Lost Spoilers

[xmas74]

Someone explain to me wtf just happened! If you don't want to know don't read!

[sniffa]

1. i wanna know too

which part - the hatch? the raft?

[xultar]

7. The raft. WTF is up with that shit. n/t

[Mrs_Beastman]

9. I think the people on the boat who took the kid

were 'the others' the french lady is always talking about.

[xmas74]

24. Maybe.

I always thought that the "others" were islanders that hid from everyone. But that is a good possibility.

[Liberalynn]

26. I thought the same thing.

She said they were coming for "the boy" and though she thought they were talking about Claire's baby, they must have meant Walt.

[xmas74]

22. That's just messed up.

[xmas74]

8. What is going to happen to the little boy?

It can't be the sick thought that ran through my head. And the hatch? I still don't know.

[sniffa]

23. sick thought?

sex sLave?

[xmas74]

34. Pretty much.

Or some cultish rape and multilation thing. You never know.

[loudestchick]

2. Help me, too! ***Spoiler***

Ok, so "the others" wanted the boy not the baby. Why? And what about those damn numbers? And what was the smoke illuminating when they threw the dynamite down in the hole to release Locke?

[Bombtrack]

6. So you're sure that those dudes on the boat were "the others" ?

hmmm.

Was Ethan Rom one of the others? I thought at first he was "alex" but it turns out "Alex" (French woman's kid) is a girl.

[sniffa]

11. i don't think they were

i have my theory on the what's happening.

purgatory. the kids aren't supposed to be there and why they're being taken.
the bLack spirit was just that - i think trying to take Locke cuz it was his time to move on.

as far as the boy goes..... maybe sLave traders.

i don't know what the fuck the hatch was.. but it had a Ladder. maybe a path to heLL?

[xmas74]

27. A path to hell would be awesome!

But it's probably some underground nuclear shelter or something. I think that some of that area was a military base and that latch was the passageway to a hidden govt lab or something of that nature. I keep thinking of the nuclear testings done in the Bikini Islands in after WWII.

[AbbeyRoad]

67. It's not purgatory

"Lost" co-creator J.J. Abrams appreciates the fans' creativity.

"The purgatory one is a great one, I love that theory — but it isn't what it is. I'd be frustrated if that were the answer I have to say," he said.

So the survivors are not in purgatory and it's not a dream. And producers say there is a logical explanation for everything.

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Entertainment/story?id=732221&page=1

[sniffa]

80. damn it!

now, i have no idea. :cry:

[loudestchick]

14. There was a girl; in the cabin of the boat. She threw the liquid explosiv

[xultar]

19. So she is that lady's baby, Alex?

[xmas74]

28. Possibility.

We didn't get a very good look at her. She's supposed to be about 16.

[giant_robot]

50. Interesting point about Ethan

Doesn't the name Ethan Rom strike you as strange? I put it in an anagram generator and got "other man". Coincidence? I think not! :)

[xmas74]

60. You know that it will not be a coincidence.

I could almost bet that it was picked for that exact reason.

[Mrs_Beastman]

15. Somehow

The kid that was stolen has something to do with the numbers. Hurly is directly liked to the numbers and so is the kid. People around both of them get hurt.That's my guess.

[sniffa]

20. the numbers

are his unLucky numbers - they won him the Lottery, but then they cursed him.

[xmas74]

31. But now it sounds like each of them will have a connection

to the numbers. Remember Kate said that 23 was significant to her because the reward given for her capture was $23,000. I'm thinking that all of them will have a link to the numbers somehow.

[xultar]

37. The gates that Hurley saw were 14 - 23

[xmas74]

38. That's right.

And soon someone will bring up the other connections to the numbers. I really think that everyone will have a connection.

[Beware the Beast Man]

49. Jack seat on the plane was 42, and the woman he met in the bar's

seat was 23...or the other way around.

Also- at the toy store in which Locke worked, regulation footballs were in aisle 8, and Nerf footballs were in aisle 15.

Another Easter Egg: did you see the jersey numbers on that girls' soccer team, or whatever it was? They were wearing the numbers.

[xmas74]

61. I forgot about the jerseys!

I wish that they would release this on dvd this summer. I would sit down and take notes for the next season.

