Terrell Owens is a dip-shit, and why is Jesse Jackson behind him?

[GOPBasher]

Terrell Owens is a spoiled, arrogant, multimillionaire who thinks he's a god. Can anyone tell me why Jesse Jackson is behind him? He's the exact opposite of the people Jackson usually advocates for.

If anything, he should go support Donovan McNabb through his hard time. McNabb has been nothing but pure class -- he has never retaliated with a bad word against Owens. He's handled this with as much dignity as possible, and he's been a great role model for kids. I'm behind McNabb. Owens can go to hell. I wish he'd lose all his money and have to work for minimum wage the rest of his life -- see how he'd like that.

[mac56]

1. woah...

:popcorn:

[jakefrep]

2. The Eagles...

...are ignorant dipshits for cutting TO. I hope they enjoy their trip on the high road to mediocrity.

TO hasn't committed any crime. He ran his mouth. Big f-ing deal. If that's the worst thing he ever does, he's a better man than most in the penal colony that is the NFL.

[mac56]

3. "The penal colony that is the NFL"?!

:rofl:

Tell me you didn't actually say that.

[friesianrider]

5. We got rid of one of the best players in the league for McNabb.

Good goin' Eagles! :thumbsdown:

I agree with you jakefrep. McNabb may have more maturity, but that doesn't win games - that is, after all, what this is about.

[lies and propaganda]

18. Thank You.

When you would rather lose your season than deal with a shittalker, you better not cry when i laugh my ass off at you.

Every interception, every botched pass, I couldnt help but think that TO could catch em. But you have a super fundie Mormon coach can say with dignity ;he didnt like THE WAY TO apologized to him.
Doesnt really get less football than this.

I hope they tank the rest of their season because their priority is obviously not football.

[Wetzelbill]

23. no kidding, it isn't like they didn't know the guy was brash ....

in the first place. They handled the whole situation badly from the beginning. If T.O. was that bad he wouldn't have lasted in the league as long as he has. He'd have flamed out like Ryan Leaf did.

[rustydog]

43. He catches a friggin ball in an overblown ":sport"

TO.O. is a poor excuse of a man, but a`perfect specimen of an asswipe.
He does not walk on water, he catches a ball and runs with big men chasing him... OOH, a HERO, let me kiss his ass and worship him...NOT.

He needs to discover humility and to buy a forklift to hold his super-ego in check.

He is a friggin jock. whoopie.

[jobycom]

4. Sorry, I side with TO, Jackson, Nader, and labor in this case.

The Eagles knew TO said stupid stuff before they signed him. If poor little Donovan can't handle a passing comment that at the moment with all his injuries he's not as good as one of the greatest quarterbacks of our era, then he sure can't handle the field of professional sports.

I doubt McNabb is really upset. The Eagles are using this as a chance to unload a contract they don't want to pay. They saw what TO would ask for when his contract was up, they saw that his numbers back it up.

They want to suspend him without pay for four games for hurting someone's feelings, then bench him the rest of the season--thus cutting out no telling how many hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, in contract milestones--but they don't want to just release him so someone else can play him. That's not suspension, they are trying to kill his career. Jackson is right to complain, and for once I even agree with Nader.

[BulletproofLandshark]

8. I believe T.O.'s in the 2nd year of a 7-year deal

Even if they cut him,he's still going to get paid, plus they'll probably take a huge cap hit if they did that. I don't blame the Eagles one bit for not wanting this asshole around. Donovan McNabb has been nothing but
pure class since the day the Eagles drafted him, and T.O. has publicly disrespected him over and over again, just like he did to Garcia in S.F.
The only mistake the Eagles made was thinking they could make this baby change his ways.

[lazarus]

19. he won't get paid

Because there are no guaranteed contracts in the NFL.

The team can cut you whenever they want. They can threaten to cut you if you don't agree to "restructure" your contract for less money.

What they're doing to T.O., however, is ridiculous. He's essentially being suspended for the rest of the season.

For what?

Did he participate in sex orgies on Lake Minnetonka?
Did he get caught abusing substances?
Did he beat his wife?
Did he gamble on the game?
Did he go into the stands to assault fans?

No, he ran his mouth. Boo-fucking-hoo. He's also the best receiver in the game. Deal with it, or cut him and let him sign with another team that will then get a lot better.

