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absyntheNsugar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 07:04 PM
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"King of the Hill" - NeoCon, Just Coneservative or Center-Left?
Anyone have any ideas on this? At times the show seems to be very NeoCon, with that recent skaters for Jesus episode - but other episodes show Hank practically worshipping Ann Richards...

So anyone who's a regular watcher have the inside scoop?
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 07:11 PM
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1. I think it's left center
Remember Hank is a big Willie Nelson fan:)
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 07:12 PM
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2. IMHO, they pretty much make fun of neo-Cons, but leave traditional
Conservatives alone. It is a bit confusing, but even I can tolerate traditional, Goldwater types. But neo-Cons, no effing way.

Actually, it does a pretty good job of aiming straight down the center; skewering political flakiness of all stripes.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 07:20 PM
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3. When Hank shook W's hand, he was horrified.
Bush had a limp handshake.

The entire episode was Hank coming to terms with the shock and disappointment. He nearly didn't vote. I don't believe we ever found out whom he did vote for.

Ann Richards has appeared as a character, with the real Ann Richards' voice. The character was generous, loving, and no fool.

My favorite episode, however, involved lutefisk, the Scandinavian delicacy and test of manhood.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 08:11 PM
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10. How to Eat Lutefisk
From "The Power of Lutefisk"

To understand the relationship between aquavit and lutefisk, here's an experiment you can do at home. In addition to aquavit, you will need a slice of lemon, a cracker, a dishtowel, ketchup, a piece of lettuce, some caviar, and a Kit-Kat candy bar.

1. Take a shot aquavit.
2. Take two. (They're small.)
3. Put a bit of caviar on a bit of lettuce.
4. Put the lettuce on a cracker.
5. Squeeze some lemon juice on the caviar.
6. Pour some ketchup on the Kit-Kat bar.
7. Tie the dishtowel around your eyes.


If you can taste the difference between caviar on a cracker and ketchup on a Kit-Kat while blindfolded, you have not had enough aquavit to be ready for lutefisk. Return to step one.

I always thought this was hilarious.

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jogi1969 Donating Member (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 10:15 PM
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26. that episode
proves that KoH
is NOT neo-con/paleo con
either variety would never EVER give up the faith
that dumbya is the annointed one
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 07:20 PM
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4. I think of Hank as old-fashioned conservative
the kind we used to have before the neocons hijacked the repubican party. Not a late-comer; will carefully consider a new idea/person/situation without thinking it's some big commie plot. Doesn't feel a need to impress anyone. Is reliable and loyal to his family. He reminds me of my Dad.

Peggy, being a sub-teacher, represents center-left to me. She's always out to learn something new and expose Hank and Bobbie to the postive aspects of it. :D

Bobby, well he's a little trannie-in-training ain't he? ;-)

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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 07:42 PM
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5. I think you nailed it.
I love the way Hank is always disillusioned by neo-Cons and their politics. Hank's the kinda folk we need to lure OUR way.
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NicoleM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 08:02 PM
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6. I vote center-left.
If it were neo-con, I wouldn't love it as much as I do.
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Breezy du Nord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 08:06 PM
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7. I think it's sort of a parody on redneck types
Isn't it?
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NicoleM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 08:09 PM
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8. I don't think so.
They don't just make fun of the characters. They treat them as real people. Goofy, animated people, but somehow real at the same time.
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Breezy du Nord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 08:16 PM
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12. Yes, i suppose you're right. I love Dale
And Bobby. Overall, it's a good show. Liked that one with the lutefisk, though. :) Have you ever had lutefisk? Man, that stuff is disgusting! :puke:
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SpaceCatMeetsMars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 10:55 AM
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34. Bobby and Dale are my favorites too! I loved the episode where
Bobby had to go to the military camp that his grandfather went to and Cotton showed up and put him in the torture box and Bobby outlasted Cotton's record in the box. They couldn't break Bobby's spirit because he refused to give up his comedy. That is great stuff.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 08:10 PM
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9. shrug
I don't know what Judge leans politically, I remember Beavis and Butthead, and I saw the movie, and Clinton wasn't presented in a negative light or positive. Personally I think King of the Hill may be a little conservative, :shrug:.
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soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 08:13 PM
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11. I can't imagine Kathy Najimy being associated with something
left of center. This is from the guy who did Beavis and Butthead, I never watched that, where did it fall on the politcal spectrum?
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 08:17 PM
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13. Whos Kathy Najimy?
I know not who she is or her politics. Beavis and Butthead? :shrug: I dont think there was any politics, they just wanted to score.
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Breezy du Nord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 08:18 PM
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15. Peggy
nt
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NicoleM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 08:18 PM
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14. Huh?
Kathy is a huge lefty:

http://kathynajimy.com/katbio.htm

"For her 15 years of AIDS activism, Najimy has been honored with the L.A. Shanti’s Founder award as well as the L.A. Gay and Lesbian Center's Distinguished Achievement award. She is an enthusiastic supporter of AIDS, women and animal rights, and Najimy has lent her support to a variety of worthy organizations that include: Project Angel Food, APLA, GLAAD, Human Rights Campaign Fund, Broadway Cares, Equity Fights AIDS, AMFAR, Planned Parenthood, Voters for Choice, and NARAL. As a proud Lebanese American Kathy has received awards from the ACC and The ADC and in May 2000, Kathy spoke at the HRCF’s Equality Rocks concert with Melissa Etheridge, Garth Brooks, and Chaka Kahn.

