe is good.

too bad. too bad for the kids that suffered and continued to suffer. too damn bad.

[fujiyama]

21. Don't get me wrong

I'm not excusing the Pope for basically covering up for the pedaphile preists and Cardinal Law (didn't he shift him around and give him a cushy post in Rome?).

All I'm saying is that I'm not convinced it was the most effective way to protest it and get the word out on what should have been a very serious matter many years ago, rather than a media circus (and at the time it was) over some bald headed woman tearing a picture of the pope up.

[jdj]

26. I think you are missing the point.

The point is she did SOMETHING.

and look at what society did in response? they sided with the child-raping devils.

she once said that if she didn't speak her convictions she wouldn't be able to sleep at night. She's the only one that can sleep soundly. all those criticizing her and all those who booed her, aided and abetted the pedophile priests.

It wasn't "effective" because you, I, we, weren't ready to hear it, to accept the beloved church that grown-ups so needed was besotted with pervert raping the choir boys, and had been so forever/ that's where the antiquated terms pederast/ catamite come from. It kills me, this revisionist criticism, yeah, well, she actually was right, but it wasn't "enough". All I know is that she is one of a few who stood up and spoke truth to power for innocent kids while the rest of us cowered in piety. And look what people did to her for this, it's a pathetic reading of humanity, for sure.

[JVS]

11. Nothing compares to her!

[Nevernose]

22. Queen of the one-hit wonders

[Susang]

29. Only if you're shallow enough

To think top 40 music is all that matters. Here's what the rest of us heard:

Troy
I Want Your (Hands on Me)
Mandinka
Drink Before The War
Nothing Compares 2 U
Emperor's New Clothes
Just Like U Said It Would B
Fire on Babylon
Empire (with Bomb the Bass)  
Last Day of Our Acquaintance
I Am Stretched on Your Grave  
Success Has Made a Failure of Our Home
My Lagan Love  
No Man's Woman


 
 
 

[Nevernose]

30. I have, indeed, listened beyond what the corporate radio told me to

This does not, however, change her status as a one HIT wonder.

[Susang]

32. I call bullshit

Define "one hit wonder", then maybe I'll buy this line of crap.

[Nevernose]

36. Sure, it's not that hard

Not what's a good song, but what's hti number one on the Billboard charts. If I recall correctly, she may have had a couple of others that broke the top 20 in the US, but only one song that hit number one for any length of time. It was big, too -- such a frigging big hit that you couldn't walk through a shopping mall in North America without hearing it.

Being a one-hit wonder has nothing to do with your or my opinion of the woman's songs (qualitative), but rather in terms of actual sales of that particular single (quantitative). She had a lot of good songs, but only one of them sold more singles than anyone else at that time.

And please don't take it out on me that we live in a world where the Billboard charts are dominated by schmucks like 50 Cent and some teenage girl with a bad boob job -- I don't listen to most of the shit on the Bollboard charts, nor am I the one who purchases their records. Again, to reiterate: I never said anything about the woman's talents, only how many singles of "Nothing Campares To You" she's sold in America.

[Susang]

38. You're the one using their terminology

Calling her a one hit wonder does imply something about her talent, does it not? Or have I mistaken the snarkiness of your initial post?

[Nevernose]

42. No, and no

No, in my mind it doesn't necessarily imply anything about her talent. There's a lot of people out there who deserve to be considered musical gods and yet never get ONE hit.

And to be perfectly honest, I'm not entirely sure what "snarkiness" means, but if it means "Jesus Christ, Nevernose, you can be a real asshole," then yes, I was probably snarky. Sorry 'bout that.

[Susang]

48. I wasn't calling you an asshole

Only trying to figure out exactly what you meant by "Queen of the one-hit wonders". I think many would agree that that sounds like a slam against the artist, not the Billboard ranking system.

[Dirk39]

85. Troy n/t

but there's just this ignorance and memory whole...

1 Hit Wonder. ONE hit? Britney Spears had more...


Don't worry, be happy...beyond what the corporate radio told you. Whatever this might have been.

Hello from Germany,
Dirk

[jdj]

33. How could you forget "Three Babies?"

this is one she performed on SNL.

I guess I'm gonna have to go listen to me some Sinead here in a minute.

Sinead O'Connor Three Babies

Each of these
My three babies
I will carry with me
For myself
I ask no one else will be
Mother to these three
And of course
I'm like a wild horse
But there's no other way I could be
Water and feed
Are not tools that I need
For the thing that I've chosen to be
In my soul
My blood and my bones
I have wrapped your cold bodies around me
The face on you
The smell of you
Will always be with me
Each of these
My three babies
I was not willing to leave
Though I tried
I blasphemed and denied
I know they will be returned to me
Each of these
My babies
Have brought you closer to me
No longer mad like a horse
I'm still wild but not lost
From the thing that I've chosen to be
And it's `cause you've thrilled me
Silenced me
Stilled me
Proved things I never believed
The face on you
The smell of you
Will always be with me
Each of these
My three babies
I will carry with me
For myself

[Freebird12004]

34. Nothing Compares 2 U & Last Day of Our Acquaintance

Were my favorites, the cassette is here somewhere.

[fleabert]

72. Lion and the Cobra is one of my fave all time records...

it is spectacular.

I wish I still had my 12inch of Put Your Hands on Me, with MC Lyte. Incredible collaboration, esp. for the late 80's.

I love her!

[jdj]

73. MC Lyte was on there?

I have. an ex-girlfriend who, that was beyond her favorite album of all time. I'm sad to say that I don't have it.

I am getting sad, missing this kind of music so much. The 90's was an incredible decade to be young in, we had the best alternative music in the 80s and early 90s. it was just such a creative time.

[fleabert]

83. MC Lyte did a remix 12inch...It may have been a b-side for a single

I am not sure. I know there was a twelve inch, but I am sure you can find it on any of the download sites...

I miss this kind of music too, although there is some good stuff coming out now , I have to admit. I graduated in 91, so I grew up with sinead, depeche, the smiths, the cure, ministry, etc... It's too funny to see it as 'old' music now. I am such an old lady! ;-)

[Dirk39]

82. The pope knew, how to die like noone else...

and she did understand, to leave the pop-buiz with a dignity, never seen before. Both were raised up catholic, I guess.
I've seen her here in Hamburg at one of her last concerts, where she did only sing traditional folk-songs and did weigh a few pounds more and seemed so relax.

I will never forget the moment, when she did irritate and subvert this mainstream pop-event, to remind people, what some of this songwriting was about some time ago. She wasn't arrogant in any way. She did know that she could only loose, but she did it anyway. Again this reminds me of the way, the pope did die.

What a wonderfull woman!

Hello from Germany,
Dirk

[Behind the Aegis]

86. Troy

I love many of her songs, but "Troy" is one of my favorites! I think it is haunting and empowering all the same...plus I have some interesting memories to go along with it! :evilgrin:

[DeaconBlues]

89. There are few women who can sing with the versatility and passion of

Sinead O'Connor. Songs like "Empire" and "Troy" just blow me away.

If she is considered a "one-hit wonder," I think this says a lot about the poor state of popular music today, and little about O'Connor's talent.