McNabb wasn't injured when he was moon-walking in the end zone, but he was injured when he threw that interception. Maybe T.O. was right.

[jobycom]

25. Is there a law against disrespecting a co-worker?

And how is TO's comment--which was simply agreeing with a commentator's analysis that McNabb may not be playing as well now that he's injured as one of the greatest QBs of all time--disrespecting of McNabb?

ANd frankly, I don't respect Garcia, either. Dude's a lousy QB.

[GOPBasher]

56. No, but there's no law against suspending someone either.

The Eagles are well within their rights suspending Owens for four games without pay. After that, he'll be paid for the rest of the year; he'll just be benched. The Eagles have a right to do that, too -- just like Terrell had a free speech right to be an asshole in the first place.

[GOPBasher]

55. Thank you Tinman.

I don't get why everyone's defending Terrell. We should be defending McNabb; he's been so dignified in the way he's handled this whole thing.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

22. Knowing about it doesn't make you married to it.

Sorry, but just because he had a prior offense and they GAVE him a second chance, that does not mean they have to give him a third, fourth, fifth, and sixth chance. Not by a long shot.

[jobycom]

28. I would agree if TO did something serious

Sorry, but TO's comments hurt no one, and weren't that dramatic in the first place. The Eagles could have laughed them off. Picture Reid calling a press conference, and in a light-hearted mood, saying "TO shot his mouth off again. Big deal. Now, we have a Super Bowl to win." McNabb could have then said "TO didn't disrespect me, he praised our team, and acknowledged that in my current state Brett Favre would be able to lead this team to more wins than me. He's right. Now, let's go win a Super Bowl."

Then they would have beat the Redskins, then Dallas, and they'd be in control of their division and on the way to Super Bowl. Instead, they threw a hissy fit, and have fallen apart, and are going to be more upset when their suspension is overturned in arbitration.

The Eagles created the distraction, not TO. TO was being TO.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

30. You've obviously never played team sports.

His comments DID hurt a lot of people and they were vastly detrimental to the team.

[jobycom]

39. Leaving the innaccurate personal attacks aside

Bullshit. These are professionals who handle criticism all the time. They've all played with loudmouths before. Every great team deals with these issues without splitting the team. The bad teams fall apart. Charles Haley, Dennis Rodman, Deion Sanders and Corey Dillon are just a few examples of players kicked off one team for shooting off their mouths who went to another team and helped them win championships. The

Eagles are a losing team. They can't handle their own players. So they look around for scapegoats instead of fixing their problems on the field.

And I like McNabb. But he did play badly in the Super Bowl, and he is killing the Eagles right now. His injuries are a far bigger problem than TO's mouth, and until the Eagles learn to prioritize, they'll be whining about not winning Super Bowls for a long time.

[ProfessorGAC]

33. Labor?

You consider a multimillionaire, independent contractor a member of labor?

Really, now! The NFLPA is no union, and the top shelf payees, are not laborers. Ask some factory worker in Philly if T.O. is a laborer like them. Methinks you will be looking for an affirmative for quite some time.
The Professor

[jobycom]

36. Yes. And the owners are management. nt.

[ProfessorGAC]

38. Sorry. We'll Agree To Disagree

The players don't even LEGALLY call themselves a union. That's a media term. They are an association and legally constructed as a guild of independent contractors. That's a legal fine point, but there is no way one will ever convince me to consider a players' association on a par with a labor union.
The Professor

[jobycom]

40. So non-unionized workers in the south aren't labor?

[ProfessorGAC]

42. You're Comparing Factory Workers To Independent Contractors

I'm surprised you can't see the dissimilarities. A textile worker cannot be compared to a professional athlete under contract.

For instance, if you and i were both textile workers, and our work was compared. You have 10% of my defect rate, and still operate the systems at 20% above my best rate. Do you think you can go in to renegotiate a better wage? Even in a non-union shop?

There's no comparison between labor and pro athletes. The better comparison is between a pro athlete and the guy who owns his own electrical contracting shop.
The Professor

[jobycom]

46. Except

If I am a non-union tire changer and I have a better record than my co-workers, I most certainly will be able to use that as leverage for better wages.

And an independent contractor can't be held accountable by his clients, can't be suspended without pay, and cannot be held without option by a client so that he can't offer his services to another client. The client either does business with the IC, or does not--there's no gray area.

