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DarkPhenyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 10:47 PM
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Women folk please explain.
I am a single guy with a female roommate. Her boyfriend and I were sitting downstairs with the husband of married firend and suddenly I find both women downstairs "kidnapping" their men folk to go to bed. It isn't like we were watching porn or something. All we were doing was listening to music, and discussing politics. Yet, all the sudden, guy time is broken up and I'm left talking to myself. What the fuck over?

Men, please tell me what happened? Guy time gone? Yes dear, I'm tired too?
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MaryBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 10:51 PM
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1. Looks like
they preferred their women's company. I wonder why.
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DarkPhenyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 10:58 PM
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3. We rarely do "guy time".
In fact this is the only time the three of us have gotten together and just "hung". Shit! I still don't get it. It isn't like they don't spend the other 29 days a month in the "female company".
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KCDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 10:52 PM
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2. no wonder you're single!
:hi:

Hey man, if you can't understand why a woman would pull her man aside at nighttime, well.... :shrug:

Women have needs, too. And face it, when we're wanting some, ahem, attention, we could care less what you and your male friends are listening to.
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DarkPhenyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 10:59 PM
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4. I understand that.
what I don't really get is why they went. Please reference my other post abut the frequency of "guy time" in this group.
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 11:12 PM
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6. Personally,
I think they were rude. You could have done a group activity. Am I to assume that the married couple went home, or do they live there too? Also, what time was it? If it was after midnight, this was understandable, unless all are nightowls. Otherwise, I stand by my original assessment.
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DarkPhenyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 11:14 PM
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7. The married couple stayed over.
I've known her since before high-school, and have know her hubby almost as long as she has.

It was before midnight here, but we had already played a board game as a group.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 09:07 AM
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14. Nahhhh
My hunkmeister and I are renown for having "F*** Breaks." What can I say? When the spirit moves ya . . .

Besides, our friends KNOW how we are and have actually come to expect it from us.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 11:56 AM
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18. I think they were rude too.
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DarkPhenyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 11:10 PM
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5. BTW...
...gee, thanks. I feel so much better about myself now. :evilfrown:
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KCDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 11:45 PM
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9. Hey hon, didn't mean to be rude!
Edited on Sat Jul-26-03 11:46 PM by KCDem
Just going for humor.... guess it didn't come thru. :(

(hell, you can make fun of me, too... 11:44 and on DU!)

If you were having a rare GNO, then yes, it was rude of them. Next time, either send them out, or go somewhere. And forget your cells. Time with same-gendered friends is very important.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 11:39 PM
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8. As a single female, I'm afraid I can't help you much there,
sorry!
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JewelDigger Donating Member (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 12:18 AM
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10. It was a 'control thingy' .....
...they wanted to know...and they wanted their guys to know, and they wanted YOU to know....that they're FIRST. I don't agree w/that idea, but IMHO that's what was goin' on there.
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morningglory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 07:48 AM
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11. Old married fart here...
Spouses who sleep in the same bed like to go to bed at the same time, to prevent the disturbance when the other piles into the bed. Also, it is fun to snuggle up spoon-fashion.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 08:51 AM
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12. Sounds like everyone was bored actually...
no biggie.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 09:06 AM
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13. Um, well
the "women folk" got horny and I know few "men folk" who would turn down a passionate evening with the one they love.

This was difficult?????
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 10:52 AM
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15. it was rude to break up guy time
nothing I hate more (well, maybe) than clinging females who can't do some things on their own whilst their mate meets up with friends. :evilfrown:

geez.....
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 11:06 AM
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16. Maybe I read the original post incorrectly
I missed the part about "clinging females." I interpreted the post differently.
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 06:33 PM
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22. Nah.......
you didn't.....I'm just being ornery. :evilgrin:

I still think the menfolk needed some time alone though. :)
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Blue_Chill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 11:38 AM
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17. Well two possible reasons
1- It was time for a little night time fun.

2- Typical anti-guy time female behavior. Remember they can't mold us into the perfect mate if we keep hanging out with our cave man friends.

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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 12:02 PM
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19. WTF?
These women can't go to bed by themselves? They need help? They're scared?

That's never been an issue in my house. I can find the bed all by myself. If hubby wants to stay up all night yammering with his friends, it's fine by me.

MzPip
:dem:
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jmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 12:04 PM
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20. When the guy time planned?


If you had made specific plans to hang out with just the guys then I could understand you being upset but from what I can see it looks like they just wanted to spend some time alone with their men.
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phgnome Donating Member (375 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 05:43 PM
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21. Reptilian Brain Fuelled by Media
It's a reptilian backbrain thing ... the females taking the males to bed. It's about family structure and it's fuelled by the media.