Kathy has posed twice for People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals popular campaign, “I’d Rather Go Naked Than Wear Fur,” and last fall, she received PETA’s Humanitarian of the Year Award from Paul McCartney."
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Breezy du Nord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 08:21 PM
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16. I read she's from Lebanon
Edited on Sat Dec-20-03 08:21 PM by breezygirl
I think... or was it Lithuania? No, it was Lebanon. That's kinda cool. I didn't know she was a leftist, though.

(Note: I assume "supporter of AIDS" means supporter of AIDS victims, eh?)
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 08:27 PM
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18. oh shes a lefty
I see said the stupid guy. How do you get Lithuania and Lebanon mixed up? :evilgrin:
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absyntheNsugar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 08:30 PM
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19. You know...one of those "L" countries
Lithuania...Latvia...Lebanon...Landover...Listerine...Lumber...Lutafisk

mmmmmmm.....pickled fish...
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 08:35 PM
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20. Bush got two S countries mixed up
Slovenia and Slovakia, guess who is part both of those, yours truly.
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Breezy du Nord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 08:37 PM
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21. Makes me think of a Bill Maher joke:
* said about Arnold Schwarzenegger "I'm not sure about the guy himself. I mean, how do you get a German accent coming from Australia?"

:)
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 08:47 PM
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23. heh
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NicoleM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 11:01 PM
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27. I think she's from California but
she is of Lebanese descent.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 08:22 PM
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17. That's what I always thought..
I wondered how she was doing, b/c I heard a couple of years ago she was diagnosed with cancer. She must have recovered.
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soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 09:38 PM
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24. Wow, I can't believe I wrote what I wrote, Kathy IS A MAJOR LEFTY
I meant right of center. Yeesh! I think I have Xmas dyslexia.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 09:39 AM
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33. Gotta admit, I noticed that, but I knew it was a boo-boo.
Good thing this wasn't GD!
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 08:44 PM
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22. My favorite Peggy line to her new ex-hooker lady friend:
"Of course it's easy to get a GED. Even somebody that didn't graduate from high school can get one of those."
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carpetbagger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 10:11 PM
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25. It has no spin. It merely reflects suburban Texas reality.
Hints on the show seem to place it in Central Texas (Mike Judge is from Austin, and the writers take regular trips to areas around there for inspiration). When the concept was developed, Garland, a suburb of Dallas, was the working model. The places that most remind me of Arlen are in fact the suburbs of Dallas.

Anglo-dominated suburbs of Dallas have no center-left, no democrats, no vocal dissidents. There are republicans and there are Republicans. And so it is in Arlen. There are Eisenhower/Connelly republicans (Hank, Bill Ratliff), moderately-conservative republicans (Peggy, Kay Hutchison), The Black Helicopter Caucus (Dale, Ron Paul), Goodhair People (Boomhauer, Rick Perry), and Yuppies (Kahn, Ken Lay). Bigots (Dick Armey) and Taliban (Tom Delay) are not as funny or sympathetic, and are thus underrepresented.

That having been said, the GOP needs to rack up these suburbs to carry the state. In an even election, these areas would probably break 2-1 or higher for the GOP. All it takes is Peggy and Kahn to win the elections statewide.
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 06:30 AM
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32. "The Black Helicopter Caucus"
lol :)
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durutti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 01:54 AM
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28. None of the above.
It's just a cartoon -- and not a stupid preachy one like South Park.
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He loved Big Brother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 04:13 AM
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29. In one episode
Hank finds out he was actually born in New York (I think it was NY?) and is not in fact a native Texan. So a Dumbya reference, and a funny one.
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 05:43 AM
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30. I see it as a great show
not easily categorized. Like others have pointed out, Hank is a good guy, a conservative, but not a neocon, and he's always striving for the best for his family.

He is the kind of voter the Dems need to get back, and can get back.

And that episode when the W's handshake was limp was hilarious!
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SideshowScott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 06:17 AM
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31. Who cares..I think that show is the best on televison
I do think Hank is a bit of Conservitive though..I remeber the ep where Hank drove thru Bill Clintons hometown and locked his doors in his car when he saw the sign " Home of Bill Clinton" But still its one of the best written shows on TV where the animated people act more real than thire real live sitcom counterparts.. Dale is a laugh riot and Bill the lovable loser is my fave
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 11:33 AM
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35. centrist "editorial" POV
but about a fringe neocon character in a neocon setting.

I wish they'd avoided politics and religion on the show. I used to love the show. Now I refuse to watch it.

The problem is that it makes the enemy look sympathetic.
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