And a guy who owns an electrical shop is not an independent contractor, he's a business of his own. He may contract out with clients, but he's not beholden to them. He owns the business.

Terrel Owens doesn't own the business, he doesn't own himself, he can't leave to hire himself out to another employer, he is beholden to his employer on when he shows up, how he conducts business, and even what equipment he uses. He cannot hire himself out without a contract. His employment in his profession is limited to a small number of employers who are allowed to collude to control employer access to his services.

He is nothing in any way at all like an independent contractor, and he is even further from a small business owner. He is a worker in an industry with tightly controlled management, with strict requirements on hiring and firing. Right now his employer is trying to prevent his ability to practice his trade by tying him up in a contract that only THEY can waive.

He's paid more than most employees, granted. But his job situation is nothing more than labor.

[ProfessorGAC]

47. Sorry But You're Wrong

I know i'm not going to convince you, but you're wrong on your facts.

A guy who owns his own electrical contracting shop is an independent contractor, by DEFINITION. He contracts for a project. He does the work. He gets paid. That's it.

When an independent contractor takes on a high level project, he is no longer at liberty to take another project which would in any way impede the success of the first contractee. If that happens, the contract has been violated. So, the electrical contractor is no more free to move from one job to another then is Terrel.

And, if he violates safety rules at the site, he can be terminated without any further compensation. That's legal. That's standard, and that's a fairly typical occurance. It's why the most successful contractors are the most dilligent in regards to their folks under agency law. Then they don't get terminated, and get future contracts of consequence.

You also make the incorrect assumption that Terrel's options are limited to playing for the Eagles or nothing. There may be an inherent right to be gainfully employed, but not everyone is ENTITLED to do what they do best. Ever heard of an actor waiting tables, or a musician working as an oil change technician? They may be entitled to make a living, but they have no entitlement to make their money playing music or acting, no matter how talented.

T.O.'s third option is simply to get a job that doesn't require playing football. It may not be the most desirable option, but changing someone else's oil isn't the most desirable option to a suberb musician. I won't deny that would suck for him, but to pit this as labor v. management is disingenuous, because more options do exist.

Lastly, insubordination is grounds for termination in ANY workplace in any state in this country. And, repeated insubordination is a paper trail issue that i'm sure the Eagle's lawyers have covered. If not, they should be terminated.

I have one honest question for you: Would you be as supportive if one of these hypothetical lawyers i just mentioned got canned because they screwed up and then told the general manager that they should get stuffed and never talk to them unless spoken to first?

The Professor

[jobycom]

49. You're not right.

Someone who owns an an electrical shop is NOT by definition an independent contractor. That term only refers to his relationship to a business that hires his services, not to him or his shop. I can own an electrical shop and do retail business and not be an independent contractor. But that's still irrelevant to TO. To be an independent contractor, by law, you have to be independent of the company hiring you. They cannot, by law, require you to show up at a certain time, be there at a certain time, tell you what equipment you must use, or put other demands on you. If they do, you are an employee, even if you try to call yourself an independent contractor. This is my job, by the way. I'm a bookkeeper in charge of payroll and income tax returns, so these are distinctions I deal with on a regular basis. TO, or any athelete, is not an independent contractor. He has a contract, but he is not independent. He's an employee.

As for an independent contractor's right to contract with another company, that is up to the contract negotiated by both parties, but again, part of the definition of an independent contractor is that the contractee cannot control his outside contracts. He can work out a non-competition clause, but it is up to the contractor to agree or reject such a clause. TO doesn't have that option to seek out his own business. If a contractee negates a contract, the contractor is free to seek business elsewhere. That's what makes him independent. TO doesn't have that right. He's not independent, he's an employee.

Whether a contract can be voided for safety violations has nothing to do with TO. We know the contract can be voided. But the Eagles are refusing to do so, and TO does not have the option. So the comparison is wrong.

The question of whether TO is entitled to play football has not entered into the conversation, and frankly I can't see how it relates to anything I've said.

And of course insubordination is grounds for termination. Again, I don't know what you are trying to argue against. My point is that they should either terminate TO or give him a fair punishment. Their plan is to punish him and then NOT terminate him, so that he remains under contract in a situation that prevents his future employment, and prevents him from making all of the money his contract agrees to let him make. By benching him for off-field reasons, they prevent him from reaching the built-in milestones in his contract, thus costing him money, not because he can't reach the milestones, but because they won't let him try.