What is interpreted as the "clingly female" is the female's evolutionary tendancy to maintain family order. Nature played a cruel joke on all of us. Humans are hard-wired, based on their gender, to maintain genetic diversity.

Generally speaking:
Men's brains are wired to mate with as many females as possible -- it will do it whether or not the male is conscious of it. Female brains are wired to mate with one male, raise children and maintain the family unit -- the female brain will do everything, without the female ever being conscious of it.

Whether or not they have children is completely irrelevant because we are talking about this one function that's a part of the brains that has evolved to ensure a genetic balance in the population. It's a biochemical reaction. Nothing more, nothing less. It has nothing to do with the personal character traits of any persons involved in the interaction.

Why the hard-wired conflicts between genders are fuelled by the media:

WHY: the constant struggle between the sexes generate economic activity. The media can play on the reptilian-brain driven female to sell more cosmetics, clothing, lingerie, services (hairdressers, divorce lawyers, etc.). It plays in the male reptilian brain with coining phrases such as GNO to sell more beer, gas, restaurant food, clothes, cars, ATM charges, etc. This is accomplished by challenging your view of your own "independence". It likes to make men feel like less of men because it labels them as "pussy whipped" and stigmatizes them as somehow inferior (have you noticed that advertising targets poorer demographics and really pumps GNO to the average working class?). It also plays the female because advertisers like to turn it around and make females believe that they are somehow less of a woman because their men are going to bars and looking at girls (which may not even be a true reflection of the guy's night out with guys). It embeds distrust on the female end and the feeling of "ball-and-chain" on the male end -- so that the two feed into each other to break bonds. Then, they use programming and advertising to show females images of what the "perfect guy" would be like (i.e. catering to the female emotional needs and will always be by her side), an reinforcing the notion that the man the female is with is not the right man. The woman will buy into it because her reptilian brain pushes her towards attaining the family structure. It's a stupid chain of events that advertisers lead people down while capitalizing off the misery of both genders (men feel oppressed because of the "clingy female" and the female feels unfulfilled -- and will try her best to shake off that feeling by buying clothes, cars, make-up, plastic surgery, etc. Divide and conquer -- and the advertisers win. GDP might rise, lots of monetary transactions but also lots of broken families and lonely people at the end of the day.

It influences everything -- everything from political views, to how you will likely vote, to your consumption patterns to the judicial and correctional system, to your likelihood of joining the military. The more "independent" you are, the more you will likely consume. The distorted view they give you on television is so far from the truth, it's not even funny -- not funny because it's a self-fulfilling prophecy of decaying family structure and increase in duplicate consumption. The "clingy female" tendancy (this tendancy goes really far back and it has to do with the human tendancy towards civilization) is the social component that binds the family together (there are other "male" tendancies that occur, too, with the GNO phenomenon that directly impact economics and their respective ripple effect but it's too long to get into here).

In your case, perhaps the females will feel better if you brought a date. Don't have a date, you say. Find a female friend that you know is unattached (and you dig). Just go up to her and tell her that you are going out with a couple of friends who are couples but it makes you feel out of place and if she'd like to be your date so you won't feel funny. There will be a ~90% chance that she will go because everyone (guy or girl) knows what it's like to go out with a bunch of people and they're all couples and you're the odd man out AND she won't worry about whether or not you may be a guy with malicious intentions because there will be other people there for that difficult first date. It doesn't make it too obvious that you like her (but it gives her a signal that you might like her) and it doesn't sound cheesy. And if either one of you find that you don't like each other, you can always play it like it was a platonic thing afterwards. AND, there isn't that uncomfortable first date awkwardness. Take it from me, it really works.
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SOteric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 06:48 PM
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23. Wow. That's a load of crap.
Any Physical Anthropologist worth their salt will produce any number of theories as to how it is far more the advantage of the both the female and her mate for the female to have more than one mate, thus optimising her chances of producing viable offspring. And at the same time it is more of an evolutionary advantage of a male to have only one, 'exclusive' mate, thus optimising the chances that any offspring produced is actually his.

All of this is so much speculation, however, as no part of medical science has more than a few remote kinds of clues as to how the human brain is wired, hard, soft or otherwise.

