Anyone feel sorry for David Horowitz? He got pie'd.

[WhirlyGirl]

Nobody's a more disgusting hatemonger than this guy.

As a matter of fact, it might be fair to say that Kristol unfortunately reaped what Horowitz, and Ann Coulter, have sowed.

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From the Indystar, 4-7-2005:
. . .
After the incident, Horowitz completed his lecture.

It was the second time in a week that a conservative lecturer was hit by a pie at an Indiana university. On March 30, William Kristol, editor of The Weekly Standard, was attacked during a speech at Earlham College in Richmond. . . .
(more . . . http://www.indystar.com/articles/8/235034-8678-102.html
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[punpirate]

1. Nope, don't feel a bit sorry....

His neo-con friends can afford to help him out with the dry cleaning.

As for his injured ego, he'll get over it. :P

[Melynn]

2. No way,

The guy is a real neo-thug.

[adwon]

3. I gotta wonder

Will the administration attempt to classify pies as 'improved explosive devices' and prosecute the throwers as terrorists?

[WhirlyGirl]

7. adwon, dontcha just love the way Horowitz exaggerates the threat . . .

. . . from one of embarrassment to actual physical harm at the hands of these conservative-opposing "fascists"?

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"There's a wave of violence on college campuses, committed by what I'd call fascists opposing conservatives," Horowitz said. "It's one step from that to injury."
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Yet numerous threats have been made against Democrats, and Horowitz and his friends have been stragely silent. The Nat. Review's John Derbyshire, for example, walked right up to the edge (some say stepped over the line) -- TWICE -- of soliciting Chelsea Clinton's assassination out of a fear that she might have inherited her father's genius for politics, yet no outrage was expressed by the right over what could certainly be seen as a credible threat to an innocent young woman!

[TaleWgnDg]

4. It's so much more fun . . .

.
It's so much more fun when there's a photo of the pie actually hitting the face, full-front . . . oh, well

[Robeson]

5. No. Nada. Zilch......

....:nopity:

[imenja]

6. I don't feel bad for Horowitz, but Kristol is over the line

I disagree with him on everything, but as you note, he's not a hate monger like the other two.

[WhirlyGirl]

8. I don't agree w/ Kristol, but he's much more measured in his rhetoric ...

... certainly, than Horowitz or Coulter, and doesn't deserve pastry in the face.

[hadrons]

9. only feel bad because the pie wasn't a shit-filled one

[Orsino]

10. He's been taking nasty, greasy...

...s--ts all over his country for many years, and is rewarded with free pie? I envy him!

Mmmmmmmmm. Pie.

[forgethell]

11. I've read a great deal

of support for "pie"ing on several threads. I hope we can all remember that this is a legitimate form of protest when it starts happening to our guys. We wouldn't want to be hypocrites.

[Pool Hall Ace]

12. I'm on the fence when it comes to pie-ing.

The 10-year-old in me gets a giggle out of it, but I'm wondering, is it considered assault? And I wonder what is in those pies.

It reminds me of playing on the blacktop at recess with that Soupy Sales "pie face" game.

[WhirlyGirl]

14. Why SHOULD it "happen to our guys"?-- our guys don't try to humiliate . .

. . . their opponents and demonize a whole collection of people they never met with a single word spat out though curled lips and clenched teeth.

Take what people like Horowitz and Coulter allege about "liberals," and substitute any religious or racial epithet you like -- and it sounds just like 50 or 70 years ago. They are the SAME HATERS. They are the SAME PEOPLE Jesus tried to reform, facryinoutloud.

They'd exterminate us if they could. The same cannot be said of our intentions toward them.

[forgethell]

15. Right, but

they may not see it like that. The fact is that if we have the right to "pie", then they have the right to "pie". And will exercise it.

Are you really listening to what you just said??

These people have ideas that they believe in, just like we do. Instead of debating those ideas, we are reduced to pie'ing as some sort of justice? God, we are pathetic. If you can't beat 'em, pie 'em ??

What is pie'ing but an attempt to humiliate our opponents? Is calling someone a 'Nazi' because he has different ideas not "demonizing" him? Who are the haters here?

I'm not saying liberals or progressives are haters. Pie'ers, maybe they are.

[WhirlyGirl]

16. The ability of a liberal to see the other person's point of view, as he..

. . . highmindedly places his head into a noose, is a neverending source of wonder and amazement.

Re-read my last two sentences. Then read them again. Then embroider them into a sampler, and hang it over the fireplace.

And then carefully consider this aphorism:

A Nazi is a person who feels pursued and persecuted by the Jew he JUST FINISHED TORTURING.

[forgethell]

17. Your question was

why SHOULD our guys get pie'd? Because our guys did it first is the correct answer. If we are the first to resort to violence, we (at least those who do so resort) have already lost the intellectual and moral argument.

On edit: I'm not entirely sure that some of us wouldn't exterminate them if we could. I'm not so sure that most of them would exterminate us if they could. There are haters on both sides. And also non-haters. But if bumper sticker slogans is your thing, go for it.