I have no problem with them disciplining him (although their reasons are childish), or terminating him, but they are doing both. They have gone from being an employer trying to discipline an employee to make him more productive, to being an outside law enforcement agency attempting to punish someone they plan to cut at the end of the season. That's vindictive. The point of arbitration is to make sure that the punishment is not too severe. I can't see how anyone can argue that this punishment is not extreme. Jesse Jackson and (this pains me to say) Ralph Nader are right--the Eagles should discipline him and let him play, or should cut him, but should not vindictively attempt to destroy his career as punishment. That's beyond an employer's right.

[ProfessorGAC]

50. Well, We'll Just Leave It At That

You are wrong about the sole proprietorship laws though. Once a contract is signed, any other business conducted by said contractor is irrelevant. Same as any pro athlete. Look it up! I did. Mann & Roberts is the cite. So, within the bounds of the contract (same as with a pro athlete), that contract is all that matters between the two parties.

But, as to the overall gist, we'll just have to agree to disagree. I think they are completely within their rights. You don't. We won't settle that here.
The Professor

[anti_shrub]

6. It always amuses me

How there's so many people who actively dislike a certain subject, say sports for example, who suddenly end up experts on the very same subject once it takes a political slant (real or percieved).

Most people on DU (especially in the Lounge) don't care about football and some will even post pages upon pages of why sports are useless in society and should be banned because there's more important things people should worry about. Those that do care tend to get shouted down by the crowds of people who cluck their tongues at people who enjoy such caveman pastimes.

Let a politcal figure interject in what was essentially an internal team issue that goes beyond what is public knowledge, and suddenly there's wails of protest at how unfair the mean old Eagles are.

[WeRQ4U]

14. Sooooooooo well put.

I always think the same thing.

What people ALWAYS forget in this situation is that whether TO is a role model, an innocent person who ran his mouth, a Non-criminal...whatever, HE'S STILL AN EMPLOYEE. If I did the shit that he did, I'd be shown the door too. THis isn't politics. This isn't racism. And... this isn't rocket science. He acted like a jackass and his employer got sick of it, end of story. The same rationale would apply if he worked at Nordstroms.

[GOPBasher]

54. I've been an NFL football fan for 18 years, since I was 10.

So, your criticism does not apply to me. I still hate Terrell, and I think he's a spoiled, arrogant, rich bastard who doesn't deserve his money. McNabb has handled this with class and dignity. Plus, whoever is at fault, why the hell would Jackson give a shit about this? I think he has much more important things to think about.

[friesianrider]

7. TO-bashers sound like the Republicans after Clinton....

But, what will we tell the CHILDREN!? *clutch your heart here* :eyes:

For Christ's sake. The man is a fucking football player, not a role model. 99.9% of professional athletes will never, ever be role models. Get over it. If anything, the friggin' President (Clinton) was more of a role model than Terrell, and how many times do Dems defend Clinton because he was there to run the country not be husband of the year? Clinton did the job he was there to do well, and that's what mattered. Terrell did the job he was there to do well, and that is to catch footballs and make big plays - and he has always done that job well. And quite remarkably, I might add. Can't say the same for McNabb, unless you count making big plays for the OPPOSING team.

I hope it will be worth the 6 and 10 record we'll likely have come January.

[anti_shrub]

9. Oh my

Suddenly TO is equal to Bill Clinton?

Football is a team sport, TO is not a team player. No one person, not even Terrell H. Owens can win a game by himself.

The Eagles were probably doomed to a subpar season due to Donovan continuing to play hurt rather than taking the time to heal himself.

[friesianrider]

12. Did I say TO was equal to Bill Clinton?

Don't think I did. What I was taking issue with the OP's comments about TO lacking in class, as a role model, etc. That's what I compared to the GOP bitching about Clinton being a poor role model. In the football setting Terrell was in, I will judge him on the job he does on the field, not what his personality shortcomings may or may not be. How many football players beat their wives, cheat on their wives, do drugs, drive drunk, or hire high-class prostitutes? If mouthing off is the worst thing Terrell does (or parks in the wrong parking spot...my lord, is it that big of a deal?), then he still has way more morals than most of the NFL.

Although I do wholeheartedly agree with you that the Eagles were doomed because of McNabb's injury. Hopefully, now he will get the treatment he needs, and with a speedy recovery he may be back in a few weeks (not that it will matter much unfortunately!).

