Jesus Christ; DU has lost it's little Cyber mind

[Thtwudbeme]

There wasn't a damn thing in that speech to get that worked up over.

And as far as Cindy Sheehan is concerned...when one gets invited to a SOTU address---and I don't give a flying rat's ass if Satan himself is speaking....one needs to dress fucking appropriately.

She looked tacky. Not tacky enough to be arrested...but, tacky nonetheless.

Stephanie

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. Okay.

:popcorn:

[Thtwudbeme]

2. Dude, you don't need popcorn. It's pretty fucking simple

you don't wear cutoff jeans to an Episcopalian Church on Easter or Christmas...and you don't wear a t-shirt to a formal speech.

Christ, how hard is that?

[Left Is Write]

4. But should you be arrested and charged with civil disobedience for it?

That, according to GD, is what happened.

[Thtwudbeme]

7. No. But she should have been told there was a dress code.

Actually, I would like to think that she would have understoood there to be a dress code.

[BikeWriter]

37. #### THAT!

[JVS]

59. Is civil disobediance technically a crime?

[Floogeldy]

20. It's all about clothing, eh?

[Montauk6]

24. I'm just curious, why can't you wear cutoff jeans to an Episcopalian

Church anyway? Aren't we all (if you accept the afterlife story) going to be buck naked when we cross over to see the Good Lord Jesus?

[RevCheesehead]

30. Eeeewwww... talk about intimidation!

Now if you're speaking metaphorically, I'll buy that. :)

[JVS]

53. Christians will be robed in Christ's righteousness, only the heathens...

will be naked.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

55. Well you won't get arrested

[imperialismispasse]

60. You can.

I've seen people wear everything to an Episcopal church. Never seen anyone turned away. And you definitely won't get arrested for it.

[LostinVA]

77. I've seen them at Catholic Mass before

[BikeWriter]

34. Uh, I don't?

[Lars39]

83. WWJW?

What would Jesus wear?

[JVS]

6. pass some over here

:popcorn:

[Maddy McCall]

3. I agree on both points.

She could have made a tremendously positive impact after the speech, because the media would have wanted to interview her. At that time, she could have said all that she wanted (hopefully leaving Chavez out of it).

Instead...she gets arrested and makes zero impact.

The speech was nothing extraordinary.

[Thtwudbeme]

8. Yep. Now everyone is going to be talking about tacky t-shirts instead of

a very valid statement she COULD have made.

Lord have mercy. I should go to bed.

[GOPisEvil]

5. Oh you know DU by now. Over-reactions to everything.

It's as predictable as the sunrise.

[Thtwudbeme]

9. I think the sheer number of people took me by surprise this time

DU has never been this big on SOTU night before---usually it's just WillPitt typing with about 1,000 people responding "Yeah!"

Oh well.

[GOPisEvil]

10. If it's not one thing, it's another.

You can cut the drama with a chainsaw around here sometimes.

[KitchenWitch]

12. I think that, coming off the Alito thing

DU is still busy.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

58. Dude, you crack me up...And you're not wrong.

[Midlodemocrat]

68. WHO'S OVERREACTING???? WHO????

:hide:

[Dash_Pennystone]

11. AMEN

SUGAR.

AMEN.

[Floogeldy]

26. Who did you vote for in the last presidential election?

:)

[Floogeldy]

29. Rest in turmoil.

FREEPER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[54anickel]

13. Well, I suppose she could have fit in a shopping spree in the 2 hours

advanced knowledge she had that she was even going. Then again, she'd have to leave her fellow protesters on their own just as the crowds were showing up. I thought she was originally there as part of a larger, organized protest. Then Woolsey invited her and gave he the pass to get in. Pretty sure the article said the invite came about 2 hours before the SOTU.

[balzac]

14. Her T-Shirt was under an outer garmet

http://www.michaelmoore.com/

I'm glad Cindy didn't gussie up for that abomination-in-chief and I'm glad she got arrested as well.

BTW, the T-Shirt had a purpose. It had the number of American troops killed in Iraq. She did have an effect, as a result of her arrest. Bush had the mother of a slain soldier arrested because he couldn't face her in front of the nation. It reinforces his reputation as a coward.

One other point. Hugo Chavez rocks. He's the best political leader in the Americas. Evo Morales is looking really good himself. If only we had a Democrat like Hugo Chavez or Evo Morales.