[WhirlyGirl]

18. Thank you for telling us On the one hand, but on the other hand. --

. . . Forgeth -- there *IS* no OTHER HAND. There is, as our bloviating brothers on the right enjoy chanting, NO MORAL EQUIVALENCY between hitting someone with a pie and blowing up the Murrah Building.

Please listen and save the country and maybe your own life, okay?

Bill Clinton was right on the money when he tied Oklahoma City to "conservative" talk radio.

Liberals take umbrage at the victimization of OTHERS -- so we are accused by right-wing radicals of "promoting a culture of victimization."

RW radicals, by contrast, take umbrage at THEIR OWN victimization.
They don't see anyone else's.

Now think: What are THEY promoting?

[RandomKoolzip]

19. Trouble is:

These people have ideas that they believe in, just like we do. Instead of debating those ideas, we are reduced to pie'ing as some sort of justice? God, we are pathetic. If you can't beat 'em, pie 'em ??

They have ideas, we have ideas: yup. True. The difference is, THEY have a massive media infrastructure and a multi-billion dollar political machine that forces their dangerous fringe ideas into the mainstream against the mainstream's will (although that's arguable). They also have the money and wherewithal to push for legislation that would make their ideas laws. We don't. The avenues to popwer they have bought access to have been closed to liberals.

The "ideas" they have are dangerous. They will lead to fascism. There is no public forum where We (the liberal pundits/representatives) are allowed to debate on a level playing field, and at this point in history, the country is so far beyond reversal on this road that a great many sane people who once would have had easy access to media or even allowed a voice have been crushed, silenced, banished, blackballed, or maginalized.

We are indeed "pathetic," because we never had the advantage of a Big Daddy like a Scaife to build for us the political machinery to do battle in this modern realm. To stretch a metaphor, our political military is like Sweden's, theirs is like, uh, the United States'. (Does that make sense?) We are outarmed, outgunned, backed up against the ropes. When met with such force, and the unability to actually fight back, one usually does something so reckless in response that it seems absurd (like pie-throwing, rioting, looting, etc.), even though it is in reality the powerless fighting back against the super-powered in the only way they know how (that isn't actually violent, like rioting) .

I'd say that the pie-throwing incidents are tantamount to the college kid standing up to the tank in Tianenamen Square, but that'd be so patently bizarre that the mere image of it makes me chuckle. But metaphorically, it's right on.

[WhirlyGirl]

20. No, RandomK, I think your metaphor is a good one.

. . . Pie-throwing isn't lynching.

It's not even high-tech lynching -- which is what Clarence Thomas preposterously complained of but what his friends LITERALLY tried to do to Bill Clinton (who outwitted them by 1. understanding the Constitution, and 2. being a more confident and a more shameless politician than any of them!).

Seriously --
... Enemies lists.
........... COINTELPRO.
.......... "The Turner Diaries."
....................... "The elves."

What, on the liberal side, compares?

[forgethell]

21. OK, but

if you throw pies, you simply cannot complain if pies are thrown at you.

[RandomKoolzip]

22. Of course not.

We complain when our leaders are murdered under suspicious circumstances or if we have legitimate greivances (ie. everything that's happened in the last five years). Pies? Nein.

I think we have a deal!

[radfringe]

13. actually I am sorry

sorry that it wasn't a COW PIE!

[Huckebein the Raven]

23. Not at all

fuck him

[CanuckAmok]

24. Can anyone tell me if David Horowitz is the same guy who...

...had that syndicated consumer awareness show "Fight Back!" in the 70s/80s?

[RandomKoolzip]

25. No, different guy.

This Whoreowitz is an ex-Marxist, the former editor of far-far-far-left rag Ramparts.

When Ramparts folded, he worked as a defender for the Black Panthers' Berkeley chapter. In the course of investigating their case in 1975, he hired a female accountant to "check their books." This accountant was murdered soon after.

Horowitz's feelings of guilt in said incident caused him to reconsider his political leanings, and after several years in the wilderness, he "became" republican circa 1980.

Unfortunately, my all-time fave RockWriter, the brilliant Joe Carducci, is a fan. I haven't the faintest idea why. Sometimes Carducci (yes, of SST records fame) posts on Horowitz's "FrontPage" blog, under his real name.

[Zuni]

29. It is kind of crazy

how Horowitz went from a far-left stalinist zealot into a far right stalinist zealot. Although his views have changed 180 degrees, nothing else about his world view has.

[RandomKoolzip]

26. Kick for CanuckAmok

[Ellen Forradalom]

27. Nah. He's a weenie.

Awfully thin-skinned little character. Needs to toughen up a bit.

[Zuni]

28. No. He acted like a little bitch about it too

I heard him on Sean Hannity driving home from work one day. He was whining about 'scary, irrational violence' and the 'hatred of the extremist left'

He said he has decided to press charges for assault and is trying to get the University to expel the guy

Sounded like a little kid who got teased. What a damn weiner.

[WhirlyGirl]

30. Amen, to everything you just said, Zuni! Typical "dish it out but can't--

-- take it" right-wing radical.

Horowitz hasn't changed at all, really. He's exactly as hypersensitive and intolerant a reactionary as he was a leftist.

[peekaloo]

31. I'm sorry it wasn't a shit pie.