[WeRQ4U]

15. You're missing the point here.

Just like you or I, TO is an employee. The same basic rules of employment apply, even to football players. He may NOT be as bad as many other players in the NFL. He may be a choirboy at home, unlike Ray Lewis, Leonard LIttle etc. But he's a dickhead while he's at work. And THAT'S how you get fired.

If I get a DUI while out on a friday night, or if I beat up my wife during a football game, I'm not going to get fired, necessarily. However, if I come in to work, pick fights with my coworkers, get into a shouting match with my manager, and tell the company executives that they don't know what they're doing......I'm pretty sure I'm going to get my ass fired.

Same thing goes for TO.

[friesianrider]

16. I think perhaps you are...I'm not addressing the termination.

The OP made comments about Terrell's moral character and something about him not being a good "role model" for kids. I understand what you are saying, but I was only pointing out that that is NOT part of his job requirement.

[Wetzelbill]

24. when T.O. steps on a field he goes all out

that's what matters. If a teammate likes to talk a lot in the media then let him talk and just keep doing your thing. It's not like he ever tried to hide who he is. Everybody knows that T.O. runs his mouth a lot, so what? The Eagles arent't even acting like professionals about this. They created a mountain out of a molehill.

If McNabb is playing when he's injured than that's not being a team player. If he's hurting the team then, it's time to sit down and recover. There is a big difference between playing hurt and being injured. You can play hurt, but if you're injured then you're doing more harm than good.

[BulletproofLandshark]

10. The Eagles were successful long before T.O. came to town

And they will be again, if not this season. I'd worry more about your team having a glorified third-down back as your franchise runner. THAT'S what's killing the Eagles this year,a lack of balance on offense.

[friesianrider]

13. I'm sure they will be successful again...

This season will be difficult, but it isn't impossible that we could get in as a wild card.

Nonetheless, McNabb's poor decisions and his injury was hurting the entire team more than any other factor, so hopefully now he will get the medical attention he needs and get healthy again. The Dallas game was just so disappointing because except for that one play, McNabb played really pretty impressively.

[Telly Savalas]

11. There was a thread on this in GD yesterday.

Somebody there posited that maybe the reason Jesse Jackson is speaking out is because T.O. is on his fantasy football team.

Sounds plausible to me.

[Err]

17. When you are a sports star, you're automatically a role model...

whether you want to be or not.

I agree with what you have to say, GOPBasher.

[lazarus]

20. Yeah

Imagine someone being an asshole. Punish him. Take away his millions (that he earned) because he's such a horrible person.

After all, he does drugs, gets in fights, beats up women, all sorts of things.

Wait, you mean he was just disrespectful about his quarterback, who may or may not be a malingerer? For this a man's career should be ruined?

I'm amazed at the negativity I see exhibited towards athletes who aren't perfect. It always seems to focus on how much money they make, as if the money is supposed to purify them or something. They're human, just like the rest of us.

[Robeson]

21. I'm tired of the whole T.O. vs. McNabb thing, or who is coming to the...

...aid of whom. What I'd like to know, is why is ANDY REID not being held accountable for the piss-poor play calling in the final 3 minutes of that game? A pass on 2nd and 7 when you are trying to run the clock out, AND/OR force Dallas to burn some time-outs! WTF! And it was a sideline pass no less. Hell, even if it had been completed, the receiver would have probably been ran out-of-bounds, which would stop the clock. Again, the last thing the Eagles should have wanted. I put that game on the coaching, and coaching only.

[Wetzelbill]

26. piss-poor play calling in general

something is wrong if your team never, ever runs the ball. Especially when you have a decent back who is more than capable of doing his job. Something is rotten with the Eagles anyway and it's a lot worse than the whole T.O. situation.

[Wetzelbill]

27. if they were winning and T.O. was talking

which he always does, then nobody would even notice.

[sendero]

29. Folks here who work in a job..

... and think TO is getting such a raw deal might I suggest this.

Talk shit to your co-workers continually and create a "hostile working environment". Tell your boss off whenever you want. Act like a douchebag at every single opportunity.

See how long you have your fucking job. I don't care HOW EFFING WELL YOU DO IT, there are limits.

Sorry, I don't think that because you can catch a football or swing a tennis racket or what the fuck ever, you suddenly are king of the fucking world. It don't work like that.