[Wheaty]

65. DVD's with a commentary track

I'd love a DVD with a commentary track. Or like the Battlestar Gallactica on SciFi where the director does a "pod cast" you can download and sync up with the TV airing to get commentary. That'd be really nice. Even if it just gave things to pay close attention too while watching.

[xmas74]

71. Exactly.

I have a child at home who is not allowed to watch this show. She still sneaks in constantly to try to catch a glimpse of it so I miss some good clues by having to get her out of the room.
Truthfully, I am one of those people who don't need to have any part pointed out to me. I can usually catch the significance if I can get the chance to sit and watch for five uninterrupted minutes.

[Wheaty]

76. Well I usually catch the clues too, but...

...But I tend to second guess myself thinking I'm over analyzing the minutia. So a little DVD commentary to point out the main clues would help guide me. Even if the commentary is only for a few episode so I can spot a pattern of important clues in the show.

[xmas74]

85. I look at shows like this and figure that everything is

significant. I was really into Twin Peaks years ago. Everything they said and showed was significant. Plus, I am a spoiler when it comes to Survivor. We look at everything-from tv commercials to the opening segment to symbolism in the show-to figure out the final four. I watch that show because I consider it to be my own personal mystery. The clues are there you just have to find and decipher them. Maybe I just need to download the eppies and rewatch them that way.

[Beware the Beast Man]

69. I have to say, "Lost" has restored my hope in TV entertainment.

It's a smart, well-written show. Just look at how it got all of us talking and speculating.

[xmas74]

72. I hated the first episode.

I thought that the show was stupid. I gave it a chance a few weeks later and found myself hooked.

[Beware the Beast Man]

74. I didn't start watching until the winter break,

when ABC re-ran the first four episodes. My wife first heard the buzz about the show, and we were hooked from there.

[xmas74]

75. I watched the very first one, thinking that it might be a remake

of an old 70's show. I was so disappointed. I wasn't interested in a crappy monster movie plot. When I watched it a few weeks later I realized what it really was: a good old fashioned mystery/thriller. I got hooked in the same way that I was hooked on Twin Peaks. Both are shows where you have to catch every detail to figure out exactly what is happening. And both throw crap at you out of no where.
Damn. Now I really miss the first season of Twin Peaks.

[xultar]

78. Well said. I was thinking that Lost was the way TV was supposed to be.

Great minds think a like! :pals:

[AbbeyRoad]

45. Walt has special powers

I think maybe that's why the others want him. His stepfather knew it and tried to warn Michael. There was the incident before Walt's mother died when hew was looking at the book about birds and noone was paying attention to him, and then the exact bird he was looking at flies into the window and falls dead. Also remember that Walt was reading Hurley's comic book with the polar bear and then mysteriously a polar bear appears on the tropical island.

[xmas74]

62. Another good reason for them to want him.

And we don't know much about the baby Alex that was taken 16 years ago. She might have had them too.

[MuseRider]

3. No clue

but I don't like any of the endings. :cry: I did not watch this show until just recently but I will be waiting impatiently for next season.

[Bombtrack]

4. What specifically do you want to know, on another note, am I the only one

who wanted Sawyer and Jin to throw down Buffy style on all those dirty fisherman while Michael starting capping them ?

[xultar]

12. No shit. WTF they were fighting like they didn't wanna break a nail

That was DUMB.

[xmas74]

13. I wanted to see some ass kickin'!

If that were my kid I would have seen red and nothing else. Either they would have killed me or I would have killed them.

[Midlodemocrat]

5. I am totally lost.

So the 'others' aren't real? What about that tornado looking thing surrounding Locke? And, what is with the hatch?

I am seriously stumped. Will those guys on the raft live?

[Bombtrack]

10. um, Charlie just thinks that the "others" aren't real. Doesn't make it so

He was just pissed off at Danielle and that's the conclusion he came to.

But nothing close to confirmation.

And I have to rewatch the episode to see those little what-the-fuck-was-that's that was like Predator on invisible mode or something and smoke.

To me the thing that was dragging Locke seemed like a cable or something winding up, or atleast that's what it sounded like.

Did Jack get a look at what was dragging Locke?

I seriously have to rewatch it.

[sniffa]

17. the thing dragging Locke

was the creature in garbage compactor in star wars. :P

(i used to know the name of it)

[xmas74]

18. It looked invisible to me to.

And there was a mechanical sound when Locke was being dragged. I actually thought that he was being dragged by a machine instead.