I guess our tough Democrats get shot down by 'friendly fire' probably not much different from your petty criticisms of Cindy Sheehan.

[KitchenWitch]

15. Why are you glad she got arrested

Granted, I think she probably should not have worn the t-shirt, but she also should be able to express herself.

Do you like the erosion of our civil liberties?

[balzac]

17. Cindy's arrest reinforces Bush's reputation for cowardice

[KitchenWitch]

18. Okay, that is fair

Sorry to get so snarky...I get really angry watching our constitutional and civil rights being unceremoniously flushed down the toilet.

[Wordie]

23. Welcome to DU, balzac.

:hi:

[balzac]

25. Thank you

:)

[More Than A Feeling]

16. The "directing our children in love" bits were downright hilarious

I don't know what the fuck he thought he meant by that...:rofl:

[FuzzySlippers]

22. "Directing our children in love" or "abstinence only"?

I wish he would make up his mind!

:rofl:

[democracyindanger]

19. Whoooosh.

Right over your head.

[Floogeldy]

21. Si`

[Blue_Tires]

39. +1

[tuvor]

27. I came to the Lounge to avoid posts like this one.

Is nothing sacred?!?!?!

[Ladyhawk]

31. Um, I agree with tuvor.

It was bad enough when I read all your posts in GD, dude. That's why I came here...and here you are, starting another one in the Lounge. Why did you feel it was necessary after your "melodrama" post in GD to come in here and rant some more? I just don't understand. Haven't you ranted in enough forums tonight?

On edit: I was talking to the original poster, not you, tuvor. I get ticked when people bring their poison into the lounge.

[tuvor]

38. That's understood, LH.

Me smart for boy. ;)

[Robeson]

32. Agree 110%.

[Ladyhawk]

33. Agree 120%. n/t

[Heidi]

28. Could you post an example of the tackiness threshhold

which _would_ merit arrest, in your opinion?

[Robeson]

35. That's your opinion. Is George Bush sacred? Are the crooks in Congress..

...sacred? Are we now at the point of Byzantine ceramonial attire? And anything less is "unacceptable"? And incidentally, why do you think George Bush should be shown respect?

[Fleshdancer]

36. Well duh! That's the whole point of having the Fashion Police

I'm pretty sure I pay taxes so that the Fashion Police can protect me from ugly outfits. Without fashion order, our society would, like, crumble and stuff. How do we expect to have a strong union and to defeat all those evil doers when there are Americans out there choosing to dress sloppy? What kind of message does that send to that Osama guy?

Sincerely,
Jenna Bush

[Borgnine]

40. While I'm not going to agree or disagree with you...

...I usually turn to DU when I need comfort. Right now it's impossible to find comfort in these cyber halls. With Alito, the State of the Union, the Cindy business... it's reached meltdown status here and you can't sneeze without getting castrated.

Hell, I'm going to get castrated just for posting this, so I do believe I'll slink away quietly...

[BikeWriter]

41. Fuck 'em, feed 'em fish heads. This Viet-Vet wears T-shirts everywhere...

Several say:
"Viet-Nam
Class of 1968"

[Heidi]

42. Right on.

:hug: In my opinion, folks ought only be concerned about what they themselves wear and leave others the hell alone. :thumbsup:

[Robeson]

43. Right On!! Respect is earned, not given......

...:thumbsup:

[enigmatic]

44. I'm down w/ that

She can wear whatever the hell she wants, period.

[auntAgonist]

45. I agree!!

I admire Cindy for the work she does. But geez o'petes ... You said it :)


:hug:

[grace0418]

46. Well just so you know, this is a quote from someone on

the scene:

"And for anyone who thinks Cindy did ANYTHING to provoke this ridiculous act, I can assure you that she wore the same shirt she had been wearing all day--for her prebuttal--and that it was a last minute opportunity to go inside the chambers; she did not particularly want to do it, and did not decide until about 7:45 to do so.

She did not even think about what she was wearing, since she'd been in it all day long."

[RoyGBiv]

47. Tacky!?!?!?

I can't sleep because I know a person is sitting in a DC jail as a political prisoner in the United Fucking States of Fucking America, so I get up and wander in here to try to detox from this garbage, and THIS is the first thread in line.

Holy, shit, Houston, we have a major fucking problem. We are through the looking glass. Up is now down.