[LynneSin]

31. Thank you for summing it up best

I would be walked out the door if I started pulling a TO at work. And if Reid doesn't put his foot down for this then there will be new generations of "TO"s out there demanding crap and creating hostile enviroments just because they they can.

I'm with Andy and the Eagles on this. I work at a place where we are all overwhelmingly Eagles fans and there isn't one person that wishes TO were back.

[kick-ass-bob]

44. Almost the best: they forgot the Eagles guilt in this

they knew what he was like, and they ignored it and signed him anyways. Andy Reid botched the handling of TO even worse than San Fran did.

Am I on TO's side? No. He made his bed. He needs to lie in it.

But the Eagles share a part in this fiasco. Remember when Keyshawn was a huge problem? Not anymore, because he has a coach that knows what to do with players like that, which Andy Reid has shown that he cannot.

[Maat]

57. Now, that you mention it - Keyshawn isn't a PITA anymore ..

WHY is that? Just a 47-year-old mom asking. I forgot who Keyshawn plays for now.

[Brewman_Jax]

32. The short answer

even the people we like least and make everyone angry are entitled to their rights.

[ProfessorGAC]

34. Which Rights Are You Talking About?

Pennsylvania is an employment-at-will state. There need to no hearing in court to dismiss an employee. Sorry, but no civil rights are being violated here.
The Professor

[Brewman_Jax]

35. That's the point

he's not being dismissed and released. He's basically being paid to watch soap operas for the rest of the season because the Eagles are pissed at him. I don't know what employer would keep a problem employee any longer than necessary.

I'm disappointed, Professor. This isn't one of your usual well-reasoned statements. You don't normally jump on the bandwagon. :shrug:

[ProfessorGAC]

37. What Bandwagon?

I didn't say a word about T.O. All i said was that this isn't a civil rights issue. It's a dispute between a contractor and the payor. That's it. I just don't agree that there are any rights being violated by either side.
The Professor

[Brewman_Jax]

41. I see your point

but we'll just have to disagree on this one.

[GOPBasher]

53. Of course he's entitled to his civil rights.

However, what the Eagles are doing is well within the law. They can suspend him for four games without pay, according to NFL rules, which is what they're doing. After that, they'll still pay him; he'll just be benched. They can do that if they want. That's not a violation of his rights.

[AngryAmish]

45. I just applaud TO for the quiet dignity he has displayed through all this

[MadHound]

48. I have no idea why Jackson is doing this

But I say good on the Eagles for cutting TO. If the man wants to be an ass in the privacy of his own home, fine. But to sow discord and disharmony amongst the team is breaking the rules in any team sport. And that is followed closely by acting like an ass in the media spotlight when you are a representative of the team.

And quite frankly, I truly hope that no team in the NFL picks up TO, that he is forced to play arena ball, or Canadian ball, perhaps he will learn some humility then. I'm sick and tired of these multi millionaires whining about cash, especially in a supposedly blue collar sport like football. The man signed a contract, and whether he likes it or not, he should either leave or live up to it. But incessantly whining about it, to the point of distracting the team is simply wrong.

If you or I were to pull these type of stunts at our jobs, we would most likely be shown the door. I'm glad to see the Eagles have the courage enough to do the same to TO. And frankly, I think that the Eagles will rebound from this debacle better than ever. And I'm hoping that TO just dries up and blows away.

[GOPBasher]

52. Thank you.

Man, people in here are chastising me. I don't get it. Terrell's a jerk. Yes, he's a phenomenal receiver. He's still a jerk who doesn't deserve the money he makes.

[GalleryGod]

51. DU Eagles SEASON Ticket holders: Roll Call Check-In !

Gallerygod :smoke: and NightnurseO8)

We just want to hear from the folks who plunked down 10 large for PSL's... and how they feel about this tempest ??:banghead:

[GalleryGod]

59. Apparently, there's my ANSWER !

My wife and I are the only two SEASON ticketholders with PSL's out of 80,000 DUers :smoke:

I'm not surprised.

[Patiod]

58. this is about more than trash-talking

He's an active antagonist in the locker room, to his teamates and coaches. He told Andy Reid that the offensive coordinator was not to speak to him unless TO spoke first. How to you run a team like that?

Not that the Eagles didn't know what they were getting into..