[Liberalynn]

40. Is Any One Else Frustrated

I loved the show all season but I am the only one getting really frustrated? Can't they at least answer one of the mysteries before thowing in more? I know they can't solve everything or there would be no suspense for next season but can't they at least give us some satisfaction? The writers and producers keep promising that they will but then they don't.

On an interview on GMA this morning Evangeline Lily (Kate) said we were going to get a partial glimpse of the monster.Was that black cloud stuff supposed to be it? Kind of disappointing, if that was it.

I mean I know it makes you think and that's great but I need at least some answers too here. As a former paid researcher I get frustrated if I go too long without discovering at least a partial answer.

I have to confess I was kind of disappointed tonight, I was expecting big weird scary stuff, and I wasn't even un-nerved. I hate to admit I actually laughed when that know it all science teacher blew up because I was thinking thank God he won't be around next season. Plus I will be seriously ticked if Sawyer doesn't survive and make it back next season. If they don't stop throwing out all these ropes without ever tying up loose ends,I'm not sure if I will keep watching next season.

Sorry to be such a bummer but after the build up some of the critics, producers, and writers gave the finale, I was expecting more.

Is any one going to watch the GMA missing scene tomorrow morning?

[xmas74]

41. I'm watching it.

I want to see if it can help any further.

[Liberalynn]

47. I am going to try and watch

but in case I miss it, can you post about it here tomorrow?

[xmas74]

51. Sure.

And I wouldn't be surprised if ABC included it on their site somewhere too.

[Liberalynn]

52. Thanks

that's a good idea about checking ABC's site too.

[xmas74]

57. I'll check them tomorrow.

Also google the message boards. Chances are someone will post a link to it.

[Midlodemocrat]

25. And, is this the first time it was mentioned that Locke

couldn't walk? I don't remember that.

[sniffa]

30. yeah, he has MS

he started the show in a wheeL chair.

[xmas74]

33. I thought it happened after he donated the kidney to his father?

[sniffa]

36. whoops

i'm going with what my better haLf toLd me. she's been watching the show much more than i. :blush:

[xmas74]

39. That's cool.

It does seem like in the eppie about him that he was paralyzed when he donated the kidney. The big thing was that his dad had all that money and then screwed him over. His dad refused to even see him after the surgery and checked out w/o him knowing about it, even though he knew about the paralysis of his legs.
His dad was a d*ck.

[Midlodemocrat]

81. OMG, sniffa! You have a better half???

:cry:

[xultar]

84. Pull yourself together!

[xmas74]

32. In the very beginning of the series.

Shortly after the plane crash. He found that his legs worked again. Also, when they showed his "story" they showed how he donated a kidney to his long-lost father and the father betrayed him. He was paralyzed after the surgery.

[loudestchick]

29. It certainly sounded mechanical.

I'm really bummed that the hobbit took the heroin. I hoped he would resist the urge.

[xultar]

35. Well you're stuck on an island with nothing to do food and water

is @ a minimum. I might get hi and stay hi myself.

[xmas74]

42. True.

Yet he seems to be in love w/ Claire and is kinda leaning toward playing Daddy to the baby. So he probably should have left the temptation alone.

[philosophie_en_rose]

79. *Spoiler* (really random speculation)

It looked as if the "monster" was some sort of mechanical thing or force field that could pull things into the hatch or other holes around the island.

The pirates look pretty comfortable and well-prepared. Maybe they're scientists that experiment on the people drawn to the island. Walt and his mental abilities would be interesting to disect. Maybe they need him to find a cure for whatever disease they have contracted.

The numbers are a code that the scientists/cultists/misc. use to mark where they affect things??

[henslee]

88. i didnt see him take it... I just saw him hesitate and think about it.

unless i missed something.

[loudestchick]

89. When he brought the baby back to Claire they showed his bag

it had one of the religious figures in it. The heroin was hidden inside the figures and he saw the one that was broken open. If the figure he brought back to camp is intact, the only people (besides hobbit-boy)who will know what's inside are Locke and Sayid.