Though you didn't cite any sources, I'll cite mine. You may research the works of Dr. Elizabeth Loftus, a clinical psychologist regarding the alleged 'workings of the human brain and gender roles in physiology.' And you could benefit from a peek at Physical Anthropology by Philip L. Stein and Bruce M. Rowe, McGraw-Hill publishers.
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phgnome Donating Member (375 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 08:30 PM
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29. A Series of Monogamous Relationships
I won't pretend I'm an anthropologist or have some fancy medical degree (I'm just going on the information I work with everyday in the marketing industry). I define "hard-wired" and "soft-wired" by the amount of social conditioning it would take to undo the tendancies towards a certain behavior. For all intents and purposes, it is hard-wired because the behavior is re-inforced through the media so many times. It would take a few generations to undo all of this because we've gone through many generations of capitalism and expansion. The more it's reinforced, the more divorce rates rise over time.

But, in working with the male need to ensure that the child is his, he is encouraged (by the media) to enter into a series of monogamous relationships. As he finishes bearing children with one woman, he will be encouraged to look around for another younger mate and enter into a "monogamous" relationship with her to ensure the offspring the younger mate produces is his, as well. Yes, in the short term, he will ensure that any offspring produced in the relationship is his but, in the long-term, the media is encouraging him to replay his youth and sow his seeds in another short-term monogamous relationship, until a few children are born.

And how do you figure it's a "load of crap"? It makes sense that the industries generate more economic activity from the split of the family structure. The land developer, lawyer, real estate agent, car manufacturer, toiletries manufacturer, textile company, plastic surgeon, private school, a commercial brewer, etc. -- they all would want families to split, couples to split. If I earned my living from one of these industries, I'd love nothing more than for one of them to have an extramarital affair and have them call it quits. A split translates directly into business. It happens because we're not an efficiency-driven system that exists to conserve resources -- we are a profit-driven system that exists to maximize consumption (because our profitable markets are now saturated with competitors and our mass production processes are able to produce more).

Have you ever noticed that nomatter where you turn, they all reinforce the same messages. The messages can change but they will all work together to reinforce the same things (making certain behavior "trendy" and labelling it the social norm du jour). Have you noticed that when people break up or leave a marriage, it happens en masse -- a large group just suddenly does it all at the same time? Go to your nearest stats bureau and look it up the next time you see a lot of people around you leaving relationships. And, everyone who's left a relationship gets back together all at once, too (I have no numbers to back this up but I've noticed it numerous times). It always involves a group that consumes a lot of television.

The problem we have in our society is that we push females one way and males another way so that there is a constant struggle between the two. The system makes laws so that one may file suit against another if one commits "adultery". While the two are fighting over who gets what, a sizeable chunk of the assets are taken in legal fees and other fees along the way. Get the emotions involved into it and turn it into a legal/economic battle fuelled by spite. Can get pretty expensive because, at that point, many people will turn to the legal system (and have lawyers) only to spend lots of money to fight about stupid, trivial things.

It is socially acceptable behavior that isn't driven by traditional factors of motivation -- it's driven entirely by economics but humans are adaptable and can lean either way, but it takes time to change the culture of a society.

I'm not saying whether it's right or wrong and that we should have a "wholesome" nuclear-family society. I'm just saying that we're all being played.

Me, I can't hang out with members of my own gender for too long -- I find my own gender more stupid and less capable of semi-intelligent conversation. I hate GNO -- it's boring for me and I gave up on it about 5 years ago. I found that I was doing it because it was socially expected of me.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 06:54 PM
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24. It's Her Boyfriend, Not Yours
I've roomed with plenty of men and women.

When my male roommates brought new girlfriends home, their attitude was "look, I brought home someone new for you to hang out with!"

When my female roommates brought guys home, the attitude was "mine mine mine."

Now, you being a guy, I doubt your girl is going to be as possessive about it as mine were (unless you're gay). But I'm still not surprised. We women like to think of ourselves as the main attraction.
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phgnome Donating Member (375 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 05:29 PM
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25. Females conditioned to hide their "possessiveness"
And therefore not talk about it to each other -- much like a way a guy wouldn't talk about the insecurities they have with various social gauges of masculinity.
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 06:15 PM
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26. Uh, the guys could have said no.
How much of a fight did these guys put up?

If they put up none, then, I imagine it was nookie time--sorry you got left out!

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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 06:19 PM
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27. Hesitate to guess about people I don't know
but it sounds like a combo of regular bed time and control thing going on.

Me, I don't mind. If people are having a good time, I tell them to stay up even if I'm off to dreamland.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 06:27 PM
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28. Just a suggestion
maybe make time for a regular "guys night out"? The girls could do the same.

That way you get uninterrupted time together and everybody understands the expectations.
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