When one who had been planning a protest against the SOTU address suddenly gets a last-minute invite to that address when one is already there and hasn't even been able to make a decision about whether one should attend said address until 15 minutes before it was supposed to start then decides to do so, one does not go shopping at The Gap for a proper outfit. One wears what one has and attempts to make it "respectable" with what clothing is available.

What in the HELL is this? Her choice of clothing was tacky? Geezus, lord, god. Where the hell am I?

[jus_the_facts]

48. hell is where we dwell....

:nopity:

[Robeson]

49. I agree Roy. It is a World turned upside down.....

...the conditioning that has occurred since Reagan, has seemed to have affected both sides of the aisle. We're now supposed to show "accepted" decorum. Dissent is "unseemly". If we keep going along this road, we'll be prostrating ourselves before the Emperor - uh President - before too long.

[SammyWinstonJack]

67. Yea!

:applause:

[grace0418]

73. Couldn't agree with you more. It's a sorry state of affairs when

someone as committed and sincere as Cindy is getting vilified even by liberals. Even if she HAD planned all this out and done everything she was accused of doing in the msm, she doesn't deserve this. She should be getting a fucking medal for having the guts to do what most people wouldn't dare. Instead she gets a beatdown on a fucking liberal forum.

I feel the same way as you RoyGBiv (are you a graphic designer or artist, btw? I'm basing that on your screen name), that the world has gone completely mad.

[DainBramaged]

50. What speech? Who spoke? Someone of importance?

Yackyackyack. Ackackack. Did it make a difference? Promises made just to be broken at the speed of sound. Gobblegobblegobble, gobbledegook all over again. Lies to be forgotten by today. The world no longer listens. The Nielson's don't lie. No one home, light's are out. Empty drawer. Tool box missing a few razor blades. Loaf missing a few bricks. Elevator doesn't go to the roof. Where the sun never shown before.

[Robeson]

52. You've nailed it.....

...:toast:

[jonnyblitz]

51. wow you posted this most idiotic thread in two forums?!?!

damn.

[LynneSin]

54. Ok, here's what pisses me off about the arrest ('Looters' vs. 'Finders')

I've now read that another woman showed up with a "Support Your Troops" tee-shirt on - the wife of a republican congressional reprsentative out of Florida.

She too was escorted out for innappropriate behavior but SHE WAS NOT ARRESTED

To me this is the difference between "Looters" and "Finders"



There's the reference to Looters vs. Finders

Both women did the same inappropriate behavior yet why was one treated like a "Looter" and thrown in jail while the other was treated as a "Finder" and just escorted out of the room?

[JVS]

56. Yeah, that sucks

The only reasonable explanation I can think of is that perhaps Cindy was more emotionally involved in the expression of her views and resisted being escorted away to a higher degree than the congressman's wife.

Of course, my idea is purely speculation and it might very well be the case that cindy got shafted because her "inappropriate attire" was "bad" and the other woman got of easy because her t-shirt was "patriotic"

[YellowRubberDuckie]

57. I couldn't agree more.

I'm sick of Cindy. I'm going to get flamed, but I really don't care. She's being counterproductive and making the anti-war movement look worse than it already does. I'm sorry she lost her son, but she has lost her grip on reality and she needs to get therapy. I know she's ya'll's hero, but I don't see anything redeeming in this woman for our side. She's making us all look stupid, and I'm sorry no one sees that.
Duckie

[Floogeldy]

61. Interesting feelings and conclusions

Now, are there any reasons why you feel and believe this way?

[YellowRubberDuckie]

64. I read the news and when she's in it, I usually read the article...

And just the things I've read and the things I've seen have led me to that conclusion. No spin. That's the reason. Period.
Duckie

[Floogeldy]

66. Okay

I have no idea what "things" you are referring to.

I guess you don't really want to talk about it.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

70. Newspaper articles, the things said here at DU, her appearances...

Something just feels off to me. It's not that I don't want to talk about it, it's just that i tend to try to avoid talking about her because people tend to over react around here. Especially when it comes to Cindy Sheehan.
Duckie

[TallahasseeGrannie]

63. When I read her version of the events

it sounds to me like she is being over "handled." Like her people tell her go here, go there, etc. I don't like the way her shining light is being fragmented.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

69. She's letting it happen.

And why does she have a handler in the first place? Doesn't that take away from the supposed innocence and goodness this woman's actions are supposed to convey?
Duckie

[TallahasseeGrannie]

62. From what I understand reading Cindy's version

somebody called out "protestor." or maybe it was "demonstrator."