[henslee]

90. Gotta say, I dig the show, though some episodes are much

better than others and the rate at which info is given is not as rewarding as it could be. I was disappointed when I read an article about the show and learned that they pretty much make it up as they go along as opposed to knowing what the story is. While this may keep things fresh, I hope that the ultimate payoff will be satisfying.

[xultar]

16. Locke, is he or was he a preacher @ some point?

:shrug:

[xmas74]

21. He said that he used to work in a box factory.

He now is a believer in spirituality because he was able to regain the use of his legs after the plane accident.

[Wheaty]

54. And I think it's the box factory Hurley Owned

There was a mention that Hurley owned a box factory that his financial adviser had him buy with lottery winnings that some bad accident happened.

I think the box factory Hurley owned is where Locke worked and was paralyzed in the accident

[xmas74]

58. He might have worked in the same box factory.

But they showed he was not able to walk after he donated a kidney to his father. They said that there were complications from the surgery.

[Beware the Beast Man]

68. The box factory which Hurley owns.

:D small world.

[xmas74]

73. See how everyone will have a connection?

[graywarrior]

43. The thumbs-up Hurley gave to Walt on the plane

It's like they knew eachother, or had some kind of connection. Walt has some kind of psychic ability or something.

[xmas74]

44. Exactly.

Everyone will have a connection-kind of like the game 6 Degrees of Kevin Bacon.
As of this time my original theory about the island can still stand. I like that.

[caty]

46. Hurley said he won the lottery,

but maybe he got the $23,000 by turning the girl--I forget her name--into the police. He looked kind of funny when she said that $23,000 was the amount of her reward.

[xmas74]

48. No.

He did win the lottery. They showed in his episode how he was a minimum wage worker and he had won shortly after he got out of a mental institution. His lottery numbers were the numbers on the latch. He got them from a patient at the institution. The patient told him the numbers were cursed.
He was surprised w/ Kate because it was another link to the numbers. He didn't need to turn her in because he was supposed to be worth $160 million back home.

[graywarrior]

53. He seems to know more than everyone else except he

doesn't know that he knows. Every time something happens or someone says something, it kind of dawns on him that it may mean something, but he can't quite get what it is.....

[xmas74]

56. I think that he doesn't trust himself.

They lead us to believe that his release from the institution wasn't that long ago. Chances are good that he has excellent instincts but is afraid to listen to them. I don't think that they ever went into the specifics of why he was in the institution in the first place but I have the feeling that his being institutionalized itself is significant. Maybe he was misdiagnosed and has a true gift or maybe it will evolve into a case of the patients running the ward.
He's the one I plan to watch the closest. Locke also. We don't know if maybe Locke had a near death experience either during the surgery for his father or on the plane. If that is the case than his insights will be some of the most profound. Some cases of near death experiences have claimed to come back w/ heightened senses of everything around them. That would be an excellent reason why he is so in touch w/ the island.

[caty]

77. Oh--missed that episode. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

[xmas74]

86. No prob.

I have missed some things on the show. I am one of those people who can see or hear something once and file it away to pull up at any time in the future. That's why a show like this appeals to me.

[AbbeyRoad]

55. 23 is one of the cursed numbers

that he used to win the lottery. His winning numbers were 4 8 15 16 23 42. He looks at her weird, because it was "23" thousand.

He notices the same numbers are on the hatch, and that's why he freaks out and tries to stop them from opening it.

[graywarrior]

59. Maybe he's still in the mental institution

and so is everyone else

[xmas74]

63. Good point.

I still think that it is an exercise in terror.

[AbbeyRoad]

66. Thanks for the mind job...

:crazy:

Hmmm...

[jackelope72]

64. The guy who turned Kate into the police

was this kindly older rancher she was working for. Just before the plane came apart, she was going to ask the marshall who arrested her for a favor; the favor was going to be that he make sure the old man actually got the reward money.

[graywarrior]

70. All these little incidences....we need the DVD out now

[chelsea0011]

82. 666 is the number associated with evil

6x6x6=216 which is exactly twice the amount of the total of all the numbers added 4=8=15=16=23=42 = 108. Now if you can tell me why it is exactly twice the amount we can figure this whole show out.

[xmas74]

83. I'll work on that for a while.

I still want to stick w/ the govt exercise on unknowing victims theory.

[Liberalynn]

87. So Did Anyone Catch GMA

and the "Lost" clip this morning? I missed it.