So I don't think anyone was concerned that her shirt was tacky, but that she would somehow disrupt the procedures. I would assume somewhere there is a statute (there always is) that says no demonstrations during SOTU speeches.

I think they over-reacted. They should have just asked her to cover up the shirt and kept their eye on her. And there is no reason to rough up a middle-aged woman who is cooperating with you. That, I don't get.

[GalleryGod]

72. Read Cindy's Version on Truthout.com

Officer Michael Weight, shouted "Protestor!" then came after her,cuffed her...you can read it all.

[Omphaloskepsis]

65. Cindy Sheehan at a SOTU -- WTF -- Did this happen?

Beer has kept me occupied.

If she did wear an offensive tee she played into their hands perfectly. They didn't want her there. She got used. They wanted her to look out-of-place. They wanted the left to look stupid.

rove.use(cindy)

I'm to lazy to read so if I could get a quick run-down of what went on I would be thrilled..

[anarch]

71. well don't look at me...my intentions were clearly stated

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=105&topic_id=4674736&mesg_id=4674736

[jane_pippin]

74. I'd like to add my 2 cents on Cindy

I don't agree with everything she says or does. I don't agree with everything anybody says or does. But that doesn't mean I'm not going to support her right to say it. I think she's incredibly brave to speak out, stage her sit-ins (or whatever you want to call her protests), it doesn't bother me that she wore a t-shirt with a message, and if she'd have screen printed her message on a nice, "classy" business suit, I'd have been for that too.

She's one person using her anger and grief to try to bring about change. It might mean making some people uncomfortable from time to time. Good. This country could use that once in a while. It might even mean breaking some regulations like, oh, I don't know, a dress code rule or whatever it was. Whoop-de-fuckin'-do.

Which is the more important principle? Freedom of expression, or a following a dress code regulation? A dress code regulation? Seriously?! I mean, the rule was there and like everybody else, she should be subject to the consequences for breaking it. However, I see no need to get my panties in a twist over it being broken in the first place either. It won't make me support her rights any less. And, I didn't know not looking "tacky" was now a prerequisite to being able to practice free speech, or to use the right to protest the administration.

She's just one person doing what she thinks is right, and she's doing it peacefully to boot. I support her right to protest and speak out, just as I would hope my right to speak out would be supported.

[grace0418]

75. A-EFFING-MEN to that.

Great post.

[Floogeldy]

81. Hey, that was at least a nickel's worth.

Somebody owes you three cents! :)

[jane_pippin]

82. Ok, how about this--I put a quarter in the pot and use it as needed.

A Rant Bank with a balance of 20 cents. Lookout. :D

[grace0418]

76. Stephanie, you were a great help to me last week so

I want to be kind in my response to you. But I completely disagree with your post.

[Puglover]

79. After the way Stephanie handled

a newbie in a now deleted sub-thread (which was hilarious) I'ma skeered to say anything.

:scared:

But yeah, I come to the Lounge to get away from this shit.

[hippiechick]

78. Thank you.

:applause:

[Tyrone Slothrop]

80. Tackiness aside...

There's all this outrage towards the administration that she was removed from the speech.

However, I can almost guarantee that the same thing would have happened had some outspoken Republican shown up at one of Clinton's last SOTU wearing a T-shirt with slogans about BJ's/Monica/impeachment/etc. They would have been asked to leave as it is not appropriate for a formal televised speech and would have been seen as a potential disruption.

Regardless of one's personal feelings or politics, this was the President giving the SOTU. Democrats need to learn when and where to stage and fight their battles; the SOTU is not the time to be doing that. Immediately following the SOTU -- that's a different ballgame.

All this did was provide another illustration of an "out-of-touch", "crazed", "shrill" Democrat for Rove and the corporate media.

[grace0418]

84. Read Cindy's account before you judge.

She wasn't planning to do anything and in fact was asked to attend at the last minute. No battle was being staged or fought. She wore what she'd been wearing all day.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/020106Z.shtml#

But for what it's worth I completely disagree that the SOTU is a bad time. Part of the reason liberals are not gaining ground is that so many of us are afraid to get our hands dirty and really fight. Really say what needs to be said. It's not pretty, it's not convenient, it's not appropriate. It's real and raw and it wakes people up. If we allow Rove and the corporate media to distort the truth and portray her as an "out-of-touch", "crazed", "shrill" Democrat that's our fault for letting them.

[terrya]

85. Locking

Getting